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I think there should be a part on this article to explain this. The French Empire was a monarchy under Emperor Napoleon but the later French Colonial Empires had a republican structure with a president. In fact on the Colonial empire article, I think France is the ONLY republic on there. I know USA has some controversy of is status as an empire but, like France, it is a republic, so it is sort of another example, I would also mention the USSR and China being empires, though they aren't monarchies they are still dictatorships. The reason why the USA and France are empires without emperors is probably because France has been a major player in world politics since the last millennium and USA has rose to great prominence last century, becoming stronger than Great Britain and France.-- 88.104.111.184 ( talk) 03:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
if "empire" can only mean "state with a head called Emperor" then Britain didn't have an empire until Queen Victoria took the title " Empress of India" (and if we want to be really picky you could argue that there never was a "British Empire", just a British Kingdom that included the Empire of India. Exactly my point.
I have been editing this article for punctuation, grammar, and spelling errors. Here is a link to a sandbox with somepotential changes made: /info/en/?search=User:Sue91/sandbox/empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sue91 ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm copyediting this page and see the statement: "Politically, an empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled by a central authority either by a monarch (emperor, empress) or an oligarchy." Are monarchies and oligarchies the only forms of government for empires? ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 14:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
The first sentence in the last paragraph of the section titled "Early empires," states that the Maurya Empire was ruled by the Mauryan dynasty from 321 to 185 BC. However, the next sentence states that the empire was founded in 322 BC. Can someone explain the apparent discrepancy in the year when the empire was founded? ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 08:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
In the last paragraph of the Post-classical section, the text states: "In Oceania, the Tonga Empire was a lonely empire that existed for many centuries from the Medieval to the Modern period."
I don't understand what is intended by the description "lonely empire." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwajae ( talk • contribs) 21:32, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I copy-edited the section titled, "Colonial empires," but the text was confusing and needs clarification.
The first sentence states: "... proved ripe opportunities for the continent's Renaissance-era monarchies to launch colonial empires ... ." I believe that the word "continent" refers to "The Continent" or Continental Europe in this context but I hesitate to make the change without confirmation.
The second sentence, et seq., states:
In the Old World, colonial imperialism was attempted, effected, and established upon the Canary Islands and Ireland. These conquered lands and peoples became de jure subordinates of the empire, rather than de facto imperial territories and subjects. Such subjugation often elicited "client-state" resentment that the empire unwisely ignored, leading to the collapse of the European colonial imperial system in the late 19th century and the early- and mid-20th century.
In the above text, to what "empire" do references to "empire" refer? ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 22:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
The first sentence in this section reads:
In time, an empire may metamorphose to another form of polity. To wit, the Holy Roman Empire, a German re-constitution of the Roman Empire, metamorphosed into various political structures (i.e., federalism), and eventually, under Habsburg rule, re-constituted itself as the Austrian Empire, an empire of much different politics and vaster extension.
Although the sentence states: "various political structures," the parenthetical statement lists only one political structure. If the description "various" is correct, more than one political structure should be listed). ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 23:44, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
This section is written in a very different voice than the previous sections. I made some minor copy edits; however, a more substantive rewrite should be considered. ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 00:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if it's possible to fix this issue; however, in the timeline chart, the empire labels overlay each other, which makes them difficult, if not impossible, to read. ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 00:51, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
because if it is to survive at all it needs to be at least grammatically correct. Please fix it here before returning it.
Perhaps related to the above section, a couple of new editors are adding stuff to this article, without refs, and with uneven quality. Is there a WP policy covering this, beyond WP:DONTBITE? That is, do we engage them on details for each edit, or just revert everything and tell them to go read our policy pages? -- A D Monroe III ( talk) 16:51, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
the size of Greenland on the presented map is just silly.. its real area is 2 166 086 km2 compared to the African 30 221 532 km2, but on the map it looks about the same size.
Just noticed that google maps sevice is using the same sized Greenland... after some googling found that such unrealizm is a common thing because of the use of a "buggy" system - Mercator projection, [ [1]] (i'm used to a more realistic [ Robinson projection]) 00:51, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
There appears to be nothing here about the numerous empires that existed in the Americas before the arrival of the Spaniards in the 15th Century. The Triple-Alliance of the Aztecs centred on Tenochtitlan in Mexico, and the empire of the Inca of Tawantinsuyu in Peru are the most obvious, with the latter being a contender for the largest empire of the early 16th Century. But there were at least a dozen other entities throughout Mexico, Central America, and the Andes that have been called empires.
