This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Emily Hobhouse article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
The article states: "In this article just one photograph of those who suffered and died in the camps has been included (in following paragraph covering the Bloemfontein Camp) - no more than one photograph in the article is included because the quoted words of Emily Hobhouse are descriptive enough in themselves to evoke in the reader a feeling for the grief and pain of those who suffered and died.
More images would be gratuitous and would fail to respect the tragic losses and suffering of those caught up in the tragedy and would not help to show the due sympathy and respect for the feelings of their descendants."
This is clearly a violation of Wikipedia policies concerning photographic documents, neutrality and censorship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.160.72.231 ( talk) 11:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
The SAS Emily Hobhouse article's section on SAS Emily Hobhouse being renamed Umkhonto implied (without clearly and explicitly stating) that she is a controversial figure in today's post-apartheid South Africa, or at least was in 1994. Is this correct, and did she do anything to deserve this (perhaps through allegedly only caring about suffering whites, or something like that)? I note that in 2004, President Thabo Mbeki quoted a 1914 speech of hers that seems critical of Boer attitudes to Black South Africans, but did her actions in 1900-1902 differ from her words in 1914? Or was it just the submarine itself that was comtroversial due to its operational history, perhaps particularly its role in a 1972 raid on Dar Es Salaam? Tlhslobus ( talk) 03:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Also, was there ever any controversy about the appropriateness of 'honouring' a supposed ' peace activist' by naming a warship after her? Tlhslobus ( talk) 06:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Emily Hobhouse/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs serious layout editing. Lacks infobox, persondata and references. The article gets a B grade based solely on the contents as such. -
Duribald 05:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The references all seem to be in place given that the blocks of quoted speech are Hobhouse's own words, transcribed from her writings, attributed. The persondata on Emily Hobhouse are given in several sections. Whst would you like to read in the infobox ? Thanks Kbservices 21:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
|
Last edited at 15:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 14:26, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
The extracts from her writings are excessive. They should form a separate wiki page. Valetude ( talk) 05:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The entry has a line "was collected by Mrs. President Steyn (who was to remain a lifelong friend) and sent to Hobhouse for this purpose. "
Although she was married to M.T. Steyn, last president of the Free State Republic, her given names were Rachel Isabella (Tibbie). Could this be edited please?
There's a detailed entry on her life in the Afrikaans Wikipedia ( https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Isabella_Steyn). Her name also appears in the English entry on President M.T. Steyn /info/en/?search=Martinus_Theunis_Steyn NoiseJammer ( talk) 16:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Emily Hobhouse article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
The article states: "In this article just one photograph of those who suffered and died in the camps has been included (in following paragraph covering the Bloemfontein Camp) - no more than one photograph in the article is included because the quoted words of Emily Hobhouse are descriptive enough in themselves to evoke in the reader a feeling for the grief and pain of those who suffered and died.
More images would be gratuitous and would fail to respect the tragic losses and suffering of those caught up in the tragedy and would not help to show the due sympathy and respect for the feelings of their descendants."
This is clearly a violation of Wikipedia policies concerning photographic documents, neutrality and censorship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.160.72.231 ( talk) 11:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
The SAS Emily Hobhouse article's section on SAS Emily Hobhouse being renamed Umkhonto implied (without clearly and explicitly stating) that she is a controversial figure in today's post-apartheid South Africa, or at least was in 1994. Is this correct, and did she do anything to deserve this (perhaps through allegedly only caring about suffering whites, or something like that)? I note that in 2004, President Thabo Mbeki quoted a 1914 speech of hers that seems critical of Boer attitudes to Black South Africans, but did her actions in 1900-1902 differ from her words in 1914? Or was it just the submarine itself that was comtroversial due to its operational history, perhaps particularly its role in a 1972 raid on Dar Es Salaam? Tlhslobus ( talk) 03:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Also, was there ever any controversy about the appropriateness of 'honouring' a supposed ' peace activist' by naming a warship after her? Tlhslobus ( talk) 06:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Emily Hobhouse/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs serious layout editing. Lacks infobox, persondata and references. The article gets a B grade based solely on the contents as such. -
Duribald 05:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The references all seem to be in place given that the blocks of quoted speech are Hobhouse's own words, transcribed from her writings, attributed. The persondata on Emily Hobhouse are given in several sections. Whst would you like to read in the infobox ? Thanks Kbservices 21:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
|
Last edited at 15:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 14:26, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
The extracts from her writings are excessive. They should form a separate wiki page. Valetude ( talk) 05:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
The entry has a line "was collected by Mrs. President Steyn (who was to remain a lifelong friend) and sent to Hobhouse for this purpose. "
Although she was married to M.T. Steyn, last president of the Free State Republic, her given names were Rachel Isabella (Tibbie). Could this be edited please?
There's a detailed entry on her life in the Afrikaans Wikipedia ( https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Isabella_Steyn). Her name also appears in the English entry on President M.T. Steyn /info/en/?search=Martinus_Theunis_Steyn NoiseJammer ( talk) 16:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)