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In the Family history section, it states that the "surname Presley was Anglicized from the German Pressler during the Civil War." In the Trivia section of the article it says "The Presley surname comes from the Preseli Hills in Pembrokshire, Wales, UK. The hills are the source of the famous bluestones that make Stonehenge. "
The intro reads:
Elvis Aaron Presley (January 8, 1935 – August 16, 1977), also known as "The King of Rock 'n' Roll" and "Elvis the Pelvis", was an American singer, song producer and actor.
What songs did Elvis produce? If he did produce any music then it should say "music producer" or "record producer", not "song producer". So can someone give a credible source to that says Elvis produced his own music? Otherwise, this will have to be deleted. It's an encyclopedia entry, you can't just make things up. So was he, or was he not a record producer?-- Street walker 13:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Elvis produced a lot of his records, as documented in the documentary "Elvis '56".
Phil Spector also considered Elvis to be an excellent producer. Not sure what better endorsement he could get.
Mentioing that other artists broke some of presleys records is fine, but there is no need to add three select artists, as you could name others as well. This is an Elvis Presley-article and noting that some records were broke by others without names is enough.
Any thoughts? ( Source) His parents ancestors were part of the Sinti people commonly known as "Black Dutch" or "Melungeons". It is also likely that from his mother's side, Smith by surname, the family would have been of Romanichel origins.-- 81.77.78.217 18:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
There should be a special paragraph concerning Elvis's allegedly wild sex life in the Wikipedia article on Elvis. As a recent Playboy article by reputed Elvis biographer Alanna Nash (See also this), Priscilla Presley's statements in her book Elvis and Me (See here) and similar statements by Suzanne Finstad in her book, Child Bride: The Untold Story of Priscilla Beaulieu Presley prove, Elvis was not overtly sexual towards his wife and other women as has been claimed in the "Relationships"-section of the Wikipedia article. Further, according to Peter Guralnick and other sources, he spent the whole day and night with men from the Memphis Mafia, "living on speed and tranq's." See Talk:Memphis_Mafia#Additional_sources, so that even Elvis's friend Natalie Wood was of the opinion that the singer and the men from the Memphis Mafia might be homosexual. It could well be that Elvis was a victim of his own image, of all these built-in expectations of him as a womanizer and a sex symbol. There should be some critical remarks concerning these facts in a special paragraph of the article. There has not yet been a sufficient discussion on this topic.-- Onefortyone 15:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
It seems totally unnecessary to have these sections in the bio at all. Elvis has to be one of the most documented entertainers of all time. There have been over 2,000 books written about him yet user onefortyone seems to be fixated with unsubstantiated allegations about his sex life. Of the over 2,000 books less than 3 (one being a proposed manuscript) have suggested anything other than the notion that Elvis was a philanderer. I think it is highly volative of the NPOV to include what basically amounts to muck racking and what is against the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Looking at the history of this page it is clear that Used Onefortyone has a clear agenda of focusing solely on the sex live of Presley. That relates to his music how exactly?
I'm not sure how relevant that is given that Elvis did not write the song. Indeed, it had been covered by other artists both before and after Elvis. Does that mean that they are all homosexual? This is a nonsensical debate. Elvis life has been raked over more than anyother entertainer who has ever lived. Pretty much every detail of his life has been presented and now people who are desperate to make money off of his name are making claims with no credible support. An encyclopedia shouldn't include such nonsense.
User Onefortyone has added the following to the page:
In her book on Priscilla's life, Child Bride, Suzanne Finstad also confirms that Elvis hated sex.
There is no discussion on who Finstad is. No discussion as to the context of the book or the extremely broad suggestion that Elvis "hated sex". This should be removed from the page as it contradicts direct first person testimony from people who actually had relations with Preselty, bigoraphers who actually knew him etc. The issue here is that there have been so many books published about Presley that in order to get any attention later-day books have become more and more scandalous. Each book making an effort to "one up" the other.
