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Terminal lake now refers to endorheic basin, but a basin is not a lake. A lake can be found in the bottom of a drainage basin, but they are not one and the same. Furthermore, the term terminal lake is easily a factor hundred thousand or more widespread and known than endorheic lake, so the choice of principal word seems somewhat odd for me as a geographer. -- 66.176.181.109 21:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
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Hey latin-speakers. If my (google-based) latin is correct, "endo-rheic" means roughly "acid inside", yet an endorheic lake is invariably alkaline. Does rheic really mean "caustic" rather than "acidic", or am I missing something? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:21, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Well, your basic problem is that endorheic is Greek rather than Latin, and means something like "flowing in" because they have no outlet to the sea. I don't think it has any relationship to pH. Alteripse 00:01, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Our article in Lake Eyre Basin says its the world's largest inland basin, but my understanding is that the central asian basin that includes the Caspian and Aral seas much surely be larger. As finding ordered lists of the lakes is easy, but information about the basins is hard, I removed the claim in this article about the Eyre basin, but didn't assert anything about the asian one. Hopefully someone can figure out which is the case (and ideally find some numbers to back it up). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:54, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Was the Mediterranean Sea ever closed at Gibraltar? If so, was it an endorheic lake? -- SGBailey 15:30, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
I think some of the African Rift Valley Lakes are also endorheic and should be mentioned here. Right? richarddd
Isn't Utah's Great Salt Lake considered one two?
By what definition of ocean is the Caspian Sea "actually a small ocean"? Just because it's saltwater? -- Angr 17:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be at Endorheic basin since that it was it is about? Endorheic seems odd as an article namefor te topic since it technically is an adjective. Eluchil404 22:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Would the Zeller See in Austria not count? It has no outflows. I'm not expert enough on the definition to make the change to the article myself. jlang 17:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the Colorado River an endorheic basin? After all, it dries up before making it to the Gulf of California. If yes, this is a great example to discuss, since it is endorheic purely because of human activity. If you account for this human activity, this actually would make the Salton Sea the low point of the Colorado River endorheic basin, since this is where the irrigation canals are directing most of the water that would otherwise reach the sea. (Most other diversions lead back to the river, such as diversion into Phoenix, which return via the Gila River).
I'm not sure how folks view this idea, but it's certainly worth some discussion.
On this topic of uniqueness, Crater Lake should maybe be mentioned as a rare example of a wet climate endorheic basin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.231.60.142 ( talk) 04:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
There is total confusion between "basin" and "lake". This makes no sense at all:
Much of western and Central Asia is a single, giant inland basin. It contains several lakes, including:
The Central Asian Internal Drainage Basin, the largest of the three major basins covering Mongolia. Brianhep ( talk) 04:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't Lake Tahoe also be included in the list of North America's Great Basin lakes? While it does have outflow, the outflow terminates in Pyramid Lake, which is an endorheic terminal lake. Ityllux ( talk) 04:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
There are a couple ones on Hispañola, the largest of which is Lago Enriquillo on the Dominican side. I'm not sure but heard someone claim it is the largest endorheic lake on an island. Others include Etang Saumâtre and Trou Caïman in Haiti. Aapold ( talk) 15:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
The article states that normal drainage basins can outflow by diffusion through permeable rock. How is seepage outflow of an Endorheic basin different from diffusion through permeable rock? Panscient ( talk) 15:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
This body of water drains through aquafers into the Klamath River Basin, which drains into the Pacific Ocean. It wouldn't be an endorheic basic with the defination given. I illegally drank some of the water, it was soft as snow melt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.160.103.216 ( talk) 20:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
The western part of inland central Australia is shown in pink, as if it drains to the sea. This is incorrect. Most of this area has no drainage to the sea at all, even in abnormal rain conditions. If a lot of water arrives, it ends up in the countless dry salt pans. Eregli bob ( talk) 16:41, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
The article states that "Endorheic regions, in contrast to exorheic regions which flow to the ocean in geologically defined patterns, are closed hydrologic systems." I disagree, based on my understanding of hydrologic, namely that it includes evapotranspiration and rainfall. If my understanding is correct, rain evaporated from other basins would fall in an endorheic basin and water would indeed escape the endorheic basin and fall elsewhere in the world. 209.2.20.17 ( talk) 17:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC) -- Sorry: that was me, D. F. Schmidt ( talk) 17:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
I have been trying to find information regarding farm ponds. Man made farm ponds are often endorheic and my mother-in-laws farm pond is one such pond. It has a very small catchment area, almost never runs over, and the soil in the area is clay, so there's probably little or no seepage. The water level varies, being low during dry seasons and higher during rainy seasons. I have found very little information regarding testing for salinity levels, fish, plants. 162.40.172.185 ( talk) 06:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
The page was recently moved to "Closed sea", however there was no discussion and the article was not modified to fit the new name. The name "closed sea" is not even mentioned in the article except for the dab at the top. This is about basins with no external drainage and most don't have a resident body of water or "sea" except temporarily. Given that - the name "closed sea" is simply a misnomer. Thoughts? Vsmith ( talk) 15:49, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I feel that the preamble should state explicitly if an E basin allows an underground drainage and/or a flood-time one. pietro 151.29.191.205 ( talk) 16:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
The Great Lakes are connected by canals to the St. Lawrence River and the Chicago River, but these are recent engineering feats. Does anyone know whether the Great Lakes were endorheic before the canals were dug, in the recent past? 2601:441:4400:1740:A93D:7AFA:2D6D:A52F ( talk) 00:52, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Is there any way to change the speed of the pronunciation recording? It is spoken far too quickly to be readily understood. Bricology ( talk) 23:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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Terminal lake now refers to endorheic basin, but a basin is not a lake. A lake can be found in the bottom of a drainage basin, but they are not one and the same. Furthermore, the term terminal lake is easily a factor hundred thousand or more widespread and known than endorheic lake, so the choice of principal word seems somewhat odd for me as a geographer. -- 66.176.181.109 21:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
copied from Wikipedia:Reference desk by Finlay McWalter
Hey latin-speakers. If my (google-based) latin is correct, "endo-rheic" means roughly "acid inside", yet an endorheic lake is invariably alkaline. Does rheic really mean "caustic" rather than "acidic", or am I missing something? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:21, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Well, your basic problem is that endorheic is Greek rather than Latin, and means something like "flowing in" because they have no outlet to the sea. I don't think it has any relationship to pH. Alteripse 00:01, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Our article in Lake Eyre Basin says its the world's largest inland basin, but my understanding is that the central asian basin that includes the Caspian and Aral seas much surely be larger. As finding ordered lists of the lakes is easy, but information about the basins is hard, I removed the claim in this article about the Eyre basin, but didn't assert anything about the asian one. Hopefully someone can figure out which is the case (and ideally find some numbers to back it up). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:54, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Was the Mediterranean Sea ever closed at Gibraltar? If so, was it an endorheic lake? -- SGBailey 15:30, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
I think some of the African Rift Valley Lakes are also endorheic and should be mentioned here. Right? richarddd
Isn't Utah's Great Salt Lake considered one two?