Is there a reason they have been excluded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.3.44.127 ( talk) 02:58, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
There many Empire beside Mauryan Empire in India and Nanda Empire was the first Indian empire which should also be added in Timeline -- Chuniyana ( talk) 08:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC) chuniyana
Came to this article looking for contemporary examples of empires, and found this part... intriguing: "The initial motivations for the inception of the United States eventually led to the development of this tendency, which has been perpetuated by the country-wide obsession with this national narrative. The United States was formed because colonists did not like being under control of the British Empire. Essentially, the United States was formed in an attempt to reject imperialism. This makes it very hard for people to acknowledge America’s status as an empire." Maybe it's just be, but this part of the article, which is in many ways not very well sourced, seems to be written by someone with a bone to pick. Just my $0.02; I'm certainly no expert in the field, but I am familiar with objective scholarly writing, and this certainly isn't it. CitizenOfTheInterwebs ( talk) 07:05, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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To editor Maxaxax: Is there a reason you've been adding a lot of quotes? I find the practice without merit when we've got paragraphs of them from dozens of people. Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
When I omit qoutes, I usually see "citation needed" inserted into the edit.-- Maxaxax ( talk) 00:56, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
I think I converted the passage into prose. I also tried to clarify the confusion between world government (belongs to a different article) and world empire.-- Maxaxax ( talk) 03:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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The second paragraph contains a section where the word empire is explained in a business context. This felt a little irrelevant and out of place considering it was the only sentence speaking about this, and the article already specified that it was in regards to the political and historical term. Nightdragon6834 ( talk) 01:46, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Some upfront treatment on the philosophy or general principles of "empire" is needed. Naturally empires are imperial. And "imperialism" is all-but synonymous with " hegemony," meaning its the same thing, and even dictionary definitions of "empire" define it using terms like "domination" "absolute power" and "supremacy." So adding "hegemonic" and "autocratic" to the mix is simple. That empire also tends to be aristocratic, meaning of hereditary succession form, and is associated with miltary overthrow, is additional information. - Inowen ( talk) 00:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Why does this article talk exclusively about the technical historical term? What's about the historical idea of the Empire that basically was about the legacy of Rome? The Western Empire was later referenced in the Carolingian, Holy Roman, French, Austrian and Second German Empires (not sure about Mussolini's kingdom), whereas the legacy of the Eastern Empire was the pillar for the Latin, Russian, and partially Ottoman Empires.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 18:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
"This aspiration to universality" doesn't seem to refer to anything. I suspect that either (1) there used to be some text before it that was deleted, or (2) the whole paragraph has been copy-pasted from Howe. In any case, I removed it.__ Gamren ( talk) 16:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
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I think there should be a part on this article to explain this. The French Empire was a monarchy under Emperor Napoleon but the later French Colonial Empires had a republican structure with a president. In fact on the Colonial empire article, I think France is the ONLY republic on there. I know USA has some controversy of is status as an empire but, like France, it is a republic, so it is sort of another example, I would also mention the USSR and China being empires, though they aren't monarchies they are still dictatorships. The reason why the USA and France are empires without emperors is probably because France has been a major player in world politics since the last millennium and USA has rose to great prominence last century, becoming stronger than Great Britain and France.-- 88.104.111.184 ( talk) 03:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
if "empire" can only mean "state with a head called Emperor" then Britain didn't have an empire until Queen Victoria took the title " Empress of India" (and if we want to be really picky you could argue that there never was a "British Empire", just a British Kingdom that included the Empire of India. Exactly my point.
I have been editing this article for punctuation, grammar, and spelling errors. Here is a link to a sandbox with somepotential changes made: /info/en/?search=User:Sue91/sandbox/empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sue91 ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm copyediting this page and see the statement: "Politically, an empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled by a central authority either by a monarch (emperor, empress) or an oligarchy." Are monarchies and oligarchies the only forms of government for empires? ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 14:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
The first sentence in the last paragraph of the section titled "Early empires," states that the Maurya Empire was ruled by the Mauryan dynasty from 321 to 185 BC. However, the next sentence states that the empire was founded in 322 BC. Can someone explain the apparent discrepancy in the year when the empire was founded? ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 08:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
In the last paragraph of the Post-classical section, the text states: "In Oceania, the Tonga Empire was a lonely empire that existed for many centuries from the Medieval to the Modern period."
I don't understand what is intended by the description "lonely empire." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwajae ( talk • contribs) 21:32, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I copy-edited the section titled, "Colonial empires," but the text was confusing and needs clarification.
The first sentence states: "... proved ripe opportunities for the continent's Renaissance-era monarchies to launch colonial empires ... ." I believe that the word "continent" refers to "The Continent" or Continental Europe in this context but I hesitate to make the change without confirmation.
The second sentence, et seq., states:
In the Old World, colonial imperialism was attempted, effected, and established upon the Canary Islands and Ireland. These conquered lands and peoples became de jure subordinates of the empire, rather than de facto imperial territories and subjects. Such subjugation often elicited "client-state" resentment that the empire unwisely ignored, leading to the collapse of the European colonial imperial system in the late 19th century and the early- and mid-20th century.
