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I recently saw a report on TV about the gas prices. The report said that when you factor inflation into the picture, gas prices are actually not that high. I was wondering if anyone here would be willing to work this into the article. Thanks. Andrew Parodi 09:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Inflation adjusted cost ratios are besides the point, when we are in peak production and bound for a bumpy ride down the slope of declining production and increasing cost. When you can't afford a hoe to tend your garden, you'll understand why inflation adjusted prices are a distraction to the real issues. VisionWriter @ vermontel.net
I agree with Andrew Parodi, I read that once adjusted, the prices aren't that high, and besides, they're going down. Just the oil in the United States is enough to last a very long time. VisionWriter, you're just making it seem worse than it really is. Rurounigoku78 19:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Inflation doesn't cover the cost of rising energy prices. Here in England electricity & gas prices have risen sharply in the last few years, far faster than inflation. -- Craig Mayhew 12:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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The text has been damaged, can one fix it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.203.11.154 ( talk) 09:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC).
I removed this section, seems to be put here by a vandal
Global Warming & Gas Prices.
The obvious has not been clearly stated by the news media. The regulation of Global Warming and of Greenhouse Gas emissions are the entire reason that gas prices are growing. The United States’ refineries are under scrutiny because of the amount of CO2 released in the air from the change of Crude Oil to Petroleum with reasonable Octane levels. These new regulations of Global Warming by the “New World Order” drive gas prices up. More Oil Refineries need to be built and fewer regulations will help lower the cost of oil.
There is some substance here though, if we can get some research and citations on the effect of regulation. I actualy agree with the position that Global Warming is a (marxist) religious myth, not scientific fact. However, wikipedia rightfully is not a soapbox.
168.28.49.228 16:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed this
According to Penn & Teller, the belief that the United States faces an upcoming or current energy crisis caused by its dependence on foreign oil and other fossil fuels is " bullshit". Citing the current 100+ nuclear power plants that supply ~20% of U.S. energy, they assert that building another 400 would solve the vast majority of the perceived problem.
for obvious reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.2.145 ( talk) 04:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Removed the limited to growth quote from the predictions. They did not predict any oil shortages at all. It is possibly a false attribution to a tablle in the book showing the relative difference between resources at current rates of usage and expotential rates of usage. This was not part of the model and not a prediction. This has been misquoted in "The Skeptial Environmentalist" and by other Cornucopians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.84.247 ( talk) 12:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_estimates_(PPP): World GDP = $77,000 billion =~ $1014
World_energy_resources_and_consumption: 15 TW = 1.5 x 1013 W (in 2004) =~1013 W
~1013 W multiplied by (24 x 365 hours per year) = 1017 Wh per year
divide by 1000 (kWh / Wh) = 1014 kWh per year
Conversion_of_units: British thermal unit (ISO) ≡ 1.0545 kJ ; 3.6 MJ per kWh
Gasoline#Energy_content: 125,000 BTU/US gal
Convert to J:
1 gal gas ~ 125,000 kJ ~ 125 MJ
divide by 3.6 MJ per kWh
1 gal gas ~ 40 kWh
At $4.00 per gallon -> $4.00 / 40 kWh =~ $0.10 per kWh
Benchmark Energy cost / World GDP = (1014 kWh per year)( $0.10 per kWh) / $1014 = 0.1 =10% —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nukeh ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
In a related matter, does anyone think that fuel economy should be kept out of the automobile infoboxes? Please voice your opinion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_Automobile#Vote_on_Fuel_Economy_in_the_Infobox 198.151.13.8 ( talk) 18:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that someone (I don't know how to do it, sorry) adds the following graph
http://www.earthpolicy.org/Updates/2007/Update67_data.htm#fig3
to the historical crises section: in that picture you can actually see each of the crises that the section refers to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.66.26 ( talk) 11:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
The discussion of Peak Oil is scattered and lacks a basic introduction. I have consolidated some sections and provided a brief intro. The Mitigation section is too long: there is a good main article on this. Feel free to further improve and update this. Rlsheehan ( talk) 14:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
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Whoever wrote the "fule" section is on drugs or something. It is full of grammatical errors and basically unreadable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SecretSpectre ( talk • contribs) 03:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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I recently saw a report on TV about the gas prices. The report said that when you factor inflation into the picture, gas prices are actually not that high. I was wondering if anyone here would be willing to work this into the article. Thanks. Andrew Parodi 09:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Inflation adjusted cost ratios are besides the point, when we are in peak production and bound for a bumpy ride down the slope of declining production and increasing cost. When you can't afford a hoe to tend your garden, you'll understand why inflation adjusted prices are a distraction to the real issues. VisionWriter @ vermontel.net
I agree with Andrew Parodi, I read that once adjusted, the prices aren't that high, and besides, they're going down. Just the oil in the United States is enough to last a very long time. VisionWriter, you're just making it seem worse than it really is. Rurounigoku78 19:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Inflation doesn't cover the cost of rising energy prices. Here in England electricity & gas prices have risen sharply in the last few years, far faster than inflation. -- Craig Mayhew 12:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
This article is filling up with link spam. Please review WP:EL. Per WP guidelines, when an article starts attracting numerous links, it should be periodically emptied - Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam. Before adding a new link, suggest it first on this Talk page rather than adding to the links section. Calltech 14:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The text has been damaged, can one fix it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.203.11.154 ( talk) 09:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC).
