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I Can't Give You What Your Looking For Because It Isn't Here Greedco Is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:7C23:EA00:2C7D:FF14:F333:7683 ( talk) 15:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Stashing interviews here for possible inclusion. Reliability will have to be checked.
Insight into the meanings of her songs from her online journal entries:
Other also from the journal entries
And one more interview (which mentions voices). Kaguya-chan ( talk) 20:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Hearing voices absolutely is not a symptom of bipolar disorder. It doesn't matter if she says so in interviews, it is not true. I've no problem with the article including that she has bipolar disorder and hears/ has heard voices, but saying that the hearing of voices is a symptom of bipolar disorder is completely false. 188.141.12.67 ( talk) 11:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Actually, hearing voices IS a symptom of bipolar disorder. I would know from experience - it can occur at times when you're in high mania. http://helpguide.org/mental/bipolar_disorder_symptoms_treatment.htm Look under "Signs and symptoms" if you want proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKiska ( talk • contribs) 13:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Check any trustworthy medical website or the DSM, hallucinating voices is known as psychosis, which occurs in high mania. I posted a link to one in my previous post, I'll link you to another one. http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/manic-depression-symptoms-faq.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKiska ( talk • contribs) 13:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
So the article is pretty much finished except for the mangled Public image section. Any ideas about how to clean it up into 1-2 neat paragraphs or any general improvements? Your opinion is very much wanted, so speak up! :) Kaguya-chan ( talk) 22:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
In the article it says: "Autumn identifies herself as asexual, despite having had relationships with men and women." However, being asexual does not mean that you can't have romantic relationships. (See wiki page on asexuality for reference.) -- Rraton ( talk) 20:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
She's a liar who doesn't know what asxuality means. She is not descended from Alice Liddell. She stole the backstory from American McGee's Alice, she tells her fans to edit her article, she steals, she's a hypocrite and she blames her bi-polar all while doing it. She's not asexual, she's an attention whore. Asexuals aren't interested in sex or sexual relations. Asexuality mean not atrracted to either sex. So EA is a prime example of why we can't have nice things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.11.186.97 ( talk • contribs) 15:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I did a little due diligence on the legal name added to the article today:
Accordingly, I'd say we have verification to a reliable source of the name. — C.Fred ( talk) 00:43, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I know there have been many discussions about her "real name". Let me make some declarative statements:
1. The article about Nigel Kennedy. In the first lines you can read about a certain "Jan Fritzges" who has a 19-year-old daughter named "Autumn". The article is from the 5th september 1997, so Autumn is born 1978 or 1977. They came from Costa Mesa, California. source: http://articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto/2
2. In Costa Mesa, California, lives a woman named Emily A. Fritzges. She's related to a person named Jan Fritzges. source: http://www.peekyou.com/emily_fritzges/62568335
3. In Costa Mesa, California, lives a Costume Designer/seamstress named Jan Longmire. Her shop is named "Enchant" and she has a dragonfly on her page. source: http://enchant.costume.tripod.com/id20.htm
4. This Jan Longmire is on Facebook. She has a daughter named Emilie Autumn. source: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000740855088#!/profile.php?id=1020398103
5. Emilie Autumn knows Nigel Kennedy.
6. Emilie Autumns mother is a seamstress.
So. There we are. I come to the following conclusion:
Possibility A:
These are all different people: Emilie Autumn, Autumn Fritzges and her mother Jan, Jan Longmire the Costume Designer and her daughter Emilie Autumn. It's that simple and the rest is coincidence.
In this case, Nigel Kennedy knows Emilie Autumn, and an other girl named Autumn Fritzges, both play the violin. And there are two girls named Emilie Autumn, and both have a mother who's a seamstress.
