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emily murphy helped the women and childern of today.
http://www.linkmeup.com/emilymurphy/
I was about to make a "Famous Five" article, but realized it already exists at "Valiant Five". So, for now, that's the name to use, to be consistent with the existing article. I always heard "Famous Five", but honestly don't know which is more popular. I guesse neither is particularly NPOV. If anybody changes it, be sure to change the main article, and all references appropriately. -- rob 5 July 2005 02:44 (UTC)
This article is in need of serious work. Very strong accusations about Murphy have been inserted without adequate citations. For example: Calling Murphy a "white supremacist" would have to be supported by a reputable source. The citation given is an article by John Akpata writing in the Ottawa Express. He doesn't call her a white supremacist in the article. The closest he comes is the following two passages:
Emily Murphy was also closely associated with the Orange Order, an organization of Irish-descended Protestants who advocated a European-based system of apartheid. They were exclusionary to Catholics, and all non-white persons, and closely associated with the Ku Klux Klan. From 1922 to 1937 the Klan was active in British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan. [1]
He says she was "closely associated with the Orange Order..." (whatever that means). Then he goes on to draw a link between the Orange Order and the KKK. Akpata gives no references to back these claims. In a paragraph on eugenics, Akpata elides to discussing the Nazi program:
The Nazis systematically murdered millions of people, based upon the ideologies of white supremacy and ethnic cleansing. Their tactics included mass murder, controlled breeding, and sterilization.
Are we to conclude from this that people who believed in eugenics (a majority in Alberta at that time), also advocated mass murder? Another thing Akpata bandies about is the idea that Murphy was somehow responsible for the introduction of legislation:
Judge Emily Murphy approved all the legislation that passed through her bench at the time, which included all of the Chinese exclusion acts, the Indian Act of 1923 and the Residential School Act of 1925. From 1923 to 1980, the Canadian government took native children off their designated reservation, to be raised by Christian-run schools and dormitories.
This is rich! Judges do not "approve" legislation. It is legislators who do that. However, judges are sworn to uphold the law and pass judgement on those charged with transgressing it. My point is that an article from a tabloid that engages in this sort of smear and inuendo does not pass as a reliable source. Therefore I am reverting these statements until someone can produce either a) direct quotes from Murphy, or b) a reliable source to support these assertions. I will begin editing for NPOV; look for reliable sources, and trust that others will join in to bring this article up to standard. Sunray 18:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
errr... thanks for the copy editing Sunray. And for putting in the references. seriously sloppy work on my part. -- TheMightyQuill 17:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm reading the Black Candle and note that her thinking is much more sophisticated than this article gives her credit for. I think it would make sense to use direct quotes from her for issues relating to eugenics, immigration and race. It is way off the mark to call her a racist. She was actually fairly innovative in her thinking, counselled against knee-jerk racism, and developed some fairly enlightened approaches to dealing with drugs. Sunray 18:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
... Dr. Erwin C. Ruth, head of the Narcotic division of the International Revenue Department of Boston... alleges that the opium and cocaine traffic is financed largely by interests in Germany and Great Britain...
Among the pedlars who are the agents of the Ring, the traffic is chiefly in the hands of Americans, Canadians, Chinese, Negroes, Russians and Italians, although the Assyrians and Greeks and running closely in the race.
It is claimed also, but with what truth we cannot say, that there is a well-defined propaganda among the aliens of color to bring about the degeneration of the white race.
Maybe, it isn't so, after all, the popular dictum which has something to do with a flag and a bulldog...
That's what I said. She's not blaming other races for the "degeneration" of the "white race," but she is concerned about the decline of the "white race." And she suggests limiting immigration to help save the "white race." I don't think it's a simplistic, knee-jerk racism, but the fact that she continously couches her arguments in racial terms, in my opinion, makes her racist. We may just have to disagree on this. -- TheMightyQuill 07:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
It may be arguable since racism is not (pardon the pun) a black and white issue, but it's not original research. I challenge you to find a modern piece of writing on Murphy that doesn't address her racism.
