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I really don't see the point of keeping this article and the hit singles page separate. Hell, even the Elvis Presley international hit singles page seems unnecessary.
I propose we merge all three pages, or at least this and the hit singles page. There are virtually no other artists who have separate pages for their singles in their home country and their singles abroad. In my opinion, all it does is create confusion and American centrism. I understand that the list of hit singles may be for the purpose of highlighting his commercial successes given that the singer has released hundreds of singles, but we should take into consideration if it is a worthwhile to Wikipedia. Mauri96 ( talk) 00:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
When split this article the interwiki were not changed. In spanish, "Anexo:Discografía de Elvis Presley" include both, singles and albums, but interwiki just link to this article. I fixed it but now a bot restore the wrong interwiki. Can someone please fix this mess? Thanks. -- Andreateletrabajo ( talk) 18:33, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I have noticed that some of the US Pop rankings aren't coming from the chart with the song achieved its peak position. In the case of "I Want You, I Need You, I Love", it's a #3 hit on the Top 100 and #1 on the Best Sellers list yet the former peak is listed. In contrast, "I Was The One" went to #23 on the Top 100 and #19 on the Disc Jockeys list ... and this time the Top 100 rank isn't used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WolfSpear ( talk • contribs) 06:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I edited the sentence "The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) first began tracking sales of Elvis Presley in 1958, who didn't receive his first Gold Album award until 1958" because (1) the RIAA began tracking sales of anybody in 1958, when the gold single and album awards were established; (2) consequently, saying that Elvis "didn't receive" an award "until 1958" is misleading, because nobody received any gold album awards from the RIAA until then; and (3) Elvis didn't receive a gold album award in 1958 anyway, but he did receive a gold single that year (his first gold album came in 1960). -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:13, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed in the singles chart the word flip is used. What does that mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.80.110.225 ( talk) 18:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I am re-opening this discussion. There are currently three articles documenting Elvis Presley's singles and much of this is overkill and/or redundant: Elvis Presley singles discography currently lists U.S. infomation only. List of Elvis Presley hit singles also has a U.S.-centric view, as well as many formatting problems, particularly the inclusion of "weeks at number one" numbers that clutter up the tables and aren't used in any other discography pages. The List of Elvis Presley international hit singles also has the same formatting errors, not to mention the separation as all non-U.S. countries grouped together as "international". What was the reasoning behind this info being separated into so many articles? I'm suggesting that this all be merged together to adhere to uniformity of other artist discographies. - eo ( talk) 18:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
–As a user from the UK who just tried to find some singles information for Elvis and found this horrendously difficult due to all the various pages, I AGREE, please merge them.—ASM 14th October 2015
I spotted a number of errors where a single was noted as being "single only" in the Album field. For example, Joshua Fit the Battle and His Hand in Mine were not "singles only" but were taken from the (albeit several-year-old) His Hand in Mine album. Easy Question was released as a single several years after appearing on an album. These need to be policed and corrected. 68.146.70.124 ( talk) 22:40, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm browsing the Elvis songs and checking release dates, chart #'s, etc. I noticed that one song says it was released in December of '55, yet it charted #5 in July '55. How can that be? It charted before it was even released?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shirley449 ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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This has been a couple of months in the making, but I have finally reorganized this page to make it easier to read and match the formatting to the way a singles discography should be per wiki standards. I have also replaced all the dead source links with working links.
I hope this makes it much easier for everyone to browse for singles information! Benjichilders ( talk) 22:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
This post states that Elvis Presley had 33 number 1 singles, but that is deceiving and maybe that section should be removed. In the United States, Elvis Presley had 17 number 1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 and the Beatles had 20 number 1 hits on that metric. In the United Kingdom, Elvis Presley had 21 number 1 hits on the Record Retailer (now Music Week), but this is debatable as three of these hits were re-issues of songs that were already number 1 hits decades earlier. The Beatles had 17 number 1 hits on that metric. The number 33 in this post combines both metrics, plus US Cashbox and UK New Musical Express, which are not official. Dkf12 ( talk) 14:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Is there any objection to adding the US chart information for Record World / Music Vendor? I think it would add some good information. For example, some of Elvis' early singles made the Music Vendor country chart while they did not make the Billboard or Cash Box chart, because Music Vendor was a top 50 chart while the others were only a top 15 chart. ( MHS1976 ( talk) 18:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC))
I have started adding Music Vendor / Record World chart information one section at a time. MHS1976 ( talk)
The merge has caused many issues, and solved none. The order of charting songs in the U.S. is extremely hard to follow now. "American centrism" was used as a reason for the merge, but Elvis was American, so it would make the most since to have a U.S. centric discography and however many other pages were needed or desired for other countries. No one country should have to settle for being lumped together as 'International".
