This wiki needs a major edit and clean up. Very unorganized.
I second this. I'll try to see if we can't move some stuff around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ender666999 ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Uh, ya think? Of course this site needs to be cleaned!!!~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Haha, yeh I agree completely. I don't really think it needs to be cleaned up because it is unorganised, it needs a clean up because half of it is wrong. Emma kenny ( talk) 10:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
she is just one of many other money grabbing "stars"! what a flag... 188.21.126.98 ( talk) 06:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
There is no torturing of rats by EA. She loves them with all her heart. -CorrectingDumbPRS
i think we should write something about it here on wikipedia, so that there is anything "true" about her i have different sources about it. 188.45.15.15 ( talk) 13:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC) I argee this must be added! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.58.189.247 ( talk) 22:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
It should not be mentioned as there was no torture involved. They were just breifly on stage how does that qualify as torturing them? 68.192.55.21 ( talk) 01:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
She has cyanide lipstick and proceeds to kiss them! close enough! 70.234.188.168 ( talk) 22:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Seeing as my other comment was removed because of "Vandalism" I will re-edit it in a less vandalising manner. I really don't see how you would want to write that about her, seeing as she loves those rats and they mean the world to her, she would never hurt them. She is a vegan and would never hurt any animal, but especially not those rats, if you read her book you will find out how much they mean to her and also why they mean so much to her. So no you should definitely not write on this page that she tortured her rats, as it is completely false, maybe you should actually write how much she adores her little ratties!! Emma kenny ( talk) 07:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I totally agree with Emma. And if you, the people who are being stupid just for the fun of it, were her LOYAL muffins, you would know that.~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Instead of just saying how amazing she is and how she wouldn't hurt anyone and how stupid the people who said she might be hurting her rats, let me explain, all that happened is that she was holding them quite gently on stage, the speakers point towards the audience and it's very quiet on stage (hence the need for ear monitors) and Emilie would have known this having been on stage countless times. -- Yayamaya ( talk) 18:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The page says that she became interested in Early Music, which it claims has something to do with baroque and renaissance music. This is incorrect. Early Music refers to European music from before the Renaissance. Also, I removed the advertisement for a concert. That clearly does not belong here.
Actually no, early music do includes renaissance and sometimes baroque, although it's arguable weather if baroque fits in early music, renaissance music as medieval are considerated the western music before common practice, which is the definition of early music. 187.155.8.164 ( talk) 21:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Then nothing is really a "valid" genre because SOMEONE made all of those up too. If Victoriandustrial is the genre EA wants to be put into, let her. She invented it. It's real as anyother genre out there invented by other musicians/fans. -CorrectingDumbPRS
I believe she calls it "violindustrial", but I will have to go look for a quote.
Heres a pic, where it can be seen: http://www.emilieautumn.com/img/LUMySpace.jpg
I deleted "Victoriandustrial" and "Violindustrial" from the article, as when you get down to it, they're just examples of things someone made up one day. Google searches and the like don't turn up any references outside of social networking and music-sharing sites. It wouldn't be bad to put something like "Suchandsuch coined the terms 'Victoriandustrial' and 'violindustrial' to describe her music" if someone can find a reference for it, but they aren't valid genre terms.-- Halloween jack 18:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
She herself has used the terms “victoriandustrial” and “violindustrial”. 80.35.16.144 ( talk) 21:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
She has made up both "victoriandustrial" and "violindustrial" and these are what she says her music fits under, seeing as her music doesn't really fit into any one genre. It is true that they are both made up but why can you not just write that on the page, like you know say that she made up those two terms to explain what her music is, because that is the truth is it not?? I am pretty sure that is what other websites that has info about her says. I just don't see why you would remove them seeing as she always uses those terms, when explaining her music, and her fashion as well. Emma kenny ( talk) 07:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
It is still something made up and not a valid genre. Many artists make up words to describe themselves and it's not in the genre list because it isn't a real genre and Emilie is not special in that regard.-- Yayamaya ( talk) 10:40, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Fleshed out early life section, added details of contributions to the works of other artists and compilations, added picture, added references.
Needed: continuation of work on biographical details, particularly information about her time with Courtney Love (must have references). Some detail on the "Opheliac" phrase (whole page could be made for the album and the origins of the term) incorporating the Asylum and other borrowed Victorian ideas and terms (this can all go between Biography and TV performances). Update of links section.