-- TheMightyQuill 17:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
In The Black Candle and other writings, Emily Murphy expressed stereotypical and prejudiced views about various racial and ethnic groups. Like many Anglo -Protestants of her time, Emily Murphy believed that social problems of the era, such as poverty, prostitution, alcohol and drug abuse, were linked to the influx of immigrants into western Canada. These views informed some aspects of her social and legal reform work. Collections Canada
None of the arguments here that Murphy was not a racist are in the least bit convincing. I'm not on expert on her, but have read the Black Candle and other bits about her and am somewhat familiar with the context in which she is writing. Certainly, definitions do very, and the fact that the label "racist" is perjorative may make it seem that the subject is being insulted rather than described in an encyclopedic sort of way, i.e., not in a NPOV. There is, however, enough of a consensus in the world we live in that racism is a fairly clearly-defined phenomenon, and her racism does not detract from her role in the first wave feminist movement: saying she subscribed to a racist worldview is not the same as saying she was a jerk. Maybe she was a jerk, maybe she wasn't, but that's not the issue here. Some of the arguments here sound like the validity of the concept itself is in dispute. The controversial notion here, in light of established Canadian history, is that Murphy was NOT racist. For this reason, I think those making that claim are required to produce the evidence to the contrary, and I believe that would constitute original research.
Some reasons why I don't find these arguments credible:
-one does not have to be a simplistic "knee jerk" racist to be a racist. Racists have gone to great pains to develop sophisticated analyses. Murphy was addressing an educated audience, and was trying to present a sophisticated worldview, which happened to be racist. No one's saying her racism was vulgar.
-context has little to do with it unless someone's views are being distorted by not accounting for the context in which they lived. Just because it was normal for educated, middle class women in positions of influence to subscribe to the view that, for example, the white race was threatened, does not mean that they were not racist (what exactly was posing the danger to the white race if not other races?). The term is "presentism" when you import a modern notion back to an era when that notion did not exist, and consequently misrepresent that era. That is not the case here, because the concept "race" did exist and people like Murphy subscribed to it and propagated it. It was also normal for Chinese and other non-whites to complain about racial discrimination, and occasionally, engage in acts of resistance.
-There is no question that Emily Murphy believed a) that race was a natural, biologically determined category, and b)that racial categories existed in a hierarchy and ought to be treated as such, i.e., white people were superior to non-whites, etc. This understanding is no longer accepted as valid by credible authorities on the subject - and is racist.
These issues are important because Emily Murphy was influential in the legal establishment, and therefore had a role in laws that people were forced to live under. The early war on drugs absolutely was racist and racially targeted people for discrimation. White women being lured into the drug scene by scary black men and shifty Chinamen was alarming to Murphy and others of her ilk. Perhaps she represented a step forward from the Asiatic Exclusion League because she did not feel the remedy was mob violence. In any case, the race section of the article seems more concerned with defending her from charges of racism than describing the significance of her views on race, and needs fixing. I'll give it a shot at some point when I have time, in the meantime, I welcome any good faith responses to my spiel. Cheers, Bobanny 18:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Last section -- "Due in part to her heavy advocacy of compulsory sterilization, thousands of Albertans, who were not considered to possess any intelligence, were unknowingly sterilized under the Sexual Sterilization Act of Alberta \before its repeal in 1871."
Should this be 1971? She was three years old in 1871. Blue5732 ( talk) 00:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Over at WP:420, which runs during the month of April, there's a red link for The Black Candle (book). After visiting The Black Candle, I was directed to this article where I see there is some content about the book. Would any page watcher or editors more familiar with Emily Murphy and her work care to fork out content from this article to create one specifically about the book? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:29, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
There are some errors in this section, I can only think the person who edited it hadn't read the book or purposefully misunderstood it. The book itself is freely available here
https://open.library.ubc.ca/collections/chung/chungpub/items/1.0056290#p11z-6r360F:
Page 47 is the section where the error is. The Wikipedia article mentions how Murphy is worried "black and yellow races may yet obtain the ascendancy" but page 47 clearly states she is talking about German and Russian birth rates, and within the context of drug addiction leading to infertility for women. This is just one error, from the writing style I think it is fair to assume this editor has contributed to most of this section, and so there are other errors too Oxr033 ( talk) 21:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
This article is written in Canadian English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, centre, travelled, realize, analyze) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- KenWalker | Talk 06:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
emily murphy helped the women and childern of today.
