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Why is this organisation notable? CarbonLifeForm ( talk) 09:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the Lonely Planet to Micronations: I suggest we remove that as a source. It says clearly in the front cover "This book is intended for entertainment only. While the authors and Lonely Planet have taken all reasonable care to verify the information within, we make no warranty about its accuracy or completeness and, to the maximum extend permitted, disclaim all liability arising from use of the book" (emphasis added). I know it may seem like a standard disclaimer (like Wikipedia has), but it goes further to state that it's "for entertainment only" (a disclaimer like a psychic or The Onion would). Many of the "facts" in the book are clearly tongue-in-cheek jokes. Please let me know what you guys think (and please let me know about any COI). ~a ( user • talk • contribs) 17:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Gene Poole that the authors would have researched all of the micronations - and it is definitely not fiction. As I said before - this does not affect this article, the information in the book about Atlantium (and most likely any other micronation) is definitely correct. Any information in the book that isn't correct (such as the statement on Vikeslandic sovereignty) was not likely to be intentional. However, if both the website and the book state the same information, there is nothing stopping any editor from using both sources... Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 16:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
[1] - Definitely can be visited. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 17:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted the unexplained blanking of most of the bibliography content. The sources in question should be cited within the article, not deleted. -- Gene_poole ( talk) 21:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
This article just happens to gloss over the the fact that no other country recognizes Atlantium as a sovereign nation. Thus, the view that this is an independent micro-nation is a minority view and should be treated as such. Many of the things in this article border on micronation cruft instead of dealing with the actual importance of this organization as it is. Instead, too much space is devoted to stock templates and forms which are all well and good in mainstream micro-nations, but only serve to confuse the issue here. I respect Gene Poole as an editor, but he has a clear conflict of interest here, so much so that it would be best if he refrained from editing (except as relates to completely uncontroversial content) and instead participated in talk page discussion only. Savidan 02:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Somebody said "cruft". This whole page is cruft. It is absolute excrement. There is NO recognition of this "micronation" anywhere other than in the author's minds. There is no physical location. There is no active participant population governed. There is no active government. The treatment of "Atlantium" as a valid micronation is utter nonsense and foolishness. The coverage in the Lonely Planet was obviously meant humourously, and is not to be taken seriously. An entry in Wikipedia should be encyclopedic, and this is not. Wikepedia has deleted far more valid entries than this. A case COULD be made that this "micronation" could be mentioned as a creation of the men mentioned in the article as such, but must be restricted to that level of recognition. To do otherwise demeans the validity of Wikipedia as a valid source. Mbuell72 ( talk) 14:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
User:Gene Poole, an editor of this article, claims to be "co-founder and chief executive of Atlantium " on his user page. Why isn't he mentioned in the article? The article mentions 3 teenagers who first created it, then says one of them revived it. Of course, there is a bit of COI here. Doug Weller ( talk) 09:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
This article has a huge number of non-free images, far more than is needed. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 18:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Surely stuff like "Emperor George II" should be substituted for "George Cruickshank"? Talk of provinces and capitals should probably be replaced to more neutral and accurate words like "apartment" and "hobby farm". -- 60.241.155.191 ( talk) 13:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
After informing myself for some days about Atlantium, I strongly recommend the removal of this exercise in self aggrandisement from wikipedia as the article is apparently written and kept by the same person who owns the Atlantium website using sockpuppets as Gene Poole is George Cruickshank, the salesman who lives on the small apartment from where the online fantasy country runs from and a friend if not yet another sockpuppet. Specially because George Cruickshank by the use of the sockpuppet Gene Poole constantly asks wikipedia moderators to remove other micronations under the same premises. Lordlicious ( Lordlicious) 11:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Removal has been reverted; please discuss further and seek consensus first. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 03:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
George hasn't been active since March. 216.105.64.144 ( talk) 17:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I just removed yet another {{notability}} template placed on this article. The reasons being:
Samboy ( talk) 10:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
You seem to be ignoring all the rules George Cruickshank broke in wikipedia to keep his (this) article up just for his amusement: self aggrandizement, sock puppet accounts, trolling, flaming other users, etc, as he seem so far, to have created this article himself and keeps on coming back under sock puppet accounts to restore it, hence the several deletions.
By the way: It would not be strange by now if you would be George for defending him so vehemently after you came in here to restore this page (and vanish once more?). Let this page die, George.
Best regards.