Possibility B:
Emilie Autumn IS Emily Autumn Fritzges. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.79.161.188 ( talk) 23:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
That really is some amazing detective work there. I though I should also add that, not only does Ms Longmire have Emilie Autumn listed as her daughter, but she has someone called Clifford Lidell listed as her son. So, any one of these names could be possible. 94.15.207.211 ( talk) 16:54, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Speaking about "running counter a reliable source" : EA told us her family died in a fire. So, she can't be Jan Fritzges daughter or Sunshynes sister, cause they're still alive. There must be another Emilie Autumn Liddell in Costa Mesa, California, beside "Emilie Autumn" (the one from JLs facebook), "Emily A. Fritzges" and "Autumn" (daughter of Jan Fritzges). Emilie, Autumn and Fritzges seem to be very common names in CA ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.1.206.233 ( talk) 23:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Ah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Emilie is telling the truth. She and her moderators have worked hard to try and keep the Fritzges name under wraps (for example, there is a word filter on her official forum that changes the name Fritzges into Liddell), so there has to be something there. It may be that she doesn't want to be associated with her family, so she made up the backstory. I'm not putting this down as a "this is why Fritzges should be included", only as mere speculation, and as a counter argument to the above comment. 94.15.207.239 ( talk) 15:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Emilie isn't always the best source about information on her life. Her old manager has stated that he has spoken with her mother for one. You'll find a lot of things that contradict what Emilie says sometimes...Her birth name probably is Emily Fritzges, her legal name could be Emilie Liddell for all we know as well.-- 68.193.35.12 ( talk) 11:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
In this article: http://articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto/2 Kennedy says that his-friend-Emilie "was bitten by an eel and can't play at the moment." (Her sister's pet eel did the damage, Autumn confided.)" AND, that happend to Emilie Autumn the musician. She said about it in the interview from 4gm.nl ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN7r_MuYjhQ ). So I find very possible that birth name of Emilie Autumn WAS Fritzges but she changed it to Liddell. 12:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.31.186.84 ( talk)
Recently, on Youtube, member "cos2mer2" has claimed to be Emilie Autumn's (the artist's) mother and has identified herself as Jan Longmire. The following comments related to this claim have been copied from the Youtube video in which they are featured ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBD7ehJ0eFI) as a two-part explanation:
Comment 1: Emilie Autumn is one of my five children who grew up in a home surrounded by love and devotion. We have been the victims of lies and historical reinvention. Accusations of abuse have never been detailed. Our names, have been thrown around like trash. We are real people with real lives and we have all been lied about for years....Emilie's "history" is only plausible to people who were never there. Why the fantasy childhood? Who knows...we were kicked to the curb ten years ago..no explanation.
Comment 2 (continued from the above): I've heard my name used in this video and in hundreds of comments, quotes, and various references to Emilie. The ignorance about me, my family, and Emilie's early life would be acceptable if it were kept to the private delusions of a gullible few. However, I have become referenced in a very public was by Emilie's fans, and will now begin to undo the massive amount of damage done to my family and myself by years of lies and misrepresentations of the reality of all our lives. Jan Longmire
Furthermore, this Youtube user was contacted by another user and half of the conversation (the replies from cos2mer2) were featured on the Asylum Reform site ( http://www.theasylumreform.com/) in the "Thoughts Concerning EA" thread. They are as follows:
Response 1: Thanks for your email. I don't have anything to add to the public discussion of my family. I don't have a "side of the story". My family has a single history and we all remember it perfectly. In addition, I love all my children unconditionally, and that certainly includes Emilie. I hope you continue to enjoy her artistry and originality, and feel free to take her biographical offerings any way you choose. My sincere best wishes.
Response 2: Thank you for your wise advice regarding my privacy and the access that my current FB page gives to the overly curious info seekers. As it happens, I'm a costume designer of some significance within the very narrow niche of International Figure Skating. I established my FB presence in order to be accessible to my industry and it continues to serve that function so well that I can't afford to hide behind privacy settings. Almost all my posts are professional in content.. So, as I do get the occasional EA fan popping up with a friend request hoping to gain inside info, I just block that individual. The rest can shop for scraps of "truth" as they wish. At some point living a real life will become more important to these guys than scrounging through other people's "histories"....hopefully. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.80.88.8 ( talk) 07:34, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Autumn’s name is still legally Emily Autumn Fritzges: http://www.jusbrasil.com.br/diarios/40525516/dou-secao-1-14-09-2012-pg-111
A few months ago, her name was publicly posted by Brazil's "Diario Oficial", which is a totally legal source that keeps track of people traveling to that country; that's how the law works there (you can even see her passport number). The members of her backing band ("The Bloody Crumpets") talk openly about their own real names, and they are: Margaret Rose Lally (Known as Captain Maggot), Tara Lee Heffner (Known as Ms. Varlow), and Beth Hinderliter (Known as The Blessed Contessa). Their names are listed there right after Emily Autumn Fritzges, along with Autumn's current Tour manager: Melissa Dawn King (simply known as Melissa King).