If a book is published that suggests Elvis was a necrophiliac should we have a section for that? Under user Onefortyone's standards it would be entirely legitimate. This entry should be edited to comport with basic standards of credibility. Lochdale
Byron Raphael is talking about the time before Lamar Fike and the other Memphis Mafia guys were on the scene. In an interview, he emphasizes,
Some further quotes from the interview with Raphael (see [2]):
There can be no doubt that Elvis dated several girls, as many of his female fans wanted to meet him. That's not the question. The question is what was actually going on behind closed doors. According to Byron Raphael,
So it is quite clear that Lamar Fike couldn't have known what was going on in 1956. To sum up, there is no doubt that Elvis dated several girls, but in most cases he didn't have sexual intercourse with them. The remaining question is, did he have homosexual affairs as well as affairs with women? Some published sources claim he had. These are the facts. Onefortyone 18:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Just as a follow up to user OnefortyOne's general theme, there have been over 2,000 books published about Elvis. The number of articles about him probably range in the hundreds of thousands. Of all of the books detailing his life, his music and his foibles; of all of the magazine articles detailing pretty much the same thing, user OnefortyOne has managed to find three articles/sources of questionable credibility to support his agenda. In essence, this article has been hijacked by user OnefortyOne and I think it's a shame that he has been allowed to push his own agenda on this article Lochdale
Daniel Rancour-Laferriere suggests that there is an element of homoeroticism in people's adoration of starts like Presely or a James Dean. He DOES NOT suggest that Elvis was gay!
And lastly, Albert Goldman never suggested Elvis was either gay, bi-sexual or otherwise no infatuated with women. Of the many things in his book, that wasn't one of them. Lochdale
So, beacuse 4 out of over 2000 Presley books/articles support your view this should then be reported as fact? I don't think so. The reliability of these few sources is also questionable. I've just recently noticed that you are on probation for inserting poorly sourced information and original research 141, and if you continue to push your own agenda with unreliable and disputed sources then i'll be forced to report you.-- Count Chocula 04:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, just because something (non-medical/scientific) was peer reviewed it does not mean that the review supports the contention made in the thesis or dissertation. Further, in your effort to defend Raphael and the Playboy article all you can provide is that Raphael worked for Tom Parker. Noone is doubting that but it seems clear that he had no real access to Elvis and that he certainly wasn't close enough to him to either acquire girls for him or sleep with Natalie Wood! User OnefortyOne appears to be engaging in a pattern of distortive practices. Lochdale
This has nothing to do with the above discussion regarding Elvis being gay, but I grew up in the 60's and 70's and he seemed to be splashed across the tabloids weekly about cheating on Priscilla, and I do recall he was with other women during their relationship (hasn't Ann Margret said she was with him while he was with Priscilla?). It seemed to me he couldn't stop cheating, and didn't Priscilla say he didn't want her sexually after she became pregnant? He definitely had some weird attitudes towards women, even at that time. Although, the latest gossip on George Clooney and Terri Hatcher is that Clooney is the love 'em and leave 'em type as well.
The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) has just published its updated list of the 150 highest selling artists ever. IFPI has finally come up with a list of the top-selling acts in History. It's about time.
The top 10 is as follows:
01. The Beatles: 40 400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock/Pop Guinness/EMI
02. Michael Jackson: 14 350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979-) Pop/R&B
03. Elvis Presley: 150 300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country/Rock
04. Madonna 16 275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984-) Pop
05. Nana Mouskouri 450 250,000,000 Greece 60s-00s (1959-) Pop
06. Cliff Richard 60 250,000,000 UK 50s-00s (1959-1969,1977-1979,1986-1999) Rock/Pop
07. The Rolling Stones 54 ~250,000,000 UK 60s-00s (1964-1981) Rock
08. Mariah Carey 14 230,000,000 US 90s-00s (1990-) Pop/R&B
09. Elton John 43 ~220,000,000 UK 70s-00s (1972-1976,1989-1991,1997-) Pop
10. Celine Dion 21 220,000,000 Canada 80s-00s (1990-) Pop Music/Pop
Source: IFPI's website and Madonna's website.
This list is PHONY! It is MADE UP by a Michael Jackson fan. Look at the link to the "IFPI Website", it goes to a MJ fan site, not the IFPI site. Also, it is written in the same format as the list that is on wikipedia, and has been merely edited by the person who runs the fan sites, it's a load of bullcrap! IFPI's site has NO MENTION of this fake made up list whatsoever!
No it was not made up by a Michael Jackson fan. It is phony to claim that. Open your eyes.
Someone has been sticking this list in many talk pages over the past few weeks. But just to clarify, this list is actually fake. IFPI has not published such a list, and are currently tracking down the source of it.-- 203.51.30.130 12:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Allmusic.com has Elvis as the highest selling performer of all time.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:q1u06j6h71l0~T1
The long list of mostly unsourced quotes has been moved to Wikiquote. Please refer to the talk page at Elvis' quotes discussion for details. Best regards.-- Hall Monitor 21:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Elvis put a paton on his sideburns in 1975.
