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What's the rationale for the use of the former spelling over the latter; the latter seems far more common, and historically much more what was used in the heyday of this group. Why no 'k' in the chosen title? Looks odd....maybe it's only because of my beingh Oof a certain age" (52) but it's odd not to see, also the alternate spelling even mentioned.... is this ia p.c. choice? Skookum1 ( talk) 17:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I personally prefer "Quebecker" for the reasons above. My viewpoint is supported by both Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged ©2003 and The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000. In the Oxford Dictionary, "Quebecker" is the first choice of spelling offered (see Oxford Dictionary Online). -- Skol fir ( talk) 03:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I think it is time to update this article with the statistics from the 2006 census, which, among other things shows an increase in the English-speaking population of Quebec. After all, we are nearing 2009 and many studies have come out already. This short analyis by StatsCan gives an overview of the basics concerning English in Quebec:
I believe the attribution of the increase in the anglophone population to "much fewer Anglophones leaving the province between 2001 and 2006 compared to the seven previous five-year periods" is accurate.
The new SVOLM has also been out for a while:
Obviously, updating the stats implies changing much text in the article and that is the main reason why I have not done it myself already. I believe someone should take the time to do it in early 2009, maybe as a new year's resolution. ;-) -- Mathieugp ( talk) 07:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Typical...Someone lists the English, Irish and Scottish "English speakers", but forgets us THE WELSH. We are majority English ONLY speakers...How come your 100% figure without including us.....???? Could have perhaps listed as British & Irish to avoid this insult? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.230.142 ( talk) 10:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
To the Wiki Gods, there have been far too many editors removing reference to the Anglo-Quebec Identity Flag. Yes, this flag was created from input from a mere 100+ members that the flag has on a Facebook page. I believe the flag should remain listed because:
- The flag exists. It is not a flag graphic drawn up by someone. A number of actual copies of this flag exist and a photo of one of them was posted. This same flag was used by members of Quebec's Anglophone community in recent protests against Bill 101.
- The "Association Des Francophones Du Nunavut" (Francophone Association of Nunavut) is run by only 8 people and their flag is posted on the Wikipedia! My source is the following link:
http://www.manta.com/ic/mt67z7m/ca/association-des-francophones-du-nunavut See also (Canadiens français - Wikipédia), French Canadians
To top this off, there are only 370 French speakers in the whole territory per Wikipedia's Nunavut entry.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Nunavois
There are thousands of Anglophones still living in Quebec.
- Micronational flags from small interest groups are posted on Wikipedia. Sealand's flag represents about 10 people living on a gunboat platform and its posted up.
- There is bias against the English population in Quebec from politicians and even local media. I won't even bother to go into all the details. Consequently, there is a very small chance of this flag ever being recognized on a government level due to this discrimination. By removing reference to it in Wikipedia, the editors are unwittingly participating in this bias.
Ben Van Gak Montreal, QC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 22:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The English language Wikipedia entry for “French Canadian” shows the Franco-Nunavut flag. Only 8 people work in the organization that created their flag, and yet theirs is posted. I am sure that most of the roughly 370 Francophones in that area, all did not give their blessing to have the Franco-Nunavut flag represent them. The fact is that no one cultural flag will get the blessing from all members of its group, period.
Over 100 people from Quebec’s Anglophone community worked on this flag creation. Yes, they did not do it all under one physical roof but from their respective computer locations. Is this really that different from 8 people working in an office who get their flag recognized on Wikipedia? There is no law that stipulates a certain member of a community must tout it as the prime goods. Not all of the flag’s supporters are on Facebook either. Actual copies of the flag have been made and have already been used in political protests by members of Quebec’s Anglophone community, which should be grounds for keeping a reference to the flag under this Wikipedia entry.