Claire O'Malley 03:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
What is it with this "Fritzges" crap? Her last name is LIDDELL. How many times has she told us this? Come on now. -CorrectingDumbPRS
Is Emilie Autumn her real name or a stage name? ~ MDD 46 96 04:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC) It's a stage one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.117.232 ( talk) 08:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Its her real name, not her whole name though but if I remember correctly on her forum it was mentioned Autumn is actually her middle name as she was born in Autumn and her last name is unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.154.166 ( talk) 15:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Her last name is Liddell. She mentioned it at the Chicago Tea Party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.113.77 ( talk) 04:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
TyphoidMary89 ( talk) 22:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)That makes me think that Fritzges may have been her father's last name (since she's said that he was German), and she's choosing to use her mother's last name. That isn't unusual at all, and it is a choice a person can legally make. Also, why is it that her word can't always be trusted? I would think that, in reference to herself, her word would be more trustworthy than many other things on the internet. It is possible that she's changed her legal last name from her legal birth name, people do it all the time.
Or use her autobiographical book "The Asylum for Wayward Victorian Girls" as a source.
On page four paragraph four she states "[The plastic hospital bracelet] already has my name on it. Emilie Autumn Liddell. Yes, that Liddell. You can see now why I don't use that name." (actually "that" is underlined but I don't know how to underline in wikis).
There are other references to it as well, but that should be clear enough.
Seeing how this is in an actual published book it must be considered a good source, don't it?
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Her real name is "Emily Autumn Fritzges", and she's born in 1977, not 1979... 195.176.0.201 ( talk) 13:42, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
From what I can tell, Emilie's birth name is Emily Frizges, old paypal invoces had this name on them and looking here, this looks very much like it's her. http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/preview/peoplesearch.do?searchMode=search&searchCallMode=direct&searchMName=A&searchLName=Fritzges&searchState=IL&searchCity=Chicago&searchFName=E&adID=158-0000000020&adsource=158&TID=5&searchtab=home -- Yayamaya ( talk) 13:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Someone please for the love of god, change her last name and add in it's PROPER name. ~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
^ I second that completely, and can you also change her birth date to the correct year which is 1979, seeing as she is NOT 33, she is 31!! And I really don't understand how this http://www.ssjentertainment.com/ebayphotos/RandomRecords/113009/emilieautumn.jpg proves that she was born in 1977. All it is, is a CD cover, I would really appreciate it if you could tell me how that proves that she was born in 1977. Emma kenny ( talk) 10:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
There is far more proof that is not just word of Emilie (which cannot always be trusted) to Frizges and 1977. Please look at what you are shown before blowing it off as false. On the back of the cover date of birth and death is given for all composers and for Emilie only date of birth as she is not dead next to Revelry and it says B.1977-- Yayamaya ( talk) 18:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The point being is the evidence points to the point that Emilie Autumn is in fact Emilie Fritzges, which if true points to the fact she was born in 1977 as Emilie Fritzges was. Wikipedia is about truth, of the real person behind Emilie Autumn, not the persona Emilie tries to wrap around herself. If you want the history on the persona then yes, you can read her book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMadcapSyd ( talk • contribs) 18:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC) TheMadcapSyd ( talk) 18:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi umm I wasn't blowing off the evidence about her being born in 1977, I just didn't see the date next to Revelry and I didn't understand how the cover proved it. Which was why I asked you to explain how it proved that she was born in 1977. Emma kenny ( talk) 07:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I know I've never posted on wiki before but reading this article ( http://www.bizarremag.com/entertainment/interviews/9292/emilie_autumn.html ) published this month, it says in the 6th paragraph (including the bold one) she is 30. This would mean that she was born in 1979 not 1977. Just trying to add more info. The article also has some other info that could be used as a source. I also believe that Fritzges may be her birth surname but she has stated that Liddell is her legal surname. Could it be possible that she has had it legally changed from one to the other? Again, just speculation Goodbyegothgirlx ( talk) 19:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello there, I am sure her last name is not Liddell. I attended one of her concerts (in Germany) where she pointed out that her father is from Germany and her surname is German, too. Liddell is not a German name, but Fritzges is. Another fan who works at a cosmetics counter in Chicago encountered her a few times, and though she did not want to give out Emilie's real name, she said that it's actually spelled "Emily", Autumn is her real second name, and her surname sounded German. Emily Autumn Fritzges. I guess there we have it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.241.95.197 ( talk) 01:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Why is Liddell being used as her birth name? I thought we were sure that her birth name is in fact not Liddell...-- 68.192.55.21 ( talk) 18:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Actually, she has stated several times that her legal name IS Liddell. It also says it in the book. -- Lolitamuse ( talk) 18:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