The fact that Presley comes from Pressler is only a theory of one person.I dont think it should be stated as fact. At least the source should be shown.
I agree, go to Ancestry.com at http://www.ancestry.netscape.com/trees/fft/pedigree.aspx?t=4 and you can see he doesn't have much of a known family tree, at least on that website which is a major genealogical site. Also in the facts section at the end of the article an alternative theory is suggested, that the name Presley came from the Preseli Hills in Wales. BeringStrait 02:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I removed the text inserted by Oneforty both here and at Memphis Mafia as the quotes are deliberately taken out of context to promote User:Onefortyone's agenda for which he was placed on probation. The entire article presents a completely different picture than what is falsely portrayed here in Onefortyone's continued attempt to portray Elvis Presly as gay. As an example, below are other quotes from the Byron Raphael article:
Text inserted by Onefortyone and removed by Ted Wilkes:
The quote that user OnefortyOne has inserted into the article regarding Elvis not being "hot and heavy" in bed is clearly taken out of context. It appears that Elvis suffered some guilt in sleeping with what appears to be hundreds of women. He also appeared to be fond of oral sex, both giving and receiving. Now all of this is "fascinating" I suppose but I wonder what place it has on this page? User Onefortyone has used unreliable sources and taken articles entirely out of context. Lochdale
"Elvis seldom went all the way in these situations, for two reasons. One, he was uncircumcised, and he worried that his foreskin would tear during intercourse. And. two, he always remembered his mother teaching him that sex before marriage was a sin. One day I brought three young girls into Elvis’s bedroom — a preference he’d indulged since his earliest days on the road, when he sometimes entertained six girls at once. Soon they were all naked, but Elvis again stayed in his underwear, kissing and fondling them and eventually falling asleep with them in his arms, his own records playing softly in the background. At other times, back home in Memphis, he’d have “slumber parties,” which were threesomes with junior-high girls. He’d wash their hair and put makeup on them and let them do the same to him. But when it came to sex, Elvis was the king of kink, satisfied simply to let the girls masturbate him until he ejaculated into their hair. Then he’d send them home at four a.m. so they could go to school. "
Lastly, it appears that the author, Byron Raphael, of this article may not have had the role he said he had. There are almost no pictues of him with Presley, without Parker present, and his name just does not appear in any books by the Memphis Mafia. In this article the author has himself having sex with Natalie Wood (which also put her comments in context).
Indeed, it appears that quite a number of people are questioning just who Raphael was:
http://www.elvisnews.com/Presentation/Functional/Page/news.aspx?command=show&item=7046
Here are other quotes from the Byron Raphael article:
And as to Presley being "scared of Lizabeth Scott", Onefortyone made sure not to add:
- Ted Wilkes 15:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
NOTE: Edits by User:Onefortyone need to be carefully checked as he is on Wikipedia:Probation after being found guilty of fabricating information and deliberately inserting it into Wikipedia articles:
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Onefortyone/Proposed decision :
1) Contentious facts which cannot be verified as having been published in a reputable source cannot be included in a Wikipedia article Wikipedia:Verifiability, see especially Wikipedia:Verifiability#Dubious_sources. Information should have been published in a reliable source Wikipedia:Reliable sources. In the case of unusual or scandalous assertions this becomes even more important, see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_evidence
4) Onefortyone, in at least one instance, cites a source which does not exist in the form cited [6], see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Onefortyone/Workshop#Citing_of_nonexistent_sources_by_Onefortyone
- Ted Wilkes 14:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
For your information, Ted Wilkes has now been blocked for one week for repeatedly violating his probation. See [7]. No further comment. I accepted the arbcom votes and I am now frequently citing my sources. Therefore, I have not been banned from any article. But truth be told, Ted, the arbitration committee did not mention in their statement that what I have cited was published on two different websites and was based on information from the World Entertainment News Network. Here is one of these internet sources: [8] or [9]. Further, did you mention that the arbcom also said that I am a good editor who sometimes went too far (in the past)? It is a fact, Ted, that you, according to the arbitration committee, are "banned from making any edit related to a person's alleged homosexuality or bisexuality". See [10] and [11]. And there was good reason for this. Here is a statement from the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard:
This is a clear statement. No further comment. We should now return to Elvis-related topics. Onefortyone 23:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Anita Wood is a Pentecostal and an active member who teaches in her church. She adheres to her Church doctrine that states that "pre-marital sex is a sin." Do not, under any circumstanxces, make fun or denegrate people's religious beliefs be they Cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad or the teaching of the Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, and numerous other major world religions. - Ted Wilkes 14:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Or perhaps Presley was merely telling his very young wife what she wanted to hear. That is, he was faithful to her and was still a virgin just like her.