http://www.linkmeup.com/emilymurphy/
I was about to make a "Famous Five" article, but realized it already exists at "Valiant Five". So, for now, that's the name to use, to be consistent with the existing article. I always heard "Famous Five", but honestly don't know which is more popular. I guesse neither is particularly NPOV. If anybody changes it, be sure to change the main article, and all references appropriately. -- rob 5 July 2005 02:44 (UTC)
This article is in need of serious work. Very strong accusations about Murphy have been inserted without adequate citations. For example: Calling Murphy a "white supremacist" would have to be supported by a reputable source. The citation given is an article by John Akpata writing in the Ottawa Express. He doesn't call her a white supremacist in the article. The closest he comes is the following two passages:
Emily Murphy was also closely associated with the Orange Order, an organization of Irish-descended Protestants who advocated a European-based system of apartheid. They were exclusionary to Catholics, and all non-white persons, and closely associated with the Ku Klux Klan. From 1922 to 1937 the Klan was active in British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan. [1]
He says she was "closely associated with the Orange Order..." (whatever that means). Then he goes on to draw a link between the Orange Order and the KKK. Akpata gives no references to back these claims. In a paragraph on eugenics, Akpata elides to discussing the Nazi program:
The Nazis systematically murdered millions of people, based upon the ideologies of white supremacy and ethnic cleansing. Their tactics included mass murder, controlled breeding, and sterilization.
Are we to conclude from this that people who believed in eugenics (a majority in Alberta at that time), also advocated mass murder? Another thing Akpata bandies about is the idea that Murphy was somehow responsible for the introduction of legislation:
Judge Emily Murphy approved all the legislation that passed through her bench at the time, which included all of the Chinese exclusion acts, the Indian Act of 1923 and the Residential School Act of 1925. From 1923 to 1980, the Canadian government took native children off their designated reservation, to be raised by Christian-run schools and dormitories.
This is rich! Judges do not "approve" legislation. It is legislators who do that. However, judges are sworn to uphold the law and pass judgement on those charged with transgressing it. My point is that an article from a tabloid that engages in this sort of smear and inuendo does not pass as a reliable source. Therefore I am reverting these statements until someone can produce either a) direct quotes from Murphy, or b) a reliable source to support these assertions. I will begin editing for NPOV; look for reliable sources, and trust that others will join in to bring this article up to standard. Sunray 18:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
errr... thanks for the copy editing Sunray. And for putting in the references. seriously sloppy work on my part. -- TheMightyQuill 17:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm reading the Black Candle and note that her thinking is much more sophisticated than this article gives her credit for. I think it would make sense to use direct quotes from her for issues relating to eugenics, immigration and race. It is way off the mark to call her a racist. She was actually fairly innovative in her thinking, counselled against knee-jerk racism, and developed some fairly enlightened approaches to dealing with drugs. Sunray 18:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
... Dr. Erwin C. Ruth, head of the Narcotic division of the International Revenue Department of Boston... alleges that the opium and cocaine traffic is financed largely by interests in Germany and Great Britain...
Among the pedlars who are the agents of the Ring, the traffic is chiefly in the hands of Americans, Canadians, Chinese, Negroes, Russians and Italians, although the Assyrians and Greeks and running closely in the race.
It is claimed also, but with what truth we cannot say, that there is a well-defined propaganda among the aliens of color to bring about the degeneration of the white race.
Maybe, it isn't so, after all, the popular dictum which has something to do with a flag and a bulldog...
That's what I said. She's not blaming other races for the "degeneration" of the "white race," but she is concerned about the decline of the "white race." And she suggests limiting immigration to help save the "white race." I don't think it's a simplistic, knee-jerk racism, but the fact that she continously couches her arguments in racial terms, in my opinion, makes her racist. We may just have to disagree on this. -- TheMightyQuill 07:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
It may be arguable since racism is not (pardon the pun) a black and white issue, but it's not original research. I challenge you to find a modern piece of writing on Murphy that doesn't address her racism.