HERE IT IS! Birth name: Emilie (or Emily) Autumn Fritzges. Source:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ekDbVM2Bfc0J:articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto+%22jan+fritzges%22&cd=1&hl=pl&ct=clnk&client=safari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.176.0.201 ( talk) 09:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Are you serious? Do you really think Nigel Kennedy knows another violin player with the name "Autumn" ?! And that person has a german father too? And was also 19 at that time? And has exactly that name EA is denying to have? And - what a coincidence! - there's a word filter on her fan-forum which changes that name automatically to "liddell"? If there WAS such a person named Autumn Fritzges who IS NOT Emilie Autumn, why couldn't we talk about THAT violinist - who has the same age, a german father and knows Nigel Kennedy, no, even more: is a FAN of him - on EAs forum without having the name automatically changed to EAs name?!! Come on, this whole thing's becoming ridiculous! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.87.54 ( talk) 16:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Someone has kept changing the genre to Dark Cabaret, Electropop and Metal. I agree with Dark Cabaret but i do not believe that electropop and metal are the genres of her music, Emilie herself has said its dark cabaret and industrial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darklight179 ( talk • contribs) 15:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
An electronic violin sounds like a Heavy Metal guitar? On the MySpace site she descibes their music as Metal (and also Industrial, but there is no Industrial music on their albums). -- Ada Kataki ( talk) 19:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, thank god we have come to a compromise. Electronic music is a bit vague and all-encompassing, but at least there will be no more edit war. The Proctor Doctor ( talk) 01:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Emilie Autumn is also often referred to as Dark Wave. Her sound is similar to other modern Dark Wave bands like RazorBladeKisses and L'Ame Immortelle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blade1313 ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be fair to add stempunk; she describes her music as victorianindustrial which is in one or other another way to say stempunk. Also the use of the Harpsichord with electronic effects and the electric violin really gives to it an steampunk sound... If anyone disagrees let us know befor deleting it. 187.155.7.226 ( talk) 00:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Industrial is an umbrella term of genre, there are many different types of industrial in the world....there are industrial influences in her music....but like I said its a very umbrella term for a varied genre. - J.D.
I hope the mods aren't getting TOO frustrated. The "vandalism's" all in good fun, at her own encouragement. 166.82.100.66 ( talk) 05:01, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
She told us to. Check her Twitter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyrastar123 ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Yikes. She apparently did. [3] Kaguya-chan ( talk) 21:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Quote: Yes, I did ask the PRs to fuck up my Wikipedia page! It was a challenge! And they rocked it! 11:10 AM Nov 16th from web
such a stupid challenge! wikipedia is free for everyone and not the asylum from emilie autumn, when anybody finds a source on the internet, he/she can edit it. i think emilie is just angry because fame didnt enter in her life... ;) 77.119.33.214 ( talk) 17:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
"A lot", is an understatement, hun :)~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Source needed for: "She also is obsessed with the plague and rats. She has two rats named Sir Edward and Basil." Kaguya-chan ( talk) 17:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Do not know if this is accepted, but it includes a pic of EA with Sir Edward and Basil.
http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21881
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Due to the serious biographies of living persons issues with this article, namely the poor quality of referencing, I have stubbed this article removing the bulk of the text. Future additions must be supported by reliable sources such as articles in professional third party magazines and newspapers. Through a preliminary Google search I have been unable to find much reliable coverage of the topic, but if anyone is aware of such coverage, please post links here and I would be happy to integrate the content. Any attempts to restore poorly-sourced content will not be tolerated, and may result in the page being protected from editing or persistent violators having their editing privileges revoked. Sincerely, Skomorokh 15:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if Emilies own journal entries on her official forum could be used as sources? Here is the link: http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewforum.php?f=2 She was also in the latest Gothic beauty magazine, so anyone who has that could use it as a source. Can be ordered from here: http://www.gothicbeauty.com
Also, I wonder if interviews you can watch at youtube, which CLEARLY shows that it is she answering the questions, would be acceptable as sources? If that is so there is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu47z5Poajk ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x3hyzeF9T4 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fH0w0E579I&feature=related : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CffbccbOX2A : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOeNIag7SM&feature=related Thesaya ( talk) 11:27, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
New interview today: http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/entertainmentnews/Music-saved-life-Emilie-Autumn/article-1763548-detail/article.html Thesaya ( talk) 06:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Yay for new interview! I think that Emilie's journal entries could be used since she is the author. Kaguya-chan ( talk) 20:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
About the guest vocals on Attrition I doubt EA want them here since they were used without her authorisation. I do not have a so called "reliable" source for this, only what was on the top of every page in her forum for a VERY long time. The author of the post is TallyHooTrain, EA's former booker and contact at Trisol. http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6173&start=0&hilit=attrition
While it is not possible to find a "reliable" source, I do think you could take this part out at least, even if not writing about the conflict itself. Thesaya ( talk) 09:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Emilie has a huge fan base, and all the fans arem referred to as either 'muffins' or 'plague rats'. Should this not be included on the wiki page? Fans are a crucial part of any artists development, and the fact that we are different to most other fans means that we should be included.
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Those are her /groupies/ not fans!