Those of you who espouse 3rd party references, from who I ask? Politicians shy away from promoting anything English in Quebec as to not upset sovereignists and lose their vote. Local news media won’t touch this stuff. Even Alliance Quebec, formerly an organization that protected/promoted English Quebec’s rights and culture, doesn’t exist anymore. Don’t expect to see anything official on this flag anytime soon as the fact is that no “official” will promote an English community Quebec flag. It is left up to the community to do this. Facebook is one of the few media places where this flag can be mentioned. Unfortunately, it looks like Wikipedia is not an avenue where all topics on a subject can be covered. What really gets me is that most who are removing reference to the flag are likely from outside la Belle Province themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 18:03, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Groups that were relatively small compared to their overall population created Francophone flags for their respective provinces and they are posted. Two people created the Franco-Ontarian flag. 8 people work in the Franco-Nunavut office and even their flag is listed on Wikipedia. 100 is not enough to list an Anglo Quebec flag, okay what about 1000, 10000,...? What is Wikipedia's criteria???... Exactly, there is none. Double standard is the criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 19:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Did you ever give your blessing to Canada’s flag design? What about the town you live in, did they get your blessing for their town flag? Reality is that most flags don’t get democratically selected by the population at large. They are typically selected by small groups to represent something larger. The Anglo Quebec flag was selected the same way as all these other accepted flags. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 20:21, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I did not choose Quebec's flag, but yet it supposedly represents me. Same with Canada's and my home town. Read above. These arguments go around in circles. BTW, the last post seemed waaay over the top. "Dictating, stand for office, do I think I'm better, burning flags, PTA meetings, etc..." You forgot the kitchen sink. Thanks for lighting up a boring day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 21:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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English-speaking Quebecers (also known as Anglo-Quebecers, English Quebecers, or Anglophone Quebecers, all with the optional spelling Quebeckers; in French Anglo-Québécois, Québécois Anglophone, or simply Anglo) refers to the English-speaking (anglophone) minority of the primarily French-speaking (francophone) province of Quebec, Canada. The English-speaking community in Quebec constitutes an official linguistic minority population under Canadian law
This is rather awkwardly written and messy, thus I suggest we discuss paring it down to the essentials and move any necessary details to a section on the etymology of the term. Thoughts? Laval ( talk) 23:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
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What's the rationale for the use of the former spelling over the latter; the latter seems far more common, and historically much more what was used in the heyday of this group. Why no 'k' in the chosen title? Looks odd....maybe it's only because of my beingh Oof a certain age" (52) but it's odd not to see, also the alternate spelling even mentioned.... is this ia p.c. choice? Skookum1 ( talk) 17:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I personally prefer "Quebecker" for the reasons above. My viewpoint is supported by both Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged ©2003 and The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000. In the Oxford Dictionary, "Quebecker" is the first choice of spelling offered (see Oxford Dictionary Online). -- Skol fir ( talk) 03:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I think it is time to update this article with the statistics from the 2006 census, which, among other things shows an increase in the English-speaking population of Quebec. After all, we are nearing 2009 and many studies have come out already. This short analyis by StatsCan gives an overview of the basics concerning English in Quebec:
I believe the attribution of the increase in the anglophone population to "much fewer Anglophones leaving the province between 2001 and 2006 compared to the seven previous five-year periods" is accurate.
The new SVOLM has also been out for a while:
Obviously, updating the stats implies changing much text in the article and that is the main reason why I have not done it myself already. I believe someone should take the time to do it in early 2009, maybe as a new year's resolution. ;-) -- Mathieugp ( talk) 07:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Typical...Someone lists the English, Irish and Scottish "English speakers", but forgets us THE WELSH. We are majority English ONLY speakers...How come your 100% figure without including us.....???? Could have perhaps listed as British & Irish to avoid this insult? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.230.142 ( talk) 10:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
To the Wiki Gods, there have been far too many editors removing reference to the Anglo-Quebec Identity Flag. Yes, this flag was created from input from a mere 100+ members that the flag has on a Facebook page. I believe the flag should remain listed because:
- The flag exists. It is not a flag graphic drawn up by someone. A number of actual copies of this flag exist and a photo of one of them was posted. This same flag was used by members of Quebec's Anglophone community in recent protests against Bill 101.
- The "Association Des Francophones Du Nunavut" (Francophone Association of Nunavut) is run by only 8 people and their flag is posted on the Wikipedia! My source is the following link:
http://www.manta.com/ic/mt67z7m/ca/association-des-francophones-du-nunavut See also (Canadiens français - Wikipédia), French Canadians
To top this off, there are only 370 French speakers in the whole territory per Wikipedia's Nunavut entry.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Nunavois
There are thousands of Anglophones still living in Quebec.