"Diario Oficial" (Brazil's Official Gazette) is a communication via by which the national press is obliged to make public every topic on the federal level. It consists of three sections that publish:
It is linked to the Presidency of the Federative Republic of Brazil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.142.235.71 ( talk) 07:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses.
Suggestion.
Is it really necessary to write "Emilie Autumn Liddell" in the article's first sentence? The majority of her fans know that her birth (and still legal) last name is Fritzges. I think it would be better if you just leave it like this: "Emilie Autumn (born on September 22, 1979) is an American singer-songwriter, poet, and violinist..." Just removing "Liddell" from the first sentence. I think it would be better and more neutral, and it is also a better way to avoid vandalism, which I know is making your job really hard. Just a suggestion. :)
Ms. Autumn redid her official site, and took out the section where she discussed her appearances on other musicians' tracks, among other things. And none of it can be found on Internet Archive, of course, because that would make everything far too easy. And, she now says that she was born in Los Angeles [8]... Kaguya-chan ( talk) 21:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
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Guys, stop removing industrial from the box, Emilie adds industrial into her work and I think it fits nicely.! Stop! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.37.202 ( talk) 08:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
her music has absolutely NOTHING to do with electro industrial... AFX237V7 ( talk) 10:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
A vocal range can't go "from contralto to dramatic soprano." Each is a distinct voice type, although some may overlap to some extent. It would be better if EA's range were described in terms of lowest to highest note (for example, A3 to C5 or whatever; you'll see this kind of distinction on other singers' pages). See Fach, Voice_type, etc. 71.79.244.206 ( talk) 01:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
ENDER ASKED Sorry to be bothering you again, Ms. Autumn, but I believe I have another question… do you take singing lessons? If so, how long have you been studying for? Are you an alto, soprano, mezzo?
EMILIE AUTUMN ANSWERED Hi sweet! I’ve never had a singing lesson, I simply take the basics of tone production that I learnt on the fiddle and apply them to my vocal chords, which seems to work passibly. I am naturally an alto, though have developed a sort of soprano which you can hear on songs like “Marry Me”. Thanks for the great question!
In the main text is said she was born in 1977, but in the box is said she was born in 1979. Nodate have a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.122.13.174 ( talk) 08:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I think "A Bit o' This & That" should be listed in the "rarities albums" category instead of the "Compilation Albums" section, since its not an studio album, but it isn't an EP ether. It can't be a compilation album, cause it doesn't include her singles or her biggest hits, or songs previously released (except for the remixed for what if and chambermaid). It fits more in the rarities category cause it has the songs that were never released on Enchant or Opheliac, and it also has live recordings, demos and some remixes. So I don't see how someone can consider it as a compilation album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.145.11.97 ( talk) 00:41, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Emilie tends to say she was born in 1979, however the following image contradicts that and would suggest she was actually born in 1977. ( http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcb9wtogJO1rptmyso4_500.jpg) I have heard that the latter date is correct, so could we use the linked image as proof, and adjust the date accordingly? Or is this a no-go? Thanks. 176.27.79.19 ( talk) 17:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
C.Fred You're in denial. I suggest you reading this: http://asylumplaguedoctor.tumblr.com/biography with better (and legal) sources than Emilie's words. But we all know you're fathergod, so nevermind, talking to you is pointless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.142.232.101 ( talk) 22:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Original research, obviously, so can't be included in the article proper (along with her birth surname, Fritzges, of course), but the following record indicates her birth date was, as indicated on the 1997 'On A Day' promo that she clearly now regrets given her forum etc black that part out, 22 September 1977. https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/record/results/?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22Emily%20A%22~%20%2Bsurname%3AFritzges~
Just adding this here for posterity! 88.109.210.206 ( talk) 17:18, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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Pinging Adam9007, NedFausa, and will invite IP on their talk page. The reference that Adam added to support the asexual statement appears to me to be an independent, reliable source. IP, what is your objection to the source? Schazjmd (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Autumn has claimed she is asexual, but doubt has been cast on this assertion.? As for noteworthiness, I imagine that if it's been mentioned in three third-party sources, then it at least has some significance. Adam9007 ( talk) 18:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
From past experience, Wikipedia accepts what someone says about their identity without further comment, unless there is a specific reason to dispute this. By policy this applies to gender, and in practice, it also applies to sexuality. We do not assume that the Wikipedia definition of a topic supersedes reliable sources, nor do we editorialize on the definition favored by the individual. For example, articles cannot assume that gay people who have sexual relationships with different-sex people must by lying.
