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The image on the left 'Portrait of an English Setter' does not look like a pedigree to me. Please could an admin remove this image and / or replace it with an appropriate one?
I have over thirty years experience as a breeder and owner of English Setters and it is confusing how such a misguiding and unreprsentative image could have ever made it through the net to the front page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.123.211 ( talk) 17:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Moved from main page:
I have owned a English Setter and a Gordon Setter. In my experience both dogs has a similar nature, habitus and personality. My comments about the Gordon setter equally apply to the English setter.
how about a mention of field english setters versus the show setters? Novium 03:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
There are many unencyclopedic comments on the article with no sources. Most of these are just about acceptable, but the 'temperament' section is problematic. There is some duplicated information - Llewelyn settlers only need to be mentioned once. The stuff about DNA testing to tell the difference is interesting and could be expanded. The phrase "this is not a separate breed, they are however a completely separate and pure bloodline." is confusing and needs to be made clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanBealeCocks ( talk • contribs) 19:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if the Llewellin Setter article should be merged to the English Setter article? I do see the question was asked on the Llewellin talk page previously a few years ago.
There is already mention of the Llewellin within the English Setter article although that piece is lacking citations. It is also stated within the Llewellin article itself: "it is usually only considered a strain of English setter rather than a breed in its own right."
Also, within the only reference that is cited for Llewellin article (The Sporting Dog, Graham, 1904) it states: "They would as well go further and drop the 'pure' idea altogether, letting Llewellin blood stand for what it is - an influential but not separate element in English setter breeding."
Any thoughts on the suggestion of a merge? I have also posted this on the Llewellin setter talk page for comment/discussion.
Sagaciousphil ( talk) 17:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
I would like to express my thanks to SagaciousPhil who proposed this merge, awaited consensus, and carried it out with diligence. I think any controversial areas have been handled and the initial issues noted by cReep have been handled. Onwards and upwards, now. We can always have a better article, even if it reaches Featured Article status. What we have now is one that demonstrates the different, perhaps divergent, strains and the same starting point. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 18:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I added links (references) to the three popular strains of English Setters. It is always a debatable conversation among new and old breed owners. I would like to have this page reflect all sides and to this wonderful breed.
Adding links to the various color identifications will be an enhancement too. Wsjacob ( talk) 17:24, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing that out. Are links to organizations and breed specific clubs allowed or considered not reliable for editing purposes? For Example: [1] [2] [3] MayberrySetterZ ( talk) 17:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate your time and explanations. This is a class project and I am new to contributing to Wikipedia.
However, the Ryman setter is an older bloodline. It is sometime recognized as the Old Hemlock. They are larger in stature with longer hair than the Llewellin. What type of documentation would be required to possibly get this added? [4] MayberrySetterZ ( talk) 18:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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Shouldn't FDSB and its publishing company also be considered for Registration? AF has been in its existence since 1874 ( https://americanfield.villagesoup.com/p/the-american-field-magazine/150538) four years before AKC was founded. The AF has been published and hosted field trials since its inception whereas, the AKC has been purposely concentrated on conformation until well into the 1960. In recent years, there has been cross registration between FDSB/AF and AKC due to the majority of field trials and field dog pedigree has been FDSB registration. American Field history is mentioned here: http://www.akc.org/events/field-trials/pointing-breeds/history/ , second paragraph. FDSB has required DNA testing on all Llewellin litters for Llewellin registration. Without this the 'Llewellin' strain would be a vague label in history. Quneur ( talk) 07:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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The image on the left 'Portrait of an English Setter' does not look like a pedigree to me. Please could an admin remove this image and / or replace it with an appropriate one?
I have over thirty years experience as a breeder and owner of English Setters and it is confusing how such a misguiding and unreprsentative image could have ever made it through the net to the front page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.123.211 ( talk) 17:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Moved from main page:
I have owned a English Setter and a Gordon Setter. In my experience both dogs has a similar nature, habitus and personality. My comments about the Gordon setter equally apply to the English setter.
how about a mention of field english setters versus the show setters? Novium 03:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
There are many unencyclopedic comments on the article with no sources. Most of these are just about acceptable, but the 'temperament' section is problematic. There is some duplicated information - Llewelyn settlers only need to be mentioned once. The stuff about DNA testing to tell the difference is interesting and could be expanded. The phrase "this is not a separate breed, they are however a completely separate and pure bloodline." is confusing and needs to be made clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanBealeCocks ( talk • contribs) 19:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if the Llewellin Setter article should be merged to the English Setter article? I do see the question was asked on the Llewellin talk page previously a few years ago.
There is already mention of the Llewellin within the English Setter article although that piece is lacking citations. It is also stated within the Llewellin article itself: "it is usually only considered a strain of English setter rather than a breed in its own right."
Also, within the only reference that is cited for Llewellin article (The Sporting Dog, Graham, 1904) it states: "They would as well go further and drop the 'pure' idea altogether, letting Llewellin blood stand for what it is - an influential but not separate element in English setter breeding."
Any thoughts on the suggestion of a merge? I have also posted this on the Llewellin setter talk page for comment/discussion.
Sagaciousphil ( talk) 17:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
I would like to express my thanks to SagaciousPhil who proposed this merge, awaited consensus, and carried it out with diligence. I think any controversial areas have been handled and the initial issues noted by cReep have been handled. Onwards and upwards, now. We can always have a better article, even if it reaches Featured Article status. What we have now is one that demonstrates the different, perhaps divergent, strains and the same starting point. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 18:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I added links (references) to the three popular strains of English Setters. It is always a debatable conversation among new and old breed owners. I would like to have this page reflect all sides and to this wonderful breed.
Adding links to the various color identifications will be an enhancement too. Wsjacob ( talk) 17:24, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing that out. Are links to organizations and breed specific clubs allowed or considered not reliable for editing purposes? For Example: [1] [2] [3] MayberrySetterZ ( talk) 17:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate your time and explanations. This is a class project and I am new to contributing to Wikipedia.
However, the Ryman setter is an older bloodline. It is sometime recognized as the Old Hemlock. They are larger in stature with longer hair than the Llewellin. What type of documentation would be required to possibly get this added? [4] MayberrySetterZ ( talk) 18:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
References
Shouldn't FDSB and its publishing company also be considered for Registration? AF has been in its existence since 1874 ( https://americanfield.villagesoup.com/p/the-american-field-magazine/150538) four years before AKC was founded. The AF has been published and hosted field trials since its inception whereas, the AKC has been purposely concentrated on conformation until well into the 1960. In recent years, there has been cross registration between FDSB/AF and AKC due to the majority of field trials and field dog pedigree has been FDSB registration. American Field history is mentioned here: http://www.akc.org/events/field-trials/pointing-breeds/history/ , second paragraph. FDSB has required DNA testing on all Llewellin litters for Llewellin registration. Without this the 'Llewellin' strain would be a vague label in history. Quneur ( talk) 07:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)