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Needs something about the Romantic poets, I think. Keats, Bryon, Shelly, Wordsworth, etc. Neutrality ( talk) 01:26, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi, the opening sentence in the article appears to chronologically belie the reference to Milton in the first sentence of the second paragraph. I would accept the dating of the period in the opening sentence as reasonable, but Milton was born in 1608, and emerged artistically towards the mid 17thC, i.e. too late. I am unfamiliar with editing wikipedia, so perhaps someone less electronically-challenged else could do so if they think it worthwhile! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.26.146 ( talk) 22:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Based on the box at the top right of the article, it looks as though this article is actually supposed to describe this entire time period in English history...everything not medieval or modern. Should it be? Or should it focus purely on the cultural and artistic developments in Tudor and Stuart England? I can pile a bunch of stuff in here on the English Reformation, but is that what this article is for? Or should this be taken off the History of Britain list, and a separate article entitled Early Modern Britain be written? ANy ideas? Jwrosenzweig 20:20, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more I'm unsure about moving the article. I think we need an article on the "English Renaissance" and an article on the broader history of Britain from Bosworth Field to Waterloo (i.e., Early Modern Britain). The E.R. would certainly be addressed in an article on EMB, but I think it deserves seperate treatment. Sorry to create conflict. :-) I think the content on politics and government (and exploration) can be moved to Early Modern Britain, and that some of the renaissance content can be duplicated there (with a note to see this article for more). That way the historical article Early Modern Britain can swing out more broad, and we can avoid giving the E.R. short shrift by covernig it in more cultural detail here. Singing Badger, is this amenable? I'm very open to discussion on this. I just don't feel right moving the article yet -- if you still feel that's best, can you tell me more about why you do? :-) Thanks, Jwrosenzweig 21:35, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I just went ahead and formatted the talk page so it's easier to browse. -- Ashfire908 21:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
This is my first venture in participating in the Wikipedia project. I picked this page to edit because the topic falls under my academic specialty, but I'm still hesitant to proceed, especially since I'm doing this as a class exercise with students.
Here are some uncontroversial corrections:
"Nearing the end of the Tudor Dynasty, philosophers like Sir Thomas More and Sir Francis Bacon"
The Tudor Dynasty ended with the Accession of James I in 1603. Bacon lived from 1561 to 1626. Thomas More lived from 1478 to 1535. I looked up these dates in Wikipedia.
"published their own ideas about humanity and the aspects of a perfect society, pushing the limits of metacognition at that time. As England abolished its astrologers and alchemists, it came closer to reaching modern science with the Baconian Method, a forerunner of the Scientific Method."
"Their own ideas about humanity" is vague. "aspects of a perfect society" referring to More's Utopia has some reference, but remains imprecise and doesnt support the topic sentence of the paragraph. "abolished astrologers and alchemists" should read "abolished astrology and alchemy." But "abolished" sounds too strong to me; these approaches to the observation of nature were gradually replaced by mechanistic views during the period following the Renaissance, but even Newton and Boyle still carried on alchemical and astrological research.
"an increased interest in understanding English Christian beliefs" I'm not sure what this means, but it is not exemplified by "allegorical representation of the Tudor Dynasty in The Faerie Queen"
This whole paragraph, intended to exemplify cultural expressions relevant to the term "English Renaissance," needs recasting, but before I give it a try, I'm curious to see if anyone else comments.
Rudolph2007 15:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I've gone through all edits for the last three months and found absolutely nothing but vandalism or unconstructive edits from anons and just-registereds. Shall I put the little lock on? Does anyone else have this on their watchlist? Opinions? Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 00:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.180.229 ( talk) 18:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
The DYK nomination for C. A. Patrides needs to be reviewed.
Thanks! Kiefer. Wolfowitz 23:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Instead of randomly saying the renaissance stopped at 1620, wouldn't stopping the ren at the civil war or restoration make more sense? In other wiki pages authors like John Milton and Hobbes are mentioned, who were both influenced by the Civil War in England. The social upheaval of the Civil War seems like a better ending point than the 1620s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.42.243 ( talk) 14:34, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
The section English_Renaissance#Criticism_of_the_idea_of_the_English_Renaissance (at least in this version of the article) contains a sentence that mentions [quote:]
the Italian artists ( Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Donatello) who are closely identified with Renaissance visual art.
It (the list in that sentence) does not include [mention] Raphael. Is that because Raphael was not Italian? or, was not an artist? or, was not "closely identified with Renaissance visual art"? Or perhaps because the list would just be [getting] too long, if it had one more entry?
How about adding Raphael to the list in that sentence? Any objections? Any comments? Thank you! -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 22:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
This opinion is much outdated. Nobody would hold anything like that today: Dante, Giotto and, in many respects, Boccaccio and Petrarch are altogether Middle Ages... We usually regard Petrarch as a forerunner of Humanism, which starts at the beginning of the 15th century with Salutati, Leonardo Bruni, Bracciolini,L.B. Albert, etc.i (in literature and philosophy) and Brunelleschi, Ghiberti, Donatello, Masaccio etc. (in visual arts). But Humanism is not equal to Renaissance; and as to when Italian Renaissance did begin it's not, of course, an easy matter to judge. The very concept of Renaissance, and of national Renaissance above all, is somewhat ideological. That's why, formerly, someone would like to make the Renaissance begin with Dante and Giotto at all costs.