"...doubt has been cast on this assertion
" is a textbook example of
WP:WEASEL. This doubt is no more notable than any other bit of gossip. Yes, it's what a source say, but this is not enough, especially for a
WP:BLP. We do not present "both sides" as if they were equivalent, since this would be
false balance.
Regarding reliable sources, all sources are judged in context. That a source has an article is useful, but not necessary, for it to be WP:RS.
So here are the proposed sources:
I hope that's useful. Grayfell ( talk) 23:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
flimsy, but reliable, sourceCould you elaborate on that? 'flimsy' and 'reliable' seem to contradict each other here. Adam9007 ( talk) 01:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I absolutely do not accept that being asexual is an extraordinary claimNeither do I, under the everyday definition of the term. Unfortunately, this case seems to me (and evidently much of the community, going by that noticeboard discussion) to fit Wikipedia's definition of 'extraordinary', by my reading of WP:EXTRAORDINARY#2. Adam9007 ( talk) 01:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, we are told.
Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources. Red flags that should prompt extra caution include: Surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources. I submit that a claim in Wikipedia of a celebrity's asexuality is both surprising and apparently important. We live in a highly sexualized society, and departure from that norm is unusual to say the least. When such a development is not covered by multiple mainstream sources, we must pay serious mind to WP:EXTRAORDINARY in considering its addition to that person's BLP. NedFausa ( talk) 03:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
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I Can't Give You What Your Looking For Because It Isn't Here Greedco Is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:7C23:EA00:2C7D:FF14:F333:7683 ( talk) 15:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Stashing interviews here for possible inclusion. Reliability will have to be checked.
Insight into the meanings of her songs from her online journal entries:
Other also from the journal entries
And one more interview (which mentions voices). Kaguya-chan ( talk) 20:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Hearing voices absolutely is not a symptom of bipolar disorder. It doesn't matter if she says so in interviews, it is not true. I've no problem with the article including that she has bipolar disorder and hears/ has heard voices, but saying that the hearing of voices is a symptom of bipolar disorder is completely false. 188.141.12.67 ( talk) 11:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Actually, hearing voices IS a symptom of bipolar disorder. I would know from experience - it can occur at times when you're in high mania. http://helpguide.org/mental/bipolar_disorder_symptoms_treatment.htm Look under "Signs and symptoms" if you want proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKiska ( talk • contribs) 13:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Check any trustworthy medical website or the DSM, hallucinating voices is known as psychosis, which occurs in high mania. I posted a link to one in my previous post, I'll link you to another one. http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/manic-depression-symptoms-faq.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKiska ( talk • contribs) 13:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
So the article is pretty much finished except for the mangled Public image section. Any ideas about how to clean it up into 1-2 neat paragraphs or any general improvements? Your opinion is very much wanted, so speak up! :) Kaguya-chan ( talk) 22:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
In the article it says: "Autumn identifies herself as asexual, despite having had relationships with men and women." However, being asexual does not mean that you can't have romantic relationships. (See wiki page on asexuality for reference.) -- Rraton ( talk) 20:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
She's a liar who doesn't know what asxuality means. She is not descended from Alice Liddell. She stole the backstory from American McGee's Alice, she tells her fans to edit her article, she steals, she's a hypocrite and she blames her bi-polar all while doing it. She's not asexual, she's an attention whore. Asexuals aren't interested in sex or sexual relations. Asexuality mean not atrracted to either sex. So EA is a prime example of why we can't have nice things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.11.186.97 ( talk • contribs) 15:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I did a little due diligence on the legal name added to the article today:
Accordingly, I'd say we have verification to a reliable source of the name. — C.Fred ( talk) 00:43, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I know there have been many discussions about her "real name". Let me make some declarative statements:
1. The article about Nigel Kennedy. In the first lines you can read about a certain "Jan Fritzges" who has a 19-year-old daughter named "Autumn". The article is from the 5th september 1997, so Autumn is born 1978 or 1977. They came from Costa Mesa, California. source: http://articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto/2
2. In Costa Mesa, California, lives a woman named Emily A. Fritzges. She's related to a person named Jan Fritzges. source: http://www.peekyou.com/emily_fritzges/62568335
3. In Costa Mesa, California, lives a Costume Designer/seamstress named Jan Longmire. Her shop is named "Enchant" and she has a dragonfly on her page. source: http://enchant.costume.tripod.com/id20.htm
4. This Jan Longmire is on Facebook. She has a daughter named Emilie Autumn. source: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000740855088#!/profile.php?id=1020398103