In the above text, to what "empire" do references to "empire" refer? ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 22:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
The first sentence in this section reads:
In time, an empire may metamorphose to another form of polity. To wit, the Holy Roman Empire, a German re-constitution of the Roman Empire, metamorphosed into various political structures (i.e., federalism), and eventually, under Habsburg rule, re-constituted itself as the Austrian Empire, an empire of much different politics and vaster extension.
Although the sentence states: "various political structures," the parenthetical statement lists only one political structure. If the description "various" is correct, more than one political structure should be listed). ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 23:44, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
This section is written in a very different voice than the previous sections. I made some minor copy edits; however, a more substantive rewrite should be considered. ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 00:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if it's possible to fix this issue; however, in the timeline chart, the empire labels overlay each other, which makes them difficult, if not impossible, to read. ˘ | ˘ Hwajae talk 00:51, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
because if it is to survive at all it needs to be at least grammatically correct. Please fix it here before returning it.
Perhaps related to the above section, a couple of new editors are adding stuff to this article, without refs, and with uneven quality. Is there a WP policy covering this, beyond WP:DONTBITE? That is, do we engage them on details for each edit, or just revert everything and tell them to go read our policy pages? -- A D Monroe III ( talk) 16:51, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
the size of Greenland on the presented map is just silly.. its real area is 2 166 086 km2 compared to the African 30 221 532 km2, but on the map it looks about the same size.
Just noticed that google maps sevice is using the same sized Greenland... after some googling found that such unrealizm is a common thing because of the use of a "buggy" system - Mercator projection, [ [1]] (i'm used to a more realistic [ Robinson projection]) 00:51, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
There appears to be nothing here about the numerous empires that existed in the Americas before the arrival of the Spaniards in the 15th Century. The Triple-Alliance of the Aztecs centred on Tenochtitlan in Mexico, and the empire of the Inca of Tawantinsuyu in Peru are the most obvious, with the latter being a contender for the largest empire of the early 16th Century. But there were at least a dozen other entities throughout Mexico, Central America, and the Andes that have been called empires.
Is there a reason they have been excluded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.3.44.127 ( talk) 02:58, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
There many Empire beside Mauryan Empire in India and Nanda Empire was the first Indian empire which should also be added in Timeline -- Chuniyana ( talk) 08:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC) chuniyana
Came to this article looking for contemporary examples of empires, and found this part... intriguing: "The initial motivations for the inception of the United States eventually led to the development of this tendency, which has been perpetuated by the country-wide obsession with this national narrative. The United States was formed because colonists did not like being under control of the British Empire. Essentially, the United States was formed in an attempt to reject imperialism. This makes it very hard for people to acknowledge America’s status as an empire." Maybe it's just be, but this part of the article, which is in many ways not very well sourced, seems to be written by someone with a bone to pick. Just my $0.02; I'm certainly no expert in the field, but I am familiar with objective scholarly writing, and this certainly isn't it. CitizenOfTheInterwebs ( talk) 07:05, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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To editor Maxaxax: Is there a reason you've been adding a lot of quotes? I find the practice without merit when we've got paragraphs of them from dozens of people. Chris Troutman ( talk) 00:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
When I omit qoutes, I usually see "citation needed" inserted into the edit.-- Maxaxax ( talk) 00:56, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
I think I converted the passage into prose. I also tried to clarify the confusion between world government (belongs to a different article) and world empire.-- Maxaxax ( talk) 03:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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The second paragraph contains a section where the word empire is explained in a business context. This felt a little irrelevant and out of place considering it was the only sentence speaking about this, and the article already specified that it was in regards to the political and historical term. Nightdragon6834 ( talk) 01:46, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Some upfront treatment on the philosophy or general principles of "empire" is needed. Naturally empires are imperial. And "imperialism" is all-but synonymous with " hegemony," meaning its the same thing, and even dictionary definitions of "empire" define it using terms like "domination" "absolute power" and "supremacy." So adding "hegemonic" and "autocratic" to the mix is simple. That empire also tends to be aristocratic, meaning of hereditary succession form, and is associated with miltary overthrow, is additional information. - Inowen ( talk) 00:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Why does this article talk exclusively about the technical historical term? What's about the historical idea of the Empire that basically was about the legacy of Rome? The Western Empire was later referenced in the Carolingian, Holy Roman, French, Austrian and Second German Empires (not sure about Mussolini's kingdom), whereas the legacy of the Eastern Empire was the pillar for the Latin, Russian, and partially Ottoman Empires.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 18:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
"This aspiration to universality" doesn't seem to refer to anything. I suspect that either (1) there used to be some text before it that was deleted, or (2) the whole paragraph has been copy-pasted from Howe. In any case, I removed it.__ Gamren ( talk) 16:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)