I removed this section, seems to be put here by a vandal
Global Warming & Gas Prices.
The obvious has not been clearly stated by the news media. The regulation of Global Warming and of Greenhouse Gas emissions are the entire reason that gas prices are growing. The United States’ refineries are under scrutiny because of the amount of CO2 released in the air from the change of Crude Oil to Petroleum with reasonable Octane levels. These new regulations of Global Warming by the “New World Order” drive gas prices up. More Oil Refineries need to be built and fewer regulations will help lower the cost of oil.
There is some substance here though, if we can get some research and citations on the effect of regulation. I actualy agree with the position that Global Warming is a (marxist) religious myth, not scientific fact. However, wikipedia rightfully is not a soapbox.
168.28.49.228 16:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed this
According to Penn & Teller, the belief that the United States faces an upcoming or current energy crisis caused by its dependence on foreign oil and other fossil fuels is " bullshit". Citing the current 100+ nuclear power plants that supply ~20% of U.S. energy, they assert that building another 400 would solve the vast majority of the perceived problem.
for obvious reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.92.2.145 ( talk) 04:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Removed the limited to growth quote from the predictions. They did not predict any oil shortages at all. It is possibly a false attribution to a tablle in the book showing the relative difference between resources at current rates of usage and expotential rates of usage. This was not part of the model and not a prediction. This has been misquoted in "The Skeptial Environmentalist" and by other Cornucopians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.84.247 ( talk) 12:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
List_of_countries_by_future_GDP_estimates_(PPP): World GDP = $77,000 billion =~ $1014
World_energy_resources_and_consumption: 15 TW = 1.5 x 1013 W (in 2004) =~1013 W
~1013 W multiplied by (24 x 365 hours per year) = 1017 Wh per year
divide by 1000 (kWh / Wh) = 1014 kWh per year
Conversion_of_units: British thermal unit (ISO) ≡ 1.0545 kJ ; 3.6 MJ per kWh
Gasoline#Energy_content: 125,000 BTU/US gal
Convert to J:
1 gal gas ~ 125,000 kJ ~ 125 MJ
divide by 3.6 MJ per kWh
1 gal gas ~ 40 kWh
At $4.00 per gallon -> $4.00 / 40 kWh =~ $0.10 per kWh
Benchmark Energy cost / World GDP = (1014 kWh per year)( $0.10 per kWh) / $1014 = 0.1 =10% —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nukeh ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
In a related matter, does anyone think that fuel economy should be kept out of the automobile infoboxes? Please voice your opinion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_Automobile#Vote_on_Fuel_Economy_in_the_Infobox 198.151.13.8 ( talk) 18:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that someone (I don't know how to do it, sorry) adds the following graph
http://www.earthpolicy.org/Updates/2007/Update67_data.htm#fig3
to the historical crises section: in that picture you can actually see each of the crises that the section refers to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.66.26 ( talk) 11:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
The discussion of Peak Oil is scattered and lacks a basic introduction. I have consolidated some sections and provided a brief intro. The Mitigation section is too long: there is a good main article on this. Feel free to further improve and update this. Rlsheehan ( talk) 14:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
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Whoever wrote the "fule" section is on drugs or something. It is full of grammatical errors and basically unreadable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SecretSpectre ( talk • contribs) 03:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)