5. Emilie Autumn knows Nigel Kennedy.
6. Emilie Autumns mother is a seamstress.
So. There we are. I come to the following conclusion:
Possibility A:
These are all different people: Emilie Autumn, Autumn Fritzges and her mother Jan, Jan Longmire the Costume Designer and her daughter Emilie Autumn. It's that simple and the rest is coincidence.
In this case, Nigel Kennedy knows Emilie Autumn, and an other girl named Autumn Fritzges, both play the violin. And there are two girls named Emilie Autumn, and both have a mother who's a seamstress.
Possibility B:
Emilie Autumn IS Emily Autumn Fritzges. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.79.161.188 ( talk) 23:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
That really is some amazing detective work there. I though I should also add that, not only does Ms Longmire have Emilie Autumn listed as her daughter, but she has someone called Clifford Lidell listed as her son. So, any one of these names could be possible. 94.15.207.211 ( talk) 16:54, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Speaking about "running counter a reliable source" : EA told us her family died in a fire. So, she can't be Jan Fritzges daughter or Sunshynes sister, cause they're still alive. There must be another Emilie Autumn Liddell in Costa Mesa, California, beside "Emilie Autumn" (the one from JLs facebook), "Emily A. Fritzges" and "Autumn" (daughter of Jan Fritzges). Emilie, Autumn and Fritzges seem to be very common names in CA ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.1.206.233 ( talk) 23:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Ah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Emilie is telling the truth. She and her moderators have worked hard to try and keep the Fritzges name under wraps (for example, there is a word filter on her official forum that changes the name Fritzges into Liddell), so there has to be something there. It may be that she doesn't want to be associated with her family, so she made up the backstory. I'm not putting this down as a "this is why Fritzges should be included", only as mere speculation, and as a counter argument to the above comment. 94.15.207.239 ( talk) 15:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Emilie isn't always the best source about information on her life. Her old manager has stated that he has spoken with her mother for one. You'll find a lot of things that contradict what Emilie says sometimes...Her birth name probably is Emily Fritzges, her legal name could be Emilie Liddell for all we know as well.-- 68.193.35.12 ( talk) 11:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
In this article: http://articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto/2 Kennedy says that his-friend-Emilie "was bitten by an eel and can't play at the moment." (Her sister's pet eel did the damage, Autumn confided.)" AND, that happend to Emilie Autumn the musician. She said about it in the interview from 4gm.nl ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN7r_MuYjhQ ). So I find very possible that birth name of Emilie Autumn WAS Fritzges but she changed it to Liddell. 12:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.31.186.84 ( talk)
Recently, on Youtube, member "cos2mer2" has claimed to be Emilie Autumn's (the artist's) mother and has identified herself as Jan Longmire. The following comments related to this claim have been copied from the Youtube video in which they are featured ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBD7ehJ0eFI) as a two-part explanation:
Comment 1: Emilie Autumn is one of my five children who grew up in a home surrounded by love and devotion. We have been the victims of lies and historical reinvention. Accusations of abuse have never been detailed. Our names, have been thrown around like trash. We are real people with real lives and we have all been lied about for years....Emilie's "history" is only plausible to people who were never there. Why the fantasy childhood? Who knows...we were kicked to the curb ten years ago..no explanation.
