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Legally Parliament and the throne never officially proclaimed an "Indian Empire" -- the term was informally used for the British Raj. For that matter, "British Empire" was also an informal term. Rjensen ( talk) 17:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
The title did not come with any official role. The role of the monarch was identical before and after the 1876 act. The role of the King in India and Pakistan between 1947 and 1948 was also totally unchanged between 1948 and 1950 in India and 1948 to 1952 in Pakistan. DrKay ( talk) 15:48, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
The caption under the cartoon of Queen Victoria and Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli claims that one headgear is a crown and the other is the Coronet of an Earl. It can't be. Its rim looks wrong, but the definitive diagnosis is that it has arches holding up a central ornament (orb, sphere, finial, marble, jewel, etc.). The Coronet of the Heir Apparent (who is often also Prince of Wales and often also Duke of Cornwall, but not necessarily either of those) and the Crown of the Monarch and some spouses of Monarchs (and possibly some spouses of Heirs Apparent) have arches, but the Coronet of a noble such as an Earl does not have arches. I believe the number of arches in the cartoon are two intersecting (i.e. four half-arches springing from compass-points on the rim and all meeting at the central finial), which would eliminate any headgear other than Monarchical. The rim has fleurs-de-lis and I think crosses patonce, but not strawberry leaves. Furthermore, the title of the cartoon was "New Crowns For Old", and that wouldn't include a Coronet being exchanged. Please discuss why anyone thinks this can POSSIBLY be the Coronet of an Earl when it doesn't match ANY of the specifications of the Coronet of an Earl. Or, if you want to waste your time and mine, rig up one of those messages that reaches me the next time I access any Wikipedia article, so that I'm personally told that Comments of this kind, although 100% true and correct on the facts, are still wrong of me to type, for some hidden reason of etiquette and manner which nobody at Wikipedia will ever reveal to me. 2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 ( talk) 04:23, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
No legacy section, with a bit of balance, such as criticism of this phenomenon? Seems, from this article, like it's the most natural thing in the world. Must be many reliable sources who've thought otherwise. I'm no expert. Just asking. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 14:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
I do not agree with this re-revert & start of an edit war (with a user who should know well enough to use this page, not edit summaries, to strive for coinsensus). The people of India never proclaimed this title. Thus "self-proclaimed" can be asserted, and that, with the source citation requested, should remain for now. I will reistate it unless someone can come up with a good reason not to. That would not include Brits proclaiming titles for themselves over other countries whose populations were ignored in the matter. This is not British Imperial Wkipedia. If the Swedish prime minister proclaims that his king is Emperor of Finland. That would be self-proclaimed. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 15:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Legally Parliament and the throne never officially proclaimed an "Indian Empire" -- the term was informally used for the British Raj. For that matter, "British Empire" was also an informal term. Rjensen ( talk) 17:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
The title did not come with any official role. The role of the monarch was identical before and after the 1876 act. The role of the King in India and Pakistan between 1947 and 1948 was also totally unchanged between 1948 and 1950 in India and 1948 to 1952 in Pakistan. DrKay ( talk) 15:48, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
The caption under the cartoon of Queen Victoria and Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli claims that one headgear is a crown and the other is the Coronet of an Earl. It can't be. Its rim looks wrong, but the definitive diagnosis is that it has arches holding up a central ornament (orb, sphere, finial, marble, jewel, etc.). The Coronet of the Heir Apparent (who is often also Prince of Wales and often also Duke of Cornwall, but not necessarily either of those) and the Crown of the Monarch and some spouses of Monarchs (and possibly some spouses of Heirs Apparent) have arches, but the Coronet of a noble such as an Earl does not have arches. I believe the number of arches in the cartoon are two intersecting (i.e. four half-arches springing from compass-points on the rim and all meeting at the central finial), which would eliminate any headgear other than Monarchical. The rim has fleurs-de-lis and I think crosses patonce, but not strawberry leaves. Furthermore, the title of the cartoon was "New Crowns For Old", and that wouldn't include a Coronet being exchanged. Please discuss why anyone thinks this can POSSIBLY be the Coronet of an Earl when it doesn't match ANY of the specifications of the Coronet of an Earl. Or, if you want to waste your time and mine, rig up one of those messages that reaches me the next time I access any Wikipedia article, so that I'm personally told that Comments of this kind, although 100% true and correct on the facts, are still wrong of me to type, for some hidden reason of etiquette and manner which nobody at Wikipedia will ever reveal to me. 2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 ( talk) 04:23, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
No legacy section, with a bit of balance, such as criticism of this phenomenon? Seems, from this article, like it's the most natural thing in the world. Must be many reliable sources who've thought otherwise. I'm no expert. Just asking. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 14:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
I do not agree with this re-revert & start of an edit war (with a user who should know well enough to use this page, not edit summaries, to strive for coinsensus). The people of India never proclaimed this title. Thus "self-proclaimed" can be asserted, and that, with the source citation requested, should remain for now. I will reistate it unless someone can come up with a good reason not to. That would not include Brits proclaiming titles for themselves over other countries whose populations were ignored in the matter. This is not British Imperial Wkipedia. If the Swedish prime minister proclaims that his king is Emperor of Finland. That would be self-proclaimed. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 15:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)