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How are they groupies and not fans? -- Yayamaya ( talk) 12:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
^ Yeh, exactly, how are they her groupies and not her fans??? If you ask her and all of her fans they would all tell you that she calls her fans either "Plague Rats" or "Muffins". Also go to her website, in all of her journal entries she calls us Plague Rats and sometimes Muffins. The "Plague Rats" are generally those who are in the Asylum Army (which does not mean they are groupies, just means that they are more committed to her and spreading the plague) and then "Muffins" are usually the fans that haven't know her for long or are just not that 'into' her. But either way they are still fans. Emma kenny ( talk) 09:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, and if you WERE into her, you would fucking know that.~GothicVampiress
Will you stop bitching at everyone on the discussion page, it adds nothing. And just because they say something like that doesn't mean that they aren't 'into' Emilie. They are at there core just names for a fanbase, and are used interchangably. Please don't make things up without having a citation to prove it.-- Yayamaya ( talk) 18:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
I consider myself to be a very big fan, thank you and I was not/ being serious at all thank you-prettybarf/what ever my thing is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.169.45 ( talk) 03:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
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Are you being serious, right now? Her LAST name needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
And the year in which she was born in needs to be changed, and the fact that you have put the guitar under instruments she plays needs to be changed, she has never played a guitar in any of her albums, and you have put that she quite school when she was 9, when in fact she quit when she was 10. Also the odd mentioning of her being bi-polar needs to be changed, not the fact that she is bi-polar because I know that she is in fact bi-polar but just the way it is stated is a bit weird, could it be said a little nicer, and not just chucked at the bottom of the bio section. It just seems a little off to me. Emma kenny ( talk) 10:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Umm, yes I know but she doesn't play the guitar! I thought that the list was for instruments that she herself plays, but if not then ok leave the guitar there then. Emma kenny ( talk) 08:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
She does play guitar. She may not play it herself on any records but she plays it nonetheless. For example, in the 'Crafters Coast to Coast' episode she is in, you can clearly see that she owns several guitars. VV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.62.196 ( talk) 09:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I do apologise but I have never seen that before, the thing is that on her website (batteredrose.com) in the FAQ it was stated that E.A plays the following instruments; violin, viola, viola de gamba, harpsichord, and piano. Also could it be possible that those guitars were not actually hers? I am not trying to pick an argument with you but I am just saying seeing as she has never actually played the guitar in public where as she always plays the violin and harpsichord and all of those in public, maybe the guitars in that show were not hers. Emma kenny ( talk) 12:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
She has stated that she does play guitar and that was how she wrote The Art of Suicide. And even if she doesn't play it, it is featured in her music prominently in a number of songs-- Yayamaya ( talk) 16:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Also Battered Rose is only a fansite, not EA's official site.-- Yayamaya ( talk) 13:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Emmy kenny, the part where you said she left school at ten is wrong. Emilie herself said "I quit normal person school at nine so that I could have time to practice for nine hours a day in a practice room every day with out fail." Direct quote from an interview with Shred News. Kaguya-chan ( talk) 13:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
^ Oh ok well that is really weird because in a interview that I watched she said that she left at the age of ten?? Emma kenny ( talk) 13:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to add to this. There may not be a citation for 'Lidell' or whatever it is as her surname, but is there a reference for the surname that appears on the page? And is there a citation for spelling her name with a 'y',. There may be, but nothing has been noted on the oage. For all this 'you need a reference' crap, you're being a bit crap in yourselves... ;) -PlagueRattyRat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.202.17 ( talk) 15:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
How about you look above in the section about her real name where it's explained?-- Yayamaya ( talk) 10:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I would also like to say that the guitars in Crafters from Cost to Cost most likely belonged to her boyfriend at the time... If someone could help me find the source, that would be great, but between the Enchant and Opheliac era, Emilie lived with her boyfriend who was a guitarist. (You can see this from her old journal entries and from the Asylum Book). Also, on the Opheliac Companion, she explained that she played enough guitar to just strum and couldn't bar most chords. Her producer, Inkydust, had to play the guitar for her. It's very, very likely that he played the guitar for her on her albums. 68.32.16.59 ( talk) 13:16, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
^ Thankyou!!!!! And to Kaguya - chan I will try to find the link to that interview for you, but it might take a while not sure which one it was in, lol. Emma kenny ( talk) 06:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC) I found the interview, the link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LeO2xc73_k, She mentions it at around at around 15:40. Emma kenny ( talk) 07:08, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
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Her last name is actually Fritzges. There is absolutely no proof that she is related to Alice Liddel, nor a direct decendant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.87.74.231 ( talk) 20:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
http://articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto Towards the middle, she's mentioned as Autumn Fritzges, she's also mentioned the scar from the eel bite here http://www.4gm.nl/game-masters-topmenu-27/450.html. -- 68.192.36.89 ( talk) 17:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | \-> This link is better: http://www.4gm.nl/game-masters-topmenu-27/450-emilie-autumn-reportage.html
Given that there is now a style section, surely it is worth mentioning the whole victoriandustrial thing. I'm sure there must be a million sources saying that she at least describes her music as such. 92.1.251.145 ( talk) 14:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
This wiki needs a major edit and clean up. Very unorganized.