You seem overly obsessed with Preseley's sex life. That's really not what this should be about as it's his music and cultural impact that should be the issue of this page not innuendo about his sex life.
Is there any way that we can update this section? It's seems rather threadbare and should have more detailed information. For example, the notion that Elvis copied his style from Captain Marvel seems fairly incredulous and has been mentioned only by one author. I'll try to update the section myself but would appreciate editorial help.
Surely the article should mention how Presley wrote to Nixon requesting a meeting, and then asked the President to ban the Beatles from the States. We should also mention how he wrote to J. Edgar Hoover requesting to join the FBI during its campaign against political dissent.
Ya, I heard about Elvis trying to ban The Beatles from America as well. -- GorillazFanAdam 03:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Elvis was garbage..It's a fact that The Beatles Was the BIGGEST act in the 20th century..Oh and btw..The Beatles were HUGE fans of Elvis :)
The Beatles were never as big as Elvis, they said so themselves.
No, I know what your talking about, John Lennon.....Not the BAND itself..But just John Lennon for his political activism. Like Paul Mccartney for example, still, and forever will..Respects him..Oh and btw..John Lennon gave props to Elvis by saying "before Elvis, there was nothing" He said that AFTER he was aware that elvis was trying to remove him.
Elvis himself said that he couldn't stand John Lennon but he liked the rest of the Beatles. George Harrison even attended Elvis' funeral.
Here is the first issue of the Hollywood Star Magazine (1979). The cover headline says, "Elvis was bisexual: Nick Adams was his lover." Onefortyone 20:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC) [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg -->|thumb|left| Hollywood Star Magazine, vol 1 no 1, 1979.]]
Yo, onefortyone, u r the biggest douche bag i've seeen in my life..Really, if you think the F****** TABLOIDS ARE RIGHT..well..wow..you are more dumb then I thought you little pussy ass bitch
Re: Claim by Onefortyone, the ArbCom-convicted liar:
FACT: You were convicted for lying by the Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee for fabricating information that you deliberately inserted into articles to perpetuate your agenda and to mislead readers and you continue to do so. And, I repeat that Alanna Nash made no such claim, ever. - Ted Wilkes 17:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Onefortyone, merely by mentioning this clearly unreliable source here you are clearly violating your probation under the clause here: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Onefortyone#Sources cited by Onefortyone. Please follow the terms of your probation. I have absolutely no more patience with you in this matter and I am not going to debate this with you, I am merely letting you know that if you continue this in any way, I will be forced to notify the ArbCom of your violation. Drop it now. -- DDG 20:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
For decades the FBI kept files on all the threats and crimes aimed against or relating to Elvis. In his book The FBI Files on Elvis Presley (2001), Thomas Fensch reproduces actual texts from numerous FBI reports dating from 1959 to 1981,which represent a "microcosm [of Presley's] behind-the-scenes life." In the extensive appendix, the author reprints 36 pages of original documents as full-page illustrations, showing exactly how the FBI handled these cases. So we have now some well documented sources. Interestingly, on p.30-33, there is an account of Elvis being the victim of Laurens Johannes Griessel-Landau of Johannesburg who represented himself to be a doctor specialist in the field of dermatology. When Presley was in the military service in Germany, he hired this man "proported to be a medical doctor and a skin specialist." Among the documents the author provides are copies of letters from Griessel-Landau to Elvis and one of his secretaries. There can be no doubt that Griessel-Landau made homosexual passes at the singer and his friends. According to the FBI files, Griessel-Landau had
This made Griessel-Landau angry and he decided to extort sums of money from the singer. Elvis "was interviewed on 28 December 1959 concerning his complaint that he was the victim of blackmail..." The case was referred to the FBI. According to the FBI files, Griessel-Landau "threatened to expose Presley by photographs and tape recordings which are alleged to present Presley in compromising situations." An investigation determined that Griessel Landau was not a medical doctor. Finally, "By negotiation, Presley agreed to pay Griessel-Landau $200.00 for treatments received and also to furnish him with a $315.00 plane fare to London, England." Onefortyone 03:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Here is another source which is fully in line with Byron Raphael, Priscilla Presley and Suzanne Finstad who also say that Elvis wasn't overtly sexual towards women. According to her memoir, Breathing Out (St. Martin's Press, 2005), model and actress Peggy Lipton, who played the hip chick of TV's undercover Mod Squad in the late 1960s and early '70s, had a fling with Elvis: "He was a great kisser," she says, "but that was about it." On p. 172 of her book, she relates that Elvis was like a "teenage boy":
Because he couldn't consummate sex, the eye-witness adds, Elvis
I would say that this account speaks for itself. Onefortyone 03:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/celebrities/celebrities11.html you think, perhaps she may have an agenda? And isn't this odd that is all coming out long after Presley has died? Lochdale
Elvis had no problem getting it up for Gladys and Nick Adams.