Dates of release, B-sides, and at times even the version of the song differed country to country, none of this is easily conveyed in the current article.
The old article listing A-side/B-side also nicely dealt with the charting songs from Extended Plays. The excuse that "other singers discographies are not organized that way" is ridiculous, as the number of charting songs for Elvis that were not A-sides is extremely substantial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clinclink ( talk • contribs) 23:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I agree. The current organization makes it difficult to follow the flow of his career and not sure why there is an "Other Charted Songs" section? Why aren't those integrated into the other singles sections? Or why not just create an EP section if you do not want to include EP songs that charted in the singles sections? MHS1976 ( talk)
Is there any objection to reducing the number of US Chart columns to the major categories - Pop/Hot100, AC, C&W, R&B, instead of having separate columns for each chart publisher? I propose making Billboard the default for US charts, but if a song did not appear on Billboard, but did on Cash Box or Record World/Music Vendor, that chart information would be listed with a note that it was Cash Box or Music Vendor. An overall note would be added stating that US charts were from Billboard unless otherwise noted. An example is "That's All Right" which did not make the Billboard Country Chart but did reach 28 on the Music Vendor Country chart, because at the time Billboard only published a top 15 chart while Music Vendor had a top 50 chart. That could be listed with a note that it was from Music Vendor. If there was a significant showing on another chart that could be noted as well. For example, "Burning Love" peaked at number 2 on the Billboard Chart but reached number 1 on the Cash Box chart. The Billboard number 2 would be listed in the column with a note that said it reached number 1 on Cash Box. I think reducing the columns in this way would make the table less cluttered and more readable, but still provide significant information. What are your thoughts? ( MHS1976 ( talk) 16:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC))
Since no objections have been expressed, I will begin reducing the US chart columns in the next week or two. MHS1976 ( talk) 12:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC))
I began reducing/consolidating the US chart columns, adding notes providing additional chart information. It is a lot of notes since so many different US charts were published in the 1950s. Do I need to eliminate some of the notes? Just mention significant chart info - like reaching number 1 on Cashbox and/or Music Vendor and when a song failed to chart on Billboard but did on Cashbox and/or Music Vendor. Feedback welcomed! ( MHS1976 ( talk) 15:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC))
There is a section about RIAA certifications. Does anyone feel like there might be a need to extend that to other certifications? Many Elvis songs were certified in the UK. -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Should we remove the AUS column as a "bad/"fake"/retrospective chart? -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 06:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
@ WK1980: I think Australia can be safely removed cause it's a fake (retrospective) chart and it doesn't have historical value. After it is removed, there will remain 10 columns and no one will complain. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 16:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there any objection to integrating the Other Charted Songs section into the main tables? They appear to be songs that were released on EPs but charted on the singles charts. I think it would make more sense to just list them in the same tables as the other songs, and note that they were released on EPs in the US. WK1980 — Preceding undated comment added 01:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
In late 2021, the US Billboard, Cashbox, and Music Vendor/Record World sections were combined in this article in order to attempt to simplify it. I think it creates more problems since it adds a ton of footnotes. On top of that, Cashbox was just as important as Billboard until the early-to-mid 1970's or so, and Record World/Music Vendor was important in the 1950's until the early 1960's or so. The UK is the only other country that I can think of with multiple "main" charts, but those have reduced over time, and the UK has created one "official" chart combining the three charts into one (possibly negating the need for three UK charts here as well as the three US ones). EPBeatles ( talk) 03:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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WK1980: Concerning
this edit. That doesn't look correct cause it was usual at the time for singles to contain 2 strong sides. It is just that the side that became a bigger hit is now retrospectively considered the A-side.
Actually, maybe the original note was correct and "Don't Be Cruel" was originally intended as the A-side. You'll have to find the Billboard "Spotlight" review if there was one and see which side was listed first. --
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I really don't see the point of keeping this article and the hit singles page separate. Hell, even the Elvis Presley international hit singles page seems unnecessary.