I second this. I'll try to see if we can't move some stuff around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ender666999 ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Uh, ya think? Of course this site needs to be cleaned!!!~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Haha, yeh I agree completely. I don't really think it needs to be cleaned up because it is unorganised, it needs a clean up because half of it is wrong. Emma kenny ( talk) 10:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
she is just one of many other money grabbing "stars"! what a flag... 188.21.126.98 ( talk) 06:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
There is no torturing of rats by EA. She loves them with all her heart. -CorrectingDumbPRS
i think we should write something about it here on wikipedia, so that there is anything "true" about her i have different sources about it. 188.45.15.15 ( talk) 13:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC) I argee this must be added! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.58.189.247 ( talk) 22:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
It should not be mentioned as there was no torture involved. They were just breifly on stage how does that qualify as torturing them? 68.192.55.21 ( talk) 01:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
She has cyanide lipstick and proceeds to kiss them! close enough! 70.234.188.168 ( talk) 22:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Seeing as my other comment was removed because of "Vandalism" I will re-edit it in a less vandalising manner. I really don't see how you would want to write that about her, seeing as she loves those rats and they mean the world to her, she would never hurt them. She is a vegan and would never hurt any animal, but especially not those rats, if you read her book you will find out how much they mean to her and also why they mean so much to her. So no you should definitely not write on this page that she tortured her rats, as it is completely false, maybe you should actually write how much she adores her little ratties!! Emma kenny ( talk) 07:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I totally agree with Emma. And if you, the people who are being stupid just for the fun of it, were her LOYAL muffins, you would know that.~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Instead of just saying how amazing she is and how she wouldn't hurt anyone and how stupid the people who said she might be hurting her rats, let me explain, all that happened is that she was holding them quite gently on stage, the speakers point towards the audience and it's very quiet on stage (hence the need for ear monitors) and Emilie would have known this having been on stage countless times. -- Yayamaya ( talk) 18:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The page says that she became interested in Early Music, which it claims has something to do with baroque and renaissance music. This is incorrect. Early Music refers to European music from before the Renaissance. Also, I removed the advertisement for a concert. That clearly does not belong here.
Actually no, early music do includes renaissance and sometimes baroque, although it's arguable weather if baroque fits in early music, renaissance music as medieval are considerated the western music before common practice, which is the definition of early music. 187.155.8.164 ( talk) 21:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Then nothing is really a "valid" genre because SOMEONE made all of those up too. If Victoriandustrial is the genre EA wants to be put into, let her. She invented it. It's real as anyother genre out there invented by other musicians/fans. -CorrectingDumbPRS
I believe she calls it "violindustrial", but I will have to go look for a quote.
Heres a pic, where it can be seen: http://www.emilieautumn.com/img/LUMySpace.jpg
I deleted "Victoriandustrial" and "Violindustrial" from the article, as when you get down to it, they're just examples of things someone made up one day. Google searches and the like don't turn up any references outside of social networking and music-sharing sites. It wouldn't be bad to put something like "Suchandsuch coined the terms 'Victoriandustrial' and 'violindustrial' to describe her music" if someone can find a reference for it, but they aren't valid genre terms.-- Halloween jack 18:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
She herself has used the terms “victoriandustrial” and “violindustrial”. 80.35.16.144 ( talk) 21:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
She has made up both "victoriandustrial" and "violindustrial" and these are what she says her music fits under, seeing as her music doesn't really fit into any one genre. It is true that they are both made up but why can you not just write that on the page, like you know say that she made up those two terms to explain what her music is, because that is the truth is it not?? I am pretty sure that is what other websites that has info about her says. I just don't see why you would remove them seeing as she always uses those terms, when explaining her music, and her fashion as well. Emma kenny ( talk) 07:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
It is still something made up and not a valid genre. Many artists make up words to describe themselves and it's not in the genre list because it isn't a real genre and Emilie is not special in that regard.-- Yayamaya ( talk) 10:40, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Fleshed out early life section, added details of contributions to the works of other artists and compilations, added picture, added references.
Needed: continuation of work on biographical details, particularly information about her time with Courtney Love (must have references). Some detail on the "Opheliac" phrase (whole page could be made for the album and the origins of the term) incorporating the Asylum and other borrowed Victorian ideas and terms (this can all go between Biography and TV performances). Update of links section.
Claire O'Malley 03:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
What is it with this "Fritzges" crap? Her last name is LIDDELL. How many times has she told us this? Come on now. -CorrectingDumbPRS
Is Emilie Autumn her real name or a stage name? ~ MDD 46 96 04:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC) It's a stage one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.117.232 ( talk) 08:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Its her real name, not her whole name though but if I remember correctly on her forum it was mentioned Autumn is actually her middle name as she was born in Autumn and her last name is unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.154.166 ( talk) 15:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Her last name is Liddell. She mentioned it at the Chicago Tea Party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.113.77 ( talk) 04:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
TyphoidMary89 ( talk) 22:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)That makes me think that Fritzges may have been her father's last name (since she's said that he was German), and she's choosing to use her mother's last name. That isn't unusual at all, and it is a choice a person can legally make. Also, why is it that her word can't always be trusted? I would think that, in reference to herself, her word would be more trustworthy than many other things on the internet. It is possible that she's changed her legal last name from her legal birth name, people do it all the time.