Comment 2 (continued from the above): I've heard my name used in this video and in hundreds of comments, quotes, and various references to Emilie. The ignorance about me, my family, and Emilie's early life would be acceptable if it were kept to the private delusions of a gullible few. However, I have become referenced in a very public was by Emilie's fans, and will now begin to undo the massive amount of damage done to my family and myself by years of lies and misrepresentations of the reality of all our lives. Jan Longmire
Furthermore, this Youtube user was contacted by another user and half of the conversation (the replies from cos2mer2) were featured on the Asylum Reform site ( http://www.theasylumreform.com/) in the "Thoughts Concerning EA" thread. They are as follows:
Response 1: Thanks for your email. I don't have anything to add to the public discussion of my family. I don't have a "side of the story". My family has a single history and we all remember it perfectly. In addition, I love all my children unconditionally, and that certainly includes Emilie. I hope you continue to enjoy her artistry and originality, and feel free to take her biographical offerings any way you choose. My sincere best wishes.
Response 2: Thank you for your wise advice regarding my privacy and the access that my current FB page gives to the overly curious info seekers. As it happens, I'm a costume designer of some significance within the very narrow niche of International Figure Skating. I established my FB presence in order to be accessible to my industry and it continues to serve that function so well that I can't afford to hide behind privacy settings. Almost all my posts are professional in content.. So, as I do get the occasional EA fan popping up with a friend request hoping to gain inside info, I just block that individual. The rest can shop for scraps of "truth" as they wish. At some point living a real life will become more important to these guys than scrounging through other people's "histories"....hopefully. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.80.88.8 ( talk) 07:34, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Autumn’s name is still legally Emily Autumn Fritzges: http://www.jusbrasil.com.br/diarios/40525516/dou-secao-1-14-09-2012-pg-111
A few months ago, her name was publicly posted by Brazil's "Diario Oficial", which is a totally legal source that keeps track of people traveling to that country; that's how the law works there (you can even see her passport number). The members of her backing band ("The Bloody Crumpets") talk openly about their own real names, and they are: Margaret Rose Lally (Known as Captain Maggot), Tara Lee Heffner (Known as Ms. Varlow), and Beth Hinderliter (Known as The Blessed Contessa). Their names are listed there right after Emily Autumn Fritzges, along with Autumn's current Tour manager: Melissa Dawn King (simply known as Melissa King).
"Diario Oficial" (Brazil's Official Gazette) is a communication via by which the national press is obliged to make public every topic on the federal level. It consists of three sections that publish:
It is linked to the Presidency of the Federative Republic of Brazil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.142.235.71 ( talk) 07:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses.
Suggestion.
Is it really necessary to write "Emilie Autumn Liddell" in the article's first sentence? The majority of her fans know that her birth (and still legal) last name is Fritzges. I think it would be better if you just leave it like this: "Emilie Autumn (born on September 22, 1979) is an American singer-songwriter, poet, and violinist..." Just removing "Liddell" from the first sentence. I think it would be better and more neutral, and it is also a better way to avoid vandalism, which I know is making your job really hard. Just a suggestion. :)
Ms. Autumn redid her official site, and took out the section where she discussed her appearances on other musicians' tracks, among other things. And none of it can be found on Internet Archive, of course, because that would make everything far too easy. And, she now says that she was born in Los Angeles [8]... Kaguya-chan ( talk) 21:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
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Guys, stop removing industrial from the box, Emilie adds industrial into her work and I think it fits nicely.! Stop! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.37.202 ( talk) 08:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
her music has absolutely NOTHING to do with electro industrial... AFX237V7 ( talk) 10:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
A vocal range can't go "from contralto to dramatic soprano." Each is a distinct voice type, although some may overlap to some extent. It would be better if EA's range were described in terms of lowest to highest note (for example, A3 to C5 or whatever; you'll see this kind of distinction on other singers' pages). See Fach, Voice_type, etc. 71.79.244.206 ( talk) 01:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
ENDER ASKED Sorry to be bothering you again, Ms. Autumn, but I believe I have another question… do you take singing lessons? If so, how long have you been studying for? Are you an alto, soprano, mezzo?