I think the article needs more coverage and most likely a picture of the fat, vegas elvis. savidan (talk) (e@) 02:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Elvis was heavy but (by todays standards) was never fat. Added in this edit by 66.168.115.168 ( contributions)
Is that a joke? Presley was nearly 300 lbs when he died. Added in this edit by 195.93.21.65 ( contributions, previous contribution)
I remember seeing a 1996 UK documentary entitled, "The Burger & the King", directed by James Marsh, that delved into Elvis' overeating and hypothesised that he had developed eating disorders as a result of his childhood poverty and hunger. I seem to remember that the documentary was based on a book of the same (or similar name). I remember the documentary included extensive interviews with people who had been closely involved with Elvis' overeating and preoccupation with food at various times of his life. In my view this very sad issue is important in reaching a rounded understanding of Elvis' life (particularly his later life). Would quotes from this documentary constitute evidence for the purposes of Wikipedia? If so, I might go to the trouble of getting a copy of the documentary and/or book and including quotes. -- -- Dorado 01:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
ELVIS WAS NOT 300 POUNDS! in 1970 he weighed about 170. in the late 70s (i'm talking '75-'77...there's pictures of elvis at the airport in '74 where he looks like it could have been from '69 or '70!!!), elvis was in the early 200s. 250 at TOPS--perhaps the absolute worst. if you look at elvis' figure, you will note that he is not fat (and the weight is not from food), but bloated. his arms and legs are quite skinny, and look out of proportion. elvis had a blocked small intestine which caused water retention. within days, elvis could go from a lean physique to a bloated one--fluctuating all the time in his last few years.
elvis' weight problems started LONG before the '70s. in the early-'60s, if you watch follow that dream or kid galahad ('62), you will notice that elvis is heavier there than he his during the first half of the '70s. in king creole ('58) you will notice he is quite a bit bigger than he was in jailhouse rock ('57). he had weight trouble his entire life, but the '70s had nothing to do with his eating habits, but his health and rapidly deteriorating body.
he also had a hereditary heart problem that also caused gladys' and several of his cousins' early deaths. gladys was 46, elvis was 42 and several of his cousins died even younger. vernon also had heart problems (5 heart attacks). elvis also had glaucoma from the dye in his eyebrows leaking into his eyes...he would have probably become blind from it. elvis was a bucket full of health issues, and more than just drugs or weight. the weak misshapen heart (the right half was hereditarily enlarged) was part of it.
This place is hilarious! Why isn't the article protected? Is there a possibility that something special might happen in his life which would need to be include in the article? I imagine that this page is an absolute magnet for looney tunes without Wikipedia accounts. I'm not sure, but I think there are still some parts which say that he is "supposedly" dead, but these might have already been fixed by the recent revert. In case I've been logged out again (damn cookies!) I'm User:Zyxoas. 216.239.58.136 00:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
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In the Family history section, it states that the "surname Presley was Anglicized from the German Pressler during the Civil War." In the Trivia section of the article it says "The Presley surname comes from the Preseli Hills in Pembrokshire, Wales, UK. The hills are the source of the famous bluestones that make Stonehenge. "
The intro reads:
Elvis Aaron Presley (January 8, 1935 – August 16, 1977), also known as "The King of Rock 'n' Roll" and "Elvis the Pelvis", was an American singer, song producer and actor.
What songs did Elvis produce? If he did produce any music then it should say "music producer" or "record producer", not "song producer". So can someone give a credible source to that says Elvis produced his own music? Otherwise, this will have to be deleted. It's an encyclopedia entry, you can't just make things up. So was he, or was he not a record producer?-- Street walker 13:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Elvis produced a lot of his records, as documented in the documentary "Elvis '56".