Or use her autobiographical book "The Asylum for Wayward Victorian Girls" as a source.
On page four paragraph four she states "[The plastic hospital bracelet] already has my name on it. Emilie Autumn Liddell. Yes, that Liddell. You can see now why I don't use that name." (actually "that" is underlined but I don't know how to underline in wikis).
There are other references to it as well, but that should be clear enough.
Seeing how this is in an actual published book it must be considered a good source, don't it?
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Her real name is "Emily Autumn Fritzges", and she's born in 1977, not 1979... 195.176.0.201 ( talk) 13:42, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
From what I can tell, Emilie's birth name is Emily Frizges, old paypal invoces had this name on them and looking here, this looks very much like it's her. http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/preview/peoplesearch.do?searchMode=search&searchCallMode=direct&searchMName=A&searchLName=Fritzges&searchState=IL&searchCity=Chicago&searchFName=E&adID=158-0000000020&adsource=158&TID=5&searchtab=home -- Yayamaya ( talk) 13:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Someone please for the love of god, change her last name and add in it's PROPER name. ~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
^ I second that completely, and can you also change her birth date to the correct year which is 1979, seeing as she is NOT 33, she is 31!! And I really don't understand how this http://www.ssjentertainment.com/ebayphotos/RandomRecords/113009/emilieautumn.jpg proves that she was born in 1977. All it is, is a CD cover, I would really appreciate it if you could tell me how that proves that she was born in 1977. Emma kenny ( talk) 10:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
There is far more proof that is not just word of Emilie (which cannot always be trusted) to Frizges and 1977. Please look at what you are shown before blowing it off as false. On the back of the cover date of birth and death is given for all composers and for Emilie only date of birth as she is not dead next to Revelry and it says B.1977-- Yayamaya ( talk) 18:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The point being is the evidence points to the point that Emilie Autumn is in fact Emilie Fritzges, which if true points to the fact she was born in 1977 as Emilie Fritzges was. Wikipedia is about truth, of the real person behind Emilie Autumn, not the persona Emilie tries to wrap around herself. If you want the history on the persona then yes, you can read her book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMadcapSyd ( talk • contribs) 18:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC) TheMadcapSyd ( talk) 18:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi umm I wasn't blowing off the evidence about her being born in 1977, I just didn't see the date next to Revelry and I didn't understand how the cover proved it. Which was why I asked you to explain how it proved that she was born in 1977. Emma kenny ( talk) 07:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I know I've never posted on wiki before but reading this article ( http://www.bizarremag.com/entertainment/interviews/9292/emilie_autumn.html ) published this month, it says in the 6th paragraph (including the bold one) she is 30. This would mean that she was born in 1979 not 1977. Just trying to add more info. The article also has some other info that could be used as a source. I also believe that Fritzges may be her birth surname but she has stated that Liddell is her legal surname. Could it be possible that she has had it legally changed from one to the other? Again, just speculation Goodbyegothgirlx ( talk) 19:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello there, I am sure her last name is not Liddell. I attended one of her concerts (in Germany) where she pointed out that her father is from Germany and her surname is German, too. Liddell is not a German name, but Fritzges is. Another fan who works at a cosmetics counter in Chicago encountered her a few times, and though she did not want to give out Emilie's real name, she said that it's actually spelled "Emily", Autumn is her real second name, and her surname sounded German. Emily Autumn Fritzges. I guess there we have it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.241.95.197 ( talk) 01:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Why is Liddell being used as her birth name? I thought we were sure that her birth name is in fact not Liddell...-- 68.192.55.21 ( talk) 18:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Actually, she has stated several times that her legal name IS Liddell. It also says it in the book. -- Lolitamuse ( talk) 18:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
HERE IT IS! Birth name: Emilie (or Emily) Autumn Fritzges. Source:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ekDbVM2Bfc0J:articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto+%22jan+fritzges%22&cd=1&hl=pl&ct=clnk&client=safari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.176.0.201 ( talk) 09:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Are you serious? Do you really think Nigel Kennedy knows another violin player with the name "Autumn" ?! And that person has a german father too? And was also 19 at that time? And has exactly that name EA is denying to have? And - what a coincidence! - there's a word filter on her fan-forum which changes that name automatically to "liddell"? If there WAS such a person named Autumn Fritzges who IS NOT Emilie Autumn, why couldn't we talk about THAT violinist - who has the same age, a german father and knows Nigel Kennedy, no, even more: is a FAN of him - on EAs forum without having the name automatically changed to EAs name?!! Come on, this whole thing's becoming ridiculous! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.87.54 ( talk) 16:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Someone has kept changing the genre to Dark Cabaret, Electropop and Metal. I agree with Dark Cabaret but i do not believe that electropop and metal are the genres of her music, Emilie herself has said its dark cabaret and industrial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darklight179 ( talk • contribs) 15:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
An electronic violin sounds like a Heavy Metal guitar? On the MySpace site she descibes their music as Metal (and also Industrial, but there is no Industrial music on their albums). -- Ada Kataki ( talk) 19:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, thank god we have come to a compromise. Electronic music is a bit vague and all-encompassing, but at least there will be no more edit war. The Proctor Doctor ( talk) 01:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Emilie Autumn is also often referred to as Dark Wave. Her sound is similar to other modern Dark Wave bands like RazorBladeKisses and L'Ame Immortelle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blade1313 ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be fair to add stempunk; she describes her music as victorianindustrial which is in one or other another way to say stempunk. Also the use of the Harpsichord with electronic effects and the electric violin really gives to it an steampunk sound... If anyone disagrees let us know befor deleting it. 187.155.7.226 ( talk) 00:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Industrial is an umbrella term of genre, there are many different types of industrial in the world....there are industrial influences in her music....but like I said its a very umbrella term for a varied genre. - J.D.