I propose we merge all three pages, or at least this and the hit singles page. There are virtually no other artists who have separate pages for their singles in their home country and their singles abroad. In my opinion, all it does is create confusion and American centrism. I understand that the list of hit singles may be for the purpose of highlighting his commercial successes given that the singer has released hundreds of singles, but we should take into consideration if it is a worthwhile to Wikipedia. Mauri96 ( talk) 00:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
When split this article the interwiki were not changed. In spanish, "Anexo:Discografía de Elvis Presley" include both, singles and albums, but interwiki just link to this article. I fixed it but now a bot restore the wrong interwiki. Can someone please fix this mess? Thanks. -- Andreateletrabajo ( talk) 18:33, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I have noticed that some of the US Pop rankings aren't coming from the chart with the song achieved its peak position. In the case of "I Want You, I Need You, I Love", it's a #3 hit on the Top 100 and #1 on the Best Sellers list yet the former peak is listed. In contrast, "I Was The One" went to #23 on the Top 100 and #19 on the Disc Jockeys list ... and this time the Top 100 rank isn't used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WolfSpear ( talk • contribs) 06:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I edited the sentence "The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) first began tracking sales of Elvis Presley in 1958, who didn't receive his first Gold Album award until 1958" because (1) the RIAA began tracking sales of anybody in 1958, when the gold single and album awards were established; (2) consequently, saying that Elvis "didn't receive" an award "until 1958" is misleading, because nobody received any gold album awards from the RIAA until then; and (3) Elvis didn't receive a gold album award in 1958 anyway, but he did receive a gold single that year (his first gold album came in 1960). -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:13, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed in the singles chart the word flip is used. What does that mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.80.110.225 ( talk) 18:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I am re-opening this discussion. There are currently three articles documenting Elvis Presley's singles and much of this is overkill and/or redundant: Elvis Presley singles discography currently lists U.S. infomation only. List of Elvis Presley hit singles also has a U.S.-centric view, as well as many formatting problems, particularly the inclusion of "weeks at number one" numbers that clutter up the tables and aren't used in any other discography pages. The List of Elvis Presley international hit singles also has the same formatting errors, not to mention the separation as all non-U.S. countries grouped together as "international". What was the reasoning behind this info being separated into so many articles? I'm suggesting that this all be merged together to adhere to uniformity of other artist discographies. - eo ( talk) 18:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
–As a user from the UK who just tried to find some singles information for Elvis and found this horrendously difficult due to all the various pages, I AGREE, please merge them.—ASM 14th October 2015
I spotted a number of errors where a single was noted as being "single only" in the Album field. For example, Joshua Fit the Battle and His Hand in Mine were not "singles only" but were taken from the (albeit several-year-old) His Hand in Mine album. Easy Question was released as a single several years after appearing on an album. These need to be policed and corrected. 68.146.70.124 ( talk) 22:40, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm browsing the Elvis songs and checking release dates, chart #'s, etc. I noticed that one song says it was released in December of '55, yet it charted #5 in July '55. How can that be? It charted before it was even released?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shirley449 ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
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This has been a couple of months in the making, but I have finally reorganized this page to make it easier to read and match the formatting to the way a singles discography should be per wiki standards. I have also replaced all the dead source links with working links.
I hope this makes it much easier for everyone to browse for singles information! Benjichilders ( talk) 22:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
This post states that Elvis Presley had 33 number 1 singles, but that is deceiving and maybe that section should be removed. In the United States, Elvis Presley had 17 number 1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 and the Beatles had 20 number 1 hits on that metric. In the United Kingdom, Elvis Presley had 21 number 1 hits on the Record Retailer (now Music Week), but this is debatable as three of these hits were re-issues of songs that were already number 1 hits decades earlier. The Beatles had 17 number 1 hits on that metric. The number 33 in this post combines both metrics, plus US Cashbox and UK New Musical Express, which are not official. Dkf12 ( talk) 14:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Is there any objection to adding the US chart information for Record World / Music Vendor? I think it would add some good information. For example, some of Elvis' early singles made the Music Vendor country chart while they did not make the Billboard or Cash Box chart, because Music Vendor was a top 50 chart while the others were only a top 15 chart. ( MHS1976 ( talk) 18:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC))
I have started adding Music Vendor / Record World chart information one section at a time. MHS1976 ( talk)
The merge has caused many issues, and solved none. The order of charting songs in the U.S. is extremely hard to follow now. "American centrism" was used as a reason for the merge, but Elvis was American, so it would make the most since to have a U.S. centric discography and however many other pages were needed or desired for other countries. No one country should have to settle for being lumped together as 'International".
