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With regard to the matrix that cites Shippey, what is meant by drawing a parallel between Took and Tuck? Yes, Tuck is an English surname (as in Friar Tuck), but so is Took. I think it is true that the hobbits of the Shire all have English surnames or surnames that sound English (I don't think that Baggins is a real English surname, but I could be wrong). Not having read Shippey, I don't know what he's getting at. And neither would many other readers look at that matrix...-- Jack Upland ( talk) 02:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
You'd have to ask him that. But it's one of the central hobbit characters and many people might suppose it an invention so perhaps it's rather well-chosen. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 17:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
This passage confuses two places. There is (also) an angle between rivers in Lothlórien, but Hoarwell and Loudwater are on the other side of the Misty Mountains! — Tamfang ( talk) 17:56, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
The word "Mark" is not from Latin as originally stated here. Mark, in this context, is a word of Germanic origin meaning frontier or border. It is from this that the Germanic tribe "Marcomanni" derive their name. In the case of the Marcomanni, that is a Romanized form from the likely original, Markman or Markmanne, meaning Frontiersmen, that got interpreted by a Roman as Marcomanni.
Mercia indeed has a shared link to the "Mark" as the land was settled as a frontier for Roman Britain by Germanic mercenaries...a word that also could have been the reason for the land being called Mercia (as opposed to it being a Mark). 65.254.18.190 ( talk) 19:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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In order to meet the criteria for a good article, the entry should present information in a neutral way, and this one has note done so. It presents the idea that Tolkien's work is seen as a mythology for England by all scholars. In fact, many scholars have challenged this idea, most notably Dimitra Fimi in her work Tolkien Race and Cultural History, which details how Tolkien's conception of his own work shifts over time and moves away from relating work directly to England using a mythical framework.
The article is under-researched and needs to represent both sides of this critical debate. 199.48.94.87 ( talk) 16:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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With regard to the matrix that cites Shippey, what is meant by drawing a parallel between Took and Tuck? Yes, Tuck is an English surname (as in Friar Tuck), but so is Took. I think it is true that the hobbits of the Shire all have English surnames or surnames that sound English (I don't think that Baggins is a real English surname, but I could be wrong). Not having read Shippey, I don't know what he's getting at. And neither would many other readers look at that matrix...-- Jack Upland ( talk) 02:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
You'd have to ask him that. But it's one of the central hobbit characters and many people might suppose it an invention so perhaps it's rather well-chosen. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 17:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
This passage confuses two places. There is (also) an angle between rivers in Lothlórien, but Hoarwell and Loudwater are on the other side of the Misty Mountains! — Tamfang ( talk) 17:56, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
The word "Mark" is not from Latin as originally stated here. Mark, in this context, is a word of Germanic origin meaning frontier or border. It is from this that the Germanic tribe "Marcomanni" derive their name. In the case of the Marcomanni, that is a Romanized form from the likely original, Markman or Markmanne, meaning Frontiersmen, that got interpreted by a Roman as Marcomanni.
Mercia indeed has a shared link to the "Mark" as the land was settled as a frontier for Roman Britain by Germanic mercenaries...a word that also could have been the reason for the land being called Mercia (as opposed to it being a Mark). 65.254.18.190 ( talk) 19:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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In order to meet the criteria for a good article, the entry should present information in a neutral way, and this one has note done so. It presents the idea that Tolkien's work is seen as a mythology for England by all scholars. In fact, many scholars have challenged this idea, most notably Dimitra Fimi in her work Tolkien Race and Cultural History, which details how Tolkien's conception of his own work shifts over time and moves away from relating work directly to England using a mythical framework.
The article is under-researched and needs to represent both sides of this critical debate. 199.48.94.87 ( talk) 16:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)