-- TheMightyQuill 17:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
In The Black Candle and other writings, Emily Murphy expressed stereotypical and prejudiced views about various racial and ethnic groups. Like many Anglo -Protestants of her time, Emily Murphy believed that social problems of the era, such as poverty, prostitution, alcohol and drug abuse, were linked to the influx of immigrants into western Canada. These views informed some aspects of her social and legal reform work. Collections Canada
None of the arguments here that Murphy was not a racist are in the least bit convincing. I'm not on expert on her, but have read the Black Candle and other bits about her and am somewhat familiar with the context in which she is writing. Certainly, definitions do very, and the fact that the label "racist" is perjorative may make it seem that the subject is being insulted rather than described in an encyclopedic sort of way, i.e., not in a NPOV. There is, however, enough of a consensus in the world we live in that racism is a fairly clearly-defined phenomenon, and her racism does not detract from her role in the first wave feminist movement: saying she subscribed to a racist worldview is not the same as saying she was a jerk. Maybe she was a jerk, maybe she wasn't, but that's not the issue here. Some of the arguments here sound like the validity of the concept itself is in dispute. The controversial notion here, in light of established Canadian history, is that Murphy was NOT racist. For this reason, I think those making that claim are required to produce the evidence to the contrary, and I believe that would constitute original research.
Some reasons why I don't find these arguments credible:
-one does not have to be a simplistic "knee jerk" racist to be a racist. Racists have gone to great pains to develop sophisticated analyses. Murphy was addressing an educated audience, and was trying to present a sophisticated worldview, which happened to be racist. No one's saying her racism was vulgar.
-context has little to do with it unless someone's views are being distorted by not accounting for the context in which they lived. Just because it was normal for educated, middle class women in positions of influence to subscribe to the view that, for example, the white race was threatened, does not mean that they were not racist (what exactly was posing the danger to the white race if not other races?). The term is "presentism" when you import a modern notion back to an era when that notion did not exist, and consequently misrepresent that era. That is not the case here, because the concept "race" did exist and people like Murphy subscribed to it and propagated it. It was also normal for Chinese and other non-whites to complain about racial discrimination, and occasionally, engage in acts of resistance.
-There is no question that Emily Murphy believed a) that race was a natural, biologically determined category, and b)that racial categories existed in a hierarchy and ought to be treated as such, i.e., white people were superior to non-whites, etc. This understanding is no longer accepted as valid by credible authorities on the subject - and is racist.
These issues are important because Emily Murphy was influential in the legal establishment, and therefore had a role in laws that people were forced to live under. The early war on drugs absolutely was racist and racially targeted people for discrimation. White women being lured into the drug scene by scary black men and shifty Chinamen was alarming to Murphy and others of her ilk. Perhaps she represented a step forward from the Asiatic Exclusion League because she did not feel the remedy was mob violence. In any case, the race section of the article seems more concerned with defending her from charges of racism than describing the significance of her views on race, and needs fixing. I'll give it a shot at some point when I have time, in the meantime, I welcome any good faith responses to my spiel. Cheers, Bobanny 18:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Last section -- "Due in part to her heavy advocacy of compulsory sterilization, thousands of Albertans, who were not considered to possess any intelligence, were unknowingly sterilized under the Sexual Sterilization Act of Alberta \before its repeal in 1871."
Should this be 1971? She was three years old in 1871. Blue5732 ( talk) 00:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Over at WP:420, which runs during the month of April, there's a red link for The Black Candle (book). After visiting The Black Candle, I was directed to this article where I see there is some content about the book. Would any page watcher or editors more familiar with Emily Murphy and her work care to fork out content from this article to create one specifically about the book? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:29, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
There are some errors in this section, I can only think the person who edited it hadn't read the book or purposefully misunderstood it. The book itself is freely available here
https://open.library.ubc.ca/collections/chung/chungpub/items/1.0056290#p11z-6r360F:
Page 47 is the section where the error is. The Wikipedia article mentions how Murphy is worried "black and yellow races may yet obtain the ascendancy" but page 47 clearly states she is talking about German and Russian birth rates, and within the context of drug addiction leading to infertility for women. This is just one error, from the writing style I think it is fair to assume this editor has contributed to most of this section, and so there are other errors too Oxr033 ( talk) 21:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)