Dates of release, B-sides, and at times even the version of the song differed country to country, none of this is easily conveyed in the current article.
The old article listing A-side/B-side also nicely dealt with the charting songs from Extended Plays. The excuse that "other singers discographies are not organized that way" is ridiculous, as the number of charting songs for Elvis that were not A-sides is extremely substantial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clinclink ( talk • contribs) 23:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I agree. The current organization makes it difficult to follow the flow of his career and not sure why there is an "Other Charted Songs" section? Why aren't those integrated into the other singles sections? Or why not just create an EP section if you do not want to include EP songs that charted in the singles sections? MHS1976 ( talk)
Is there any objection to reducing the number of US Chart columns to the major categories - Pop/Hot100, AC, C&W, R&B, instead of having separate columns for each chart publisher? I propose making Billboard the default for US charts, but if a song did not appear on Billboard, but did on Cash Box or Record World/Music Vendor, that chart information would be listed with a note that it was Cash Box or Music Vendor. An overall note would be added stating that US charts were from Billboard unless otherwise noted. An example is "That's All Right" which did not make the Billboard Country Chart but did reach 28 on the Music Vendor Country chart, because at the time Billboard only published a top 15 chart while Music Vendor had a top 50 chart. That could be listed with a note that it was from Music Vendor. If there was a significant showing on another chart that could be noted as well. For example, "Burning Love" peaked at number 2 on the Billboard Chart but reached number 1 on the Cash Box chart. The Billboard number 2 would be listed in the column with a note that said it reached number 1 on Cash Box. I think reducing the columns in this way would make the table less cluttered and more readable, but still provide significant information. What are your thoughts? ( MHS1976 ( talk) 16:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC))
Since no objections have been expressed, I will begin reducing the US chart columns in the next week or two. MHS1976 ( talk) 12:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC))
I began reducing/consolidating the US chart columns, adding notes providing additional chart information. It is a lot of notes since so many different US charts were published in the 1950s. Do I need to eliminate some of the notes? Just mention significant chart info - like reaching number 1 on Cashbox and/or Music Vendor and when a song failed to chart on Billboard but did on Cashbox and/or Music Vendor. Feedback welcomed! ( MHS1976 ( talk) 15:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC))
There is a section about RIAA certifications. Does anyone feel like there might be a need to extend that to other certifications? Many Elvis songs were certified in the UK. -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: Should we remove the AUS column as a "bad/"fake"/retrospective chart? -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 06:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
@ WK1980: I think Australia can be safely removed cause it's a fake (retrospective) chart and it doesn't have historical value. After it is removed, there will remain 10 columns and no one will complain. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 16:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there any objection to integrating the Other Charted Songs section into the main tables? They appear to be songs that were released on EPs but charted on the singles charts. I think it would make more sense to just list them in the same tables as the other songs, and note that they were released on EPs in the US. WK1980 — Preceding undated comment added 01:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
In late 2021, the US Billboard, Cashbox, and Music Vendor/Record World sections were combined in this article in order to attempt to simplify it. I think it creates more problems since it adds a ton of footnotes. On top of that, Cashbox was just as important as Billboard until the early-to-mid 1970's or so, and Record World/Music Vendor was important in the 1950's until the early 1960's or so. The UK is the only other country that I can think of with multiple "main" charts, but those have reduced over time, and the UK has created one "official" chart combining the three charts into one (possibly negating the need for three UK charts here as well as the three US ones). EPBeatles ( talk) 03:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
@
WK1980: Concerning
this edit. That doesn't look correct cause it was usual at the time for singles to contain 2 strong sides. It is just that the side that became a bigger hit is now retrospectively considered the A-side.
Actually, maybe the original note was correct and "Don't Be Cruel" was originally intended as the A-side. You'll have to find the Billboard "Spotlight" review if there was one and see which side was listed first. --
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