EMILIE AUTUMN ANSWERED Hi sweet! I’ve never had a singing lesson, I simply take the basics of tone production that I learnt on the fiddle and apply them to my vocal chords, which seems to work passibly. I am naturally an alto, though have developed a sort of soprano which you can hear on songs like “Marry Me”. Thanks for the great question!
In the main text is said she was born in 1977, but in the box is said she was born in 1979. Nodate have a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.122.13.174 ( talk) 08:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I think "A Bit o' This & That" should be listed in the "rarities albums" category instead of the "Compilation Albums" section, since its not an studio album, but it isn't an EP ether. It can't be a compilation album, cause it doesn't include her singles or her biggest hits, or songs previously released (except for the remixed for what if and chambermaid). It fits more in the rarities category cause it has the songs that were never released on Enchant or Opheliac, and it also has live recordings, demos and some remixes. So I don't see how someone can consider it as a compilation album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.145.11.97 ( talk) 00:41, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Emilie tends to say she was born in 1979, however the following image contradicts that and would suggest she was actually born in 1977. ( http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcb9wtogJO1rptmyso4_500.jpg) I have heard that the latter date is correct, so could we use the linked image as proof, and adjust the date accordingly? Or is this a no-go? Thanks. 176.27.79.19 ( talk) 17:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
C.Fred You're in denial. I suggest you reading this: http://asylumplaguedoctor.tumblr.com/biography with better (and legal) sources than Emilie's words. But we all know you're fathergod, so nevermind, talking to you is pointless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.142.232.101 ( talk) 22:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Original research, obviously, so can't be included in the article proper (along with her birth surname, Fritzges, of course), but the following record indicates her birth date was, as indicated on the 1997 'On A Day' promo that she clearly now regrets given her forum etc black that part out, 22 September 1977. https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/record/results/?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22Emily%20A%22~%20%2Bsurname%3AFritzges~
Just adding this here for posterity! 88.109.210.206 ( talk) 17:18, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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Pinging Adam9007, NedFausa, and will invite IP on their talk page. The reference that Adam added to support the asexual statement appears to me to be an independent, reliable source. IP, what is your objection to the source? Schazjmd (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Autumn has claimed she is asexual, but doubt has been cast on this assertion.? As for noteworthiness, I imagine that if it's been mentioned in three third-party sources, then it at least has some significance. Adam9007 ( talk) 18:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
From past experience, Wikipedia accepts what someone says about their identity without further comment, unless there is a specific reason to dispute this. By policy this applies to gender, and in practice, it also applies to sexuality. We do not assume that the Wikipedia definition of a topic supersedes reliable sources, nor do we editorialize on the definition favored by the individual. For example, articles cannot assume that gay people who have sexual relationships with different-sex people must by lying.
"...doubt has been cast on this assertion
" is a textbook example of
WP:WEASEL. This doubt is no more notable than any other bit of gossip. Yes, it's what a source say, but this is not enough, especially for a
WP:BLP. We do not present "both sides" as if they were equivalent, since this would be
false balance.
Regarding reliable sources, all sources are judged in context. That a source has an article is useful, but not necessary, for it to be WP:RS.
So here are the proposed sources:
I hope that's useful. Grayfell ( talk) 23:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
flimsy, but reliable, sourceCould you elaborate on that? 'flimsy' and 'reliable' seem to contradict each other here. Adam9007 ( talk) 01:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I absolutely do not accept that being asexual is an extraordinary claimNeither do I, under the everyday definition of the term. Unfortunately, this case seems to me (and evidently much of the community, going by that noticeboard discussion) to fit Wikipedia's definition of 'extraordinary', by my reading of WP:EXTRAORDINARY#2. Adam9007 ( talk) 01:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, we are told.
Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources. Red flags that should prompt extra caution include: Surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources. I submit that a claim in Wikipedia of a celebrity's asexuality is both surprising and apparently important. We live in a highly sexualized society, and departure from that norm is unusual to say the least. When such a development is not covered by multiple mainstream sources, we must pay serious mind to WP:EXTRAORDINARY in considering its addition to that person's BLP. NedFausa ( talk) 03:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)