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Trofobi, text about Emmelie de F's supposed "promotion" of herself as a descendant of Queen Victoria has already been removed several times from the article for reasons related to Wikipedia's policy regarding biographies of living persons, and the earlier times it wasn't even as offensively phrased as the text you have added. I presume you weren't aware of that and meant no harm, but if you study the article history and the talkpage, you will see it. I have blocked one person over this issue; please read my warnings and block message to that user here: [1] [2] [3], as I'm getting a little tired of repeating the arguments. I'm sure you meant no harm, but don't reinsert the material. I don't have time now, but tomorrow I will look more carefully at the sources for E de F's involvement in the "nazi uniforms" issue; at a glance they look unimpressive, so I've temporarily removed that paragraph as well as the "Queen Victoria" one. I may reinsert the second paragraph tomorrow, if I'm satisfied with the sources on a closer look. Sorry to come on so strong, but Wikipedia isn't in the business of harming the subjects of biographical articles. Bishonen | talk 23:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC).
"Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page".(My bolding.) If you think that refers only to criminal charges and similar, I can only direct you — again — to the policy regarding biographies of living persons. Try to cultivate a little empathy with the living person who's the subject of the article. I had only skimmed the unimpressive sources for the nazi uniform debacle, since it was the middle of the night in my timezone when my attention was drawn to your edits, but I offered to reread them later. Now I have, and there is nothing in them that suggests any personal responsibility on the part of Emmelie for any part of the incident, in fact it's only tenuously connected with her at all. I have now pending changes protected the article, so that anybody who tries to add any kind of defamatory "harmless fun facts" in the future will have to have their edit approved by a reviewer before it goes live.
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Feel free to call me Wes if you like, I don't mind. And yes, I had noticed PC2 rather than PC1, which is what I was thinking about when I suggested to you earlier - you must have read my mind :-D I need to motivate myself to improve a few Eurovision-related articles, but my vavavoom has vavagone. LOL Wesley♦ Mouse 21:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay, per agreement here, I have inserted the proposed text concerning the "lineage story." The page will remain semi-protected with the edit notice at this time to inhibit further BLP issues. I hope this discussion can now be considered closed. — CactusWriter (talk) 03:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be appropriate to remove the edit notice, Template:Editnotices/Page/Emmelie de Forest, at this point? (It expires july 1st.)-- Nø ( talk) 16:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
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Trofobi, text about Emmelie de F's supposed "promotion" of herself as a descendant of Queen Victoria has already been removed several times from the article for reasons related to Wikipedia's policy regarding biographies of living persons, and the earlier times it wasn't even as offensively phrased as the text you have added. I presume you weren't aware of that and meant no harm, but if you study the article history and the talkpage, you will see it. I have blocked one person over this issue; please read my warnings and block message to that user here: [1] [2] [3], as I'm getting a little tired of repeating the arguments. I'm sure you meant no harm, but don't reinsert the material. I don't have time now, but tomorrow I will look more carefully at the sources for E de F's involvement in the "nazi uniforms" issue; at a glance they look unimpressive, so I've temporarily removed that paragraph as well as the "Queen Victoria" one. I may reinsert the second paragraph tomorrow, if I'm satisfied with the sources on a closer look. Sorry to come on so strong, but Wikipedia isn't in the business of harming the subjects of biographical articles. Bishonen | talk 23:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC).
"Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page".(My bolding.) If you think that refers only to criminal charges and similar, I can only direct you — again — to the policy regarding biographies of living persons. Try to cultivate a little empathy with the living person who's the subject of the article. I had only skimmed the unimpressive sources for the nazi uniform debacle, since it was the middle of the night in my timezone when my attention was drawn to your edits, but I offered to reread them later. Now I have, and there is nothing in them that suggests any personal responsibility on the part of Emmelie for any part of the incident, in fact it's only tenuously connected with her at all. I have now pending changes protected the article, so that anybody who tries to add any kind of defamatory "harmless fun facts" in the future will have to have their edit approved by a reviewer before it goes live.
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Feel free to call me Wes if you like, I don't mind. And yes, I had noticed PC2 rather than PC1, which is what I was thinking about when I suggested to you earlier - you must have read my mind :-D I need to motivate myself to improve a few Eurovision-related articles, but my vavavoom has vavagone. LOL Wesley♦ Mouse 21:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay, per agreement here, I have inserted the proposed text concerning the "lineage story." The page will remain semi-protected with the edit notice at this time to inhibit further BLP issues. I hope this discussion can now be considered closed. — CactusWriter (talk) 03:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be appropriate to remove the edit notice, Template:Editnotices/Page/Emmelie de Forest, at this point? (It expires july 1st.)-- Nø ( talk) 16:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
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