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Needs something about the Romantic poets, I think. Keats, Bryon, Shelly, Wordsworth, etc. Neutrality ( talk) 01:26, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi, the opening sentence in the article appears to chronologically belie the reference to Milton in the first sentence of the second paragraph. I would accept the dating of the period in the opening sentence as reasonable, but Milton was born in 1608, and emerged artistically towards the mid 17thC, i.e. too late. I am unfamiliar with editing wikipedia, so perhaps someone less electronically-challenged else could do so if they think it worthwhile! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.26.146 ( talk) 22:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Based on the box at the top right of the article, it looks as though this article is actually supposed to describe this entire time period in English history...everything not medieval or modern. Should it be? Or should it focus purely on the cultural and artistic developments in Tudor and Stuart England? I can pile a bunch of stuff in here on the English Reformation, but is that what this article is for? Or should this be taken off the History of Britain list, and a separate article entitled Early Modern Britain be written? ANy ideas? Jwrosenzweig 20:20, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more I'm unsure about moving the article. I think we need an article on the "English Renaissance" and an article on the broader history of Britain from Bosworth Field to Waterloo (i.e., Early Modern Britain). The E.R. would certainly be addressed in an article on EMB, but I think it deserves seperate treatment. Sorry to create conflict. :-) I think the content on politics and government (and exploration) can be moved to Early Modern Britain, and that some of the renaissance content can be duplicated there (with a note to see this article for more). That way the historical article Early Modern Britain can swing out more broad, and we can avoid giving the E.R. short shrift by covernig it in more cultural detail here. Singing Badger, is this amenable? I'm very open to discussion on this. I just don't feel right moving the article yet -- if you still feel that's best, can you tell me more about why you do? :-) Thanks, Jwrosenzweig 21:35, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I just went ahead and formatted the talk page so it's easier to browse. -- Ashfire908 21:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
This is my first venture in participating in the Wikipedia project. I picked this page to edit because the topic falls under my academic specialty, but I'm still hesitant to proceed, especially since I'm doing this as a class exercise with students.
Here are some uncontroversial corrections:
"Nearing the end of the Tudor Dynasty, philosophers like Sir Thomas More and Sir Francis Bacon"
The Tudor Dynasty ended with the Accession of James I in 1603. Bacon lived from 1561 to 1626. Thomas More lived from 1478 to 1535. I looked up these dates in Wikipedia.
"published their own ideas about humanity and the aspects of a perfect society, pushing the limits of metacognition at that time. As England abolished its astrologers and alchemists, it came closer to reaching modern science with the Baconian Method, a forerunner of the Scientific Method."
"Their own ideas about humanity" is vague. "aspects of a perfect society" referring to More's Utopia has some reference, but remains imprecise and doesnt support the topic sentence of the paragraph. "abolished astrologers and alchemists" should read "abolished astrology and alchemy." But "abolished" sounds too strong to me; these approaches to the observation of nature were gradually replaced by mechanistic views during the period following the Renaissance, but even Newton and Boyle still carried on alchemical and astrological research.
"an increased interest in understanding English Christian beliefs" I'm not sure what this means, but it is not exemplified by "allegorical representation of the Tudor Dynasty in The Faerie Queen"
This whole paragraph, intended to exemplify cultural expressions relevant to the term "English Renaissance," needs recasting, but before I give it a try, I'm curious to see if anyone else comments.
Rudolph2007 15:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I've gone through all edits for the last three months and found absolutely nothing but vandalism or unconstructive edits from anons and just-registereds. Shall I put the little lock on? Does anyone else have this on their watchlist? Opinions? Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 00:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.180.229 ( talk) 18:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
The DYK nomination for C. A. Patrides needs to be reviewed.
Thanks! Kiefer. Wolfowitz 23:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Instead of randomly saying the renaissance stopped at 1620, wouldn't stopping the ren at the civil war or restoration make more sense? In other wiki pages authors like John Milton and Hobbes are mentioned, who were both influenced by the Civil War in England. The social upheaval of the Civil War seems like a better ending point than the 1620s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.42.243 ( talk) 14:34, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
The section English_Renaissance#Criticism_of_the_idea_of_the_English_Renaissance (at least in this version of the article) contains a sentence that mentions [quote:]
the Italian artists ( Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Donatello) who are closely identified with Renaissance visual art.
It (the list in that sentence) does not include [mention] Raphael. Is that because Raphael was not Italian? or, was not an artist? or, was not "closely identified with Renaissance visual art"? Or perhaps because the list would just be [getting] too long, if it had one more entry?
How about adding Raphael to the list in that sentence? Any objections? Any comments? Thank you! -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 22:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
This opinion is much outdated. Nobody would hold anything like that today: Dante, Giotto and, in many respects, Boccaccio and Petrarch are altogether Middle Ages... We usually regard Petrarch as a forerunner of Humanism, which starts at the beginning of the 15th century with Salutati, Leonardo Bruni, Bracciolini,L.B. Albert, etc.i (in literature and philosophy) and Brunelleschi, Ghiberti, Donatello, Masaccio etc. (in visual arts). But Humanism is not equal to Renaissance; and as to when Italian Renaissance did begin it's not, of course, an easy matter to judge. The very concept of Renaissance, and of national Renaissance above all, is somewhat ideological. That's why, formerly, someone would like to make the Renaissance begin with Dante and Giotto at all costs.