I hope the mods aren't getting TOO frustrated. The "vandalism's" all in good fun, at her own encouragement. 166.82.100.66 ( talk) 05:01, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
She told us to. Check her Twitter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyrastar123 ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Yikes. She apparently did. [3] Kaguya-chan ( talk) 21:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Quote: Yes, I did ask the PRs to fuck up my Wikipedia page! It was a challenge! And they rocked it! 11:10 AM Nov 16th from web
such a stupid challenge! wikipedia is free for everyone and not the asylum from emilie autumn, when anybody finds a source on the internet, he/she can edit it. i think emilie is just angry because fame didnt enter in her life... ;) 77.119.33.214 ( talk) 17:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
"A lot", is an understatement, hun :)~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Source needed for: "She also is obsessed with the plague and rats. She has two rats named Sir Edward and Basil." Kaguya-chan ( talk) 17:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Do not know if this is accepted, but it includes a pic of EA with Sir Edward and Basil.
http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21881
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Due to the serious biographies of living persons issues with this article, namely the poor quality of referencing, I have stubbed this article removing the bulk of the text. Future additions must be supported by reliable sources such as articles in professional third party magazines and newspapers. Through a preliminary Google search I have been unable to find much reliable coverage of the topic, but if anyone is aware of such coverage, please post links here and I would be happy to integrate the content. Any attempts to restore poorly-sourced content will not be tolerated, and may result in the page being protected from editing or persistent violators having their editing privileges revoked. Sincerely, Skomorokh 15:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if Emilies own journal entries on her official forum could be used as sources? Here is the link: http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewforum.php?f=2 She was also in the latest Gothic beauty magazine, so anyone who has that could use it as a source. Can be ordered from here: http://www.gothicbeauty.com
Also, I wonder if interviews you can watch at youtube, which CLEARLY shows that it is she answering the questions, would be acceptable as sources? If that is so there is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu47z5Poajk ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x3hyzeF9T4 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fH0w0E579I&feature=related : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CffbccbOX2A : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOeNIag7SM&feature=related Thesaya ( talk) 11:27, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
New interview today: http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/entertainmentnews/Music-saved-life-Emilie-Autumn/article-1763548-detail/article.html Thesaya ( talk) 06:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Yay for new interview! I think that Emilie's journal entries could be used since she is the author. Kaguya-chan ( talk) 20:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
About the guest vocals on Attrition I doubt EA want them here since they were used without her authorisation. I do not have a so called "reliable" source for this, only what was on the top of every page in her forum for a VERY long time. The author of the post is TallyHooTrain, EA's former booker and contact at Trisol. http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6173&start=0&hilit=attrition
While it is not possible to find a "reliable" source, I do think you could take this part out at least, even if not writing about the conflict itself. Thesaya ( talk) 09:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Emilie has a huge fan base, and all the fans arem referred to as either 'muffins' or 'plague rats'. Should this not be included on the wiki page? Fans are a crucial part of any artists development, and the fact that we are different to most other fans means that we should be included.
-PlagueRattyRat —Preceding
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Those are her /groupies/ not fans!