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Hi, could anyone fix the dead link by John Mulhall (in the Further reading section) please? The one who add that link said that the url status is "dead". When I copied this link to use in the Vietnamese edition, the link is dead too. Please. Russian Federal Subjects ( talk) 06:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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Why is this organisation notable? CarbonLifeForm ( talk) 09:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the Lonely Planet to Micronations: I suggest we remove that as a source. It says clearly in the front cover "This book is intended for entertainment only. While the authors and Lonely Planet have taken all reasonable care to verify the information within, we make no warranty about its accuracy or completeness and, to the maximum extend permitted, disclaim all liability arising from use of the book" (emphasis added). I know it may seem like a standard disclaimer (like Wikipedia has), but it goes further to state that it's "for entertainment only" (a disclaimer like a psychic or The Onion would). Many of the "facts" in the book are clearly tongue-in-cheek jokes. Please let me know what you guys think (and please let me know about any COI). ~a ( user • talk • contribs) 17:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Gene Poole that the authors would have researched all of the micronations - and it is definitely not fiction. As I said before - this does not affect this article, the information in the book about Atlantium (and most likely any other micronation) is definitely correct. Any information in the book that isn't correct (such as the statement on Vikeslandic sovereignty) was not likely to be intentional. However, if both the website and the book state the same information, there is nothing stopping any editor from using both sources... Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 16:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
[1] - Definitely can be visited. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 17:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted the unexplained blanking of most of the bibliography content. The sources in question should be cited within the article, not deleted. -- Gene_poole ( talk) 21:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
This article just happens to gloss over the the fact that no other country recognizes Atlantium as a sovereign nation. Thus, the view that this is an independent micro-nation is a minority view and should be treated as such. Many of the things in this article border on micronation cruft instead of dealing with the actual importance of this organization as it is. Instead, too much space is devoted to stock templates and forms which are all well and good in mainstream micro-nations, but only serve to confuse the issue here. I respect Gene Poole as an editor, but he has a clear conflict of interest here, so much so that it would be best if he refrained from editing (except as relates to completely uncontroversial content) and instead participated in talk page discussion only. Savidan 02:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Somebody said "cruft". This whole page is cruft. It is absolute excrement. There is NO recognition of this "micronation" anywhere other than in the author's minds. There is no physical location. There is no active participant population governed. There is no active government. The treatment of "Atlantium" as a valid micronation is utter nonsense and foolishness. The coverage in the Lonely Planet was obviously meant humourously, and is not to be taken seriously. An entry in Wikipedia should be encyclopedic, and this is not. Wikepedia has deleted far more valid entries than this. A case COULD be made that this "micronation" could be mentioned as a creation of the men mentioned in the article as such, but must be restricted to that level of recognition. To do otherwise demeans the validity of Wikipedia as a valid source. Mbuell72 ( talk) 14:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
User:Gene Poole, an editor of this article, claims to be "co-founder and chief executive of Atlantium " on his user page. Why isn't he mentioned in the article? The article mentions 3 teenagers who first created it, then says one of them revived it. Of course, there is a bit of COI here. Doug Weller ( talk) 09:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
This article has a huge number of non-free images, far more than is needed. -- Apoc2400 ( talk) 18:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Surely stuff like "Emperor George II" should be substituted for "George Cruickshank"? Talk of provinces and capitals should probably be replaced to more neutral and accurate words like "apartment" and "hobby farm". -- 60.241.155.191 ( talk) 13:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
After informing myself for some days about Atlantium, I strongly recommend the removal of this exercise in self aggrandisement from wikipedia as the article is apparently written and kept by the same person who owns the Atlantium website using sockpuppets as Gene Poole is George Cruickshank, the salesman who lives on the small apartment from where the online fantasy country runs from and a friend if not yet another sockpuppet. Specially because George Cruickshank by the use of the sockpuppet Gene Poole constantly asks wikipedia moderators to remove other micronations under the same premises. Lordlicious ( Lordlicious) 11:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Removal has been reverted; please discuss further and seek consensus first. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 03:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
George hasn't been active since March. 216.105.64.144 ( talk) 17:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I just removed yet another {{notability}} template placed on this article. The reasons being:
Samboy ( talk) 10:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
You seem to be ignoring all the rules George Cruickshank broke in wikipedia to keep his (this) article up just for his amusement: self aggrandizement, sock puppet accounts, trolling, flaming other users, etc, as he seem so far, to have created this article himself and keeps on coming back under sock puppet accounts to restore it, hence the several deletions.
By the way: It would not be strange by now if you would be George for defending him so vehemently after you came in here to restore this page (and vanish once more?). Let this page die, George.
Best regards.
Wyve (
talk) 13:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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@ Mountaincirque: of your tags added in October 2016:
Please ping me. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 16:54, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, could anyone fix the dead link by John Mulhall (in the Further reading section) please? The one who add that link said that the url status is "dead". When I copied this link to use in the Vietnamese edition, the link is dead too. Please. Russian Federal Subjects ( talk) 06:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)