- Micronational flags from small interest groups are posted on Wikipedia. Sealand's flag represents about 10 people living on a gunboat platform and its posted up.
- There is bias against the English population in Quebec from politicians and even local media. I won't even bother to go into all the details. Consequently, there is a very small chance of this flag ever being recognized on a government level due to this discrimination. By removing reference to it in Wikipedia, the editors are unwittingly participating in this bias.
Ben Van Gak Montreal, QC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 22:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The English language Wikipedia entry for “French Canadian” shows the Franco-Nunavut flag. Only 8 people work in the organization that created their flag, and yet theirs is posted. I am sure that most of the roughly 370 Francophones in that area, all did not give their blessing to have the Franco-Nunavut flag represent them. The fact is that no one cultural flag will get the blessing from all members of its group, period.
Over 100 people from Quebec’s Anglophone community worked on this flag creation. Yes, they did not do it all under one physical roof but from their respective computer locations. Is this really that different from 8 people working in an office who get their flag recognized on Wikipedia? There is no law that stipulates a certain member of a community must tout it as the prime goods. Not all of the flag’s supporters are on Facebook either. Actual copies of the flag have been made and have already been used in political protests by members of Quebec’s Anglophone community, which should be grounds for keeping a reference to the flag under this Wikipedia entry.
Those of you who espouse 3rd party references, from who I ask? Politicians shy away from promoting anything English in Quebec as to not upset sovereignists and lose their vote. Local news media won’t touch this stuff. Even Alliance Quebec, formerly an organization that protected/promoted English Quebec’s rights and culture, doesn’t exist anymore. Don’t expect to see anything official on this flag anytime soon as the fact is that no “official” will promote an English community Quebec flag. It is left up to the community to do this. Facebook is one of the few media places where this flag can be mentioned. Unfortunately, it looks like Wikipedia is not an avenue where all topics on a subject can be covered. What really gets me is that most who are removing reference to the flag are likely from outside la Belle Province themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 18:03, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Groups that were relatively small compared to their overall population created Francophone flags for their respective provinces and they are posted. Two people created the Franco-Ontarian flag. 8 people work in the Franco-Nunavut office and even their flag is listed on Wikipedia. 100 is not enough to list an Anglo Quebec flag, okay what about 1000, 10000,...? What is Wikipedia's criteria???... Exactly, there is none. Double standard is the criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 19:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Did you ever give your blessing to Canada’s flag design? What about the town you live in, did they get your blessing for their town flag? Reality is that most flags don’t get democratically selected by the population at large. They are typically selected by small groups to represent something larger. The Anglo Quebec flag was selected the same way as all these other accepted flags. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 20:21, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I did not choose Quebec's flag, but yet it supposedly represents me. Same with Canada's and my home town. Read above. These arguments go around in circles. BTW, the last post seemed waaay over the top. "Dictating, stand for office, do I think I'm better, burning flags, PTA meetings, etc..." You forgot the kitchen sink. Thanks for lighting up a boring day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.134.7.126 ( talk) 21:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
This is the current lead paragraph:
English-speaking Quebecers (also known as Anglo-Quebecers, English Quebecers, or Anglophone Quebecers, all with the optional spelling Quebeckers; in French Anglo-Québécois, Québécois Anglophone, or simply Anglo) refers to the English-speaking (anglophone) minority of the primarily French-speaking (francophone) province of Quebec, Canada. The English-speaking community in Quebec constitutes an official linguistic minority population under Canadian law
This is rather awkwardly written and messy, thus I suggest we discuss paring it down to the essentials and move any necessary details to a section on the etymology of the term. Thoughts? Laval ( talk) 23:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
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I took the liberty to remove a portion in the article's introduction, as well as reverting another portion which had been changed. In both cases, the content was either unsourced, POV pushing or outright lying, never mind the poor phrasing. This article is about English-speaking Quebecers, it isn't a platform to complain about francophones or the OQLF, and it would be appreciated if it remained that way. Akesgeroth ( talk) 09:35, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
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