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How are they groupies and not fans? -- Yayamaya ( talk) 12:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
^ Yeh, exactly, how are they her groupies and not her fans??? If you ask her and all of her fans they would all tell you that she calls her fans either "Plague Rats" or "Muffins". Also go to her website, in all of her journal entries she calls us Plague Rats and sometimes Muffins. The "Plague Rats" are generally those who are in the Asylum Army (which does not mean they are groupies, just means that they are more committed to her and spreading the plague) and then "Muffins" are usually the fans that haven't know her for long or are just not that 'into' her. But either way they are still fans. Emma kenny ( talk) 09:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, and if you WERE into her, you would fucking know that.~GothicVampiress
Will you stop bitching at everyone on the discussion page, it adds nothing. And just because they say something like that doesn't mean that they aren't 'into' Emilie. They are at there core just names for a fanbase, and are used interchangably. Please don't make things up without having a citation to prove it.-- Yayamaya ( talk) 18:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
I consider myself to be a very big fan, thank you and I was not/ being serious at all thank you-prettybarf/what ever my thing is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.169.45 ( talk) 03:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
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Are you being serious, right now? Her LAST name needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress ( talk • contribs) 09:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
And the year in which she was born in needs to be changed, and the fact that you have put the guitar under instruments she plays needs to be changed, she has never played a guitar in any of her albums, and you have put that she quite school when she was 9, when in fact she quit when she was 10. Also the odd mentioning of her being bi-polar needs to be changed, not the fact that she is bi-polar because I know that she is in fact bi-polar but just the way it is stated is a bit weird, could it be said a little nicer, and not just chucked at the bottom of the bio section. It just seems a little off to me. Emma kenny ( talk) 10:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Umm, yes I know but she doesn't play the guitar! I thought that the list was for instruments that she herself plays, but if not then ok leave the guitar there then. Emma kenny ( talk) 08:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
She does play guitar. She may not play it herself on any records but she plays it nonetheless. For example, in the 'Crafters Coast to Coast' episode she is in, you can clearly see that she owns several guitars. VV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.62.196 ( talk) 09:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I do apologise but I have never seen that before, the thing is that on her website (batteredrose.com) in the FAQ it was stated that E.A plays the following instruments; violin, viola, viola de gamba, harpsichord, and piano. Also could it be possible that those guitars were not actually hers? I am not trying to pick an argument with you but I am just saying seeing as she has never actually played the guitar in public where as she always plays the violin and harpsichord and all of those in public, maybe the guitars in that show were not hers. Emma kenny ( talk) 12:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
She has stated that she does play guitar and that was how she wrote The Art of Suicide. And even if she doesn't play it, it is featured in her music prominently in a number of songs-- Yayamaya ( talk) 16:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Also Battered Rose is only a fansite, not EA's official site.-- Yayamaya ( talk) 13:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Emmy kenny, the part where you said she left school at ten is wrong. Emilie herself said "I quit normal person school at nine so that I could have time to practice for nine hours a day in a practice room every day with out fail." Direct quote from an interview with Shred News. Kaguya-chan ( talk) 13:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
^ Oh ok well that is really weird because in a interview that I watched she said that she left at the age of ten?? Emma kenny ( talk) 13:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to add to this. There may not be a citation for 'Lidell' or whatever it is as her surname, but is there a reference for the surname that appears on the page? And is there a citation for spelling her name with a 'y',. There may be, but nothing has been noted on the oage. For all this 'you need a reference' crap, you're being a bit crap in yourselves... ;) -PlagueRattyRat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.202.17 ( talk) 15:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
How about you look above in the section about her real name where it's explained?-- Yayamaya ( talk) 10:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I would also like to say that the guitars in Crafters from Cost to Cost most likely belonged to her boyfriend at the time... If someone could help me find the source, that would be great, but between the Enchant and Opheliac era, Emilie lived with her boyfriend who was a guitarist. (You can see this from her old journal entries and from the Asylum Book). Also, on the Opheliac Companion, she explained that she played enough guitar to just strum and couldn't bar most chords. Her producer, Inkydust, had to play the guitar for her. It's very, very likely that he played the guitar for her on her albums. 68.32.16.59 ( talk) 13:16, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
^ Thankyou!!!!! And to Kaguya - chan I will try to find the link to that interview for you, but it might take a while not sure which one it was in, lol. Emma kenny ( talk) 06:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC) I found the interview, the link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LeO2xc73_k, She mentions it at around at around 15:40. Emma kenny ( talk) 07:08, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
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Her last name is actually Fritzges. There is absolutely no proof that she is related to Alice Liddel, nor a direct decendant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.87.74.231 ( talk) 20:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
http://articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto Towards the middle, she's mentioned as Autumn Fritzges, she's also mentioned the scar from the eel bite here http://www.4gm.nl/game-masters-topmenu-27/450.html. -- 68.192.36.89 ( talk) 17:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | \-> This link is better: http://www.4gm.nl/game-masters-topmenu-27/450-emilie-autumn-reportage.html
Given that there is now a style section, surely it is worth mentioning the whole victoriandustrial thing. I'm sure there must be a million sources saying that she at least describes her music as such. 92.1.251.145 ( talk) 14:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)