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The list here should use wiki formatting, like this. The reason to keep the irregular formatting is "lettered variants, and you’ve mixed references with lists". I see no advantage to lettering variants over bulleting variants, and I have no idea what the mixing references with lists means. The wikiformatting has the advantage of being wikified, and working with tools such as AWB, and the reversions keep losing the fixes (such as "et al") that have been applied. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 13:57, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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Strebe ( talk) 20:58, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I've made another version of the table where the early American editions link is inside the description cell. This produces much less empty cells and leaves more space for flowing text. If you don't mind I'm going to add this to the article. De728631 ( talk) 14:26, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
With the upcoming Hobbit films there's also been a promotional change of cover art at some publishers. E.g. I've found a 2012 paperback by HarperCollins with a cover image showing Bilbo/Freeman looking out of the door of his Hobbit hole. Amazon lists 400 pages but I'm not sure how they count this and if it matches our classification. I suspect the edition is essentially the same as HC1999. Any thoughts? De728631 ( talk) 14:44, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I'm not the one to fix it (inexperience in editing and not enough information), but trying to use this article I have just enough information of my own to get the feeling that it's a mess. Here are some things that I noticed:
Ballantine Books Published a "Revised Edition" in February 1966. This may be the variant listed to the 1965 edition, but it meets the criterium of the Publisher declaring it a new edition. (Source- Title verso of BB1973)
The title verso of my Harper Collins 2007 copy says (among other things):
First published by HarperCollinspublishers 1991- presumably a continuation of previous, but under the new name (can't prove)
5th Edition (reset) 1995- Which is therefore missing from this list
This edition is based on the reset edition first published in 1995
Some of my observations after research:
HM2007 mentions HarperCollins- which is it? (to answer that question, the ISBN listed is HM)
The HarperCollins 2007 edition, while most definitely a new edition (the publishers declare it as such), uses the same ISBN as the 1995 edition.
And finally- a column for ISBN wouldn't go amiss; I know it's not applicable to the early editions, but for the latter ones it would be very useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.86.147.159 ( talk) 01:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I have a 2012 Houghton-Mifflin Harcourt 75th anniversary paperback edition, ISBN 978-0-547-92822-7, with the domain name “readthehobbit.com” printed on the back cover. This website contains a picture of the cover art. Not sure if this is an edition that merits the creation of an “identifier,” or is a “variant” of one of the existing “described” editions? Bwrs ( talk) 19:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Text and/or other creative content from The Hobbit was copied or moved into English-language editions of The Hobbit with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
I copied the text of the section on “publication” from the main article on The Hobbit to this article. But then I did not like the appearance of the result, so I self-reverted. If anybody else believes the text does belong in this article, then please feel free to re-do the copy-paste job, keeping the above template on this talk page for attribution purposes. Bwrs ( talk) 06:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
This web source [1] in turn cites Wikipedia and nothing else. This is a ciruclar reference and as such cannot be reliable. I removed the circular citation leaving a lot of information (including the detailed tables) unreferenced. If another source is not found, much of the information in this section needs to be removed. BenKuykendall ( talk) 19:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
There seems to be no listing for the 1997 H-M 70th Anniversary hardcover, ill. by Alan Lee (Smaug on jacket). Solicitr ( talk) 15:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
The contents of the Early American editions of The Hobbit page were merged into English-language editions of The Hobbit on 18 May 2020. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
This page was proposed for deletion by BenKuykendall ( talk · contribs) on 5 January 2020. |
This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||
|
The list here should use wiki formatting, like this. The reason to keep the irregular formatting is "lettered variants, and you’ve mixed references with lists". I see no advantage to lettering variants over bulleting variants, and I have no idea what the mixing references with lists means. The wikiformatting has the advantage of being wikified, and working with tools such as AWB, and the reversions keep losing the fixes (such as "et al") that have been applied. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 13:57, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
vs.
Strebe ( talk) 20:58, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I've made another version of the table where the early American editions link is inside the description cell. This produces much less empty cells and leaves more space for flowing text. If you don't mind I'm going to add this to the article. De728631 ( talk) 14:26, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
With the upcoming Hobbit films there's also been a promotional change of cover art at some publishers. E.g. I've found a 2012 paperback by HarperCollins with a cover image showing Bilbo/Freeman looking out of the door of his Hobbit hole. Amazon lists 400 pages but I'm not sure how they count this and if it matches our classification. I suspect the edition is essentially the same as HC1999. Any thoughts? De728631 ( talk) 14:44, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I'm not the one to fix it (inexperience in editing and not enough information), but trying to use this article I have just enough information of my own to get the feeling that it's a mess. Here are some things that I noticed:
Ballantine Books Published a "Revised Edition" in February 1966. This may be the variant listed to the 1965 edition, but it meets the criterium of the Publisher declaring it a new edition. (Source- Title verso of BB1973)
The title verso of my Harper Collins 2007 copy says (among other things):
First published by HarperCollinspublishers 1991- presumably a continuation of previous, but under the new name (can't prove)
5th Edition (reset) 1995- Which is therefore missing from this list
This edition is based on the reset edition first published in 1995
Some of my observations after research:
HM2007 mentions HarperCollins- which is it? (to answer that question, the ISBN listed is HM)
The HarperCollins 2007 edition, while most definitely a new edition (the publishers declare it as such), uses the same ISBN as the 1995 edition.
And finally- a column for ISBN wouldn't go amiss; I know it's not applicable to the early editions, but for the latter ones it would be very useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.86.147.159 ( talk) 01:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I have a 2012 Houghton-Mifflin Harcourt 75th anniversary paperback edition, ISBN 978-0-547-92822-7, with the domain name “readthehobbit.com” printed on the back cover. This website contains a picture of the cover art. Not sure if this is an edition that merits the creation of an “identifier,” or is a “variant” of one of the existing “described” editions? Bwrs ( talk) 19:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Text and/or other creative content from The Hobbit was copied or moved into English-language editions of The Hobbit with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
I copied the text of the section on “publication” from the main article on The Hobbit to this article. But then I did not like the appearance of the result, so I self-reverted. If anybody else believes the text does belong in this article, then please feel free to re-do the copy-paste job, keeping the above template on this talk page for attribution purposes. Bwrs ( talk) 06:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
This web source [1] in turn cites Wikipedia and nothing else. This is a ciruclar reference and as such cannot be reliable. I removed the circular citation leaving a lot of information (including the detailed tables) unreferenced. If another source is not found, much of the information in this section needs to be removed. BenKuykendall ( talk) 19:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
There seems to be no listing for the 1997 H-M 70th Anniversary hardcover, ill. by Alan Lee (Smaug on jacket). Solicitr ( talk) 15:49, 12 November 2021 (UTC)