By what definition of ocean is the Caspian Sea "actually a small ocean"? Just because it's saltwater? -- Angr 17:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be at Endorheic basin since that it was it is about? Endorheic seems odd as an article namefor te topic since it technically is an adjective. Eluchil404 22:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Would the Zeller See in Austria not count? It has no outflows. I'm not expert enough on the definition to make the change to the article myself. jlang 17:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the Colorado River an endorheic basin? After all, it dries up before making it to the Gulf of California. If yes, this is a great example to discuss, since it is endorheic purely because of human activity. If you account for this human activity, this actually would make the Salton Sea the low point of the Colorado River endorheic basin, since this is where the irrigation canals are directing most of the water that would otherwise reach the sea. (Most other diversions lead back to the river, such as diversion into Phoenix, which return via the Gila River).
I'm not sure how folks view this idea, but it's certainly worth some discussion.
On this topic of uniqueness, Crater Lake should maybe be mentioned as a rare example of a wet climate endorheic basin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.231.60.142 ( talk) 04:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
There is total confusion between "basin" and "lake". This makes no sense at all:
Much of western and Central Asia is a single, giant inland basin. It contains several lakes, including:
The Central Asian Internal Drainage Basin, the largest of the three major basins covering Mongolia. Brianhep ( talk) 04:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't Lake Tahoe also be included in the list of North America's Great Basin lakes? While it does have outflow, the outflow terminates in Pyramid Lake, which is an endorheic terminal lake. Ityllux ( talk) 04:39, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
There are a couple ones on Hispañola, the largest of which is Lago Enriquillo on the Dominican side. I'm not sure but heard someone claim it is the largest endorheic lake on an island. Others include Etang Saumâtre and Trou Caïman in Haiti. Aapold ( talk) 15:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
The article states that normal drainage basins can outflow by diffusion through permeable rock. How is seepage outflow of an Endorheic basin different from diffusion through permeable rock? Panscient ( talk) 15:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
This body of water drains through aquafers into the Klamath River Basin, which drains into the Pacific Ocean. It wouldn't be an endorheic basic with the defination given. I illegally drank some of the water, it was soft as snow melt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.160.103.216 ( talk) 20:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
The western part of inland central Australia is shown in pink, as if it drains to the sea. This is incorrect. Most of this area has no drainage to the sea at all, even in abnormal rain conditions. If a lot of water arrives, it ends up in the countless dry salt pans. Eregli bob ( talk) 16:41, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
The article states that "Endorheic regions, in contrast to exorheic regions which flow to the ocean in geologically defined patterns, are closed hydrologic systems." I disagree, based on my understanding of hydrologic, namely that it includes evapotranspiration and rainfall. If my understanding is correct, rain evaporated from other basins would fall in an endorheic basin and water would indeed escape the endorheic basin and fall elsewhere in the world. 209.2.20.17 ( talk) 17:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC) -- Sorry: that was me, D. F. Schmidt ( talk) 17:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
I have been trying to find information regarding farm ponds. Man made farm ponds are often endorheic and my mother-in-laws farm pond is one such pond. It has a very small catchment area, almost never runs over, and the soil in the area is clay, so there's probably little or no seepage. The water level varies, being low during dry seasons and higher during rainy seasons. I have found very little information regarding testing for salinity levels, fish, plants. 162.40.172.185 ( talk) 06:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
The page was recently moved to "Closed sea", however there was no discussion and the article was not modified to fit the new name. The name "closed sea" is not even mentioned in the article except for the dab at the top. This is about basins with no external drainage and most don't have a resident body of water or "sea" except temporarily. Given that - the name "closed sea" is simply a misnomer. Thoughts? Vsmith ( talk) 15:49, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I feel that the preamble should state explicitly if an E basin allows an underground drainage and/or a flood-time one. pietro 151.29.191.205 ( talk) 16:41, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
The Great Lakes are connected by canals to the St. Lawrence River and the Chicago River, but these are recent engineering feats. Does anyone know whether the Great Lakes were endorheic before the canals were dug, in the recent past? 2601:441:4400:1740:A93D:7AFA:2D6D:A52F ( talk) 00:52, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Is there any way to change the speed of the pronunciation recording? It is spoken far too quickly to be readily understood. Bricology ( talk) 23:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)