Phil Spector also considered Elvis to be an excellent producer. Not sure what better endorsement he could get.
Mentioing that other artists broke some of presleys records is fine, but there is no need to add three select artists, as you could name others as well. This is an Elvis Presley-article and noting that some records were broke by others without names is enough.
Any thoughts? ( Source) His parents ancestors were part of the Sinti people commonly known as "Black Dutch" or "Melungeons". It is also likely that from his mother's side, Smith by surname, the family would have been of Romanichel origins.-- 81.77.78.217 18:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
There should be a special paragraph concerning Elvis's allegedly wild sex life in the Wikipedia article on Elvis. As a recent Playboy article by reputed Elvis biographer Alanna Nash (See also this), Priscilla Presley's statements in her book Elvis and Me (See here) and similar statements by Suzanne Finstad in her book, Child Bride: The Untold Story of Priscilla Beaulieu Presley prove, Elvis was not overtly sexual towards his wife and other women as has been claimed in the "Relationships"-section of the Wikipedia article. Further, according to Peter Guralnick and other sources, he spent the whole day and night with men from the Memphis Mafia, "living on speed and tranq's." See Talk:Memphis_Mafia#Additional_sources, so that even Elvis's friend Natalie Wood was of the opinion that the singer and the men from the Memphis Mafia might be homosexual. It could well be that Elvis was a victim of his own image, of all these built-in expectations of him as a womanizer and a sex symbol. There should be some critical remarks concerning these facts in a special paragraph of the article. There has not yet been a sufficient discussion on this topic.-- Onefortyone 15:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
It seems totally unnecessary to have these sections in the bio at all. Elvis has to be one of the most documented entertainers of all time. There have been over 2,000 books written about him yet user onefortyone seems to be fixated with unsubstantiated allegations about his sex life. Of the over 2,000 books less than 3 (one being a proposed manuscript) have suggested anything other than the notion that Elvis was a philanderer. I think it is highly volative of the NPOV to include what basically amounts to muck racking and what is against the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Looking at the history of this page it is clear that Used Onefortyone has a clear agenda of focusing solely on the sex live of Presley. That relates to his music how exactly?
I'm not sure how relevant that is given that Elvis did not write the song. Indeed, it had been covered by other artists both before and after Elvis. Does that mean that they are all homosexual? This is a nonsensical debate. Elvis life has been raked over more than anyother entertainer who has ever lived. Pretty much every detail of his life has been presented and now people who are desperate to make money off of his name are making claims with no credible support. An encyclopedia shouldn't include such nonsense.
User Onefortyone has added the following to the page:
In her book on Priscilla's life, Child Bride, Suzanne Finstad also confirms that Elvis hated sex.
There is no discussion on who Finstad is. No discussion as to the context of the book or the extremely broad suggestion that Elvis "hated sex". This should be removed from the page as it contradicts direct first person testimony from people who actually had relations with Preselty, bigoraphers who actually knew him etc. The issue here is that there have been so many books published about Presley that in order to get any attention later-day books have become more and more scandalous. Each book making an effort to "one up" the other.
If a book is published that suggests Elvis was a necrophiliac should we have a section for that? Under user Onefortyone's standards it would be entirely legitimate. This entry should be edited to comport with basic standards of credibility. Lochdale
Byron Raphael is talking about the time before Lamar Fike and the other Memphis Mafia guys were on the scene. In an interview, he emphasizes,
Some further quotes from the interview with Raphael (see [2]):
There can be no doubt that Elvis dated several girls, as many of his female fans wanted to meet him. That's not the question. The question is what was actually going on behind closed doors. According to Byron Raphael,
So it is quite clear that Lamar Fike couldn't have known what was going on in 1956. To sum up, there is no doubt that Elvis dated several girls, but in most cases he didn't have sexual intercourse with them. The remaining question is, did he have homosexual affairs as well as affairs with women? Some published sources claim he had. These are the facts. Onefortyone 18:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Just as a follow up to user OnefortyOne's general theme, there have been over 2,000 books published about Elvis. The number of articles about him probably range in the hundreds of thousands. Of all of the books detailing his life, his music and his foibles; of all of the magazine articles detailing pretty much the same thing, user OnefortyOne has managed to find three articles/sources of questionable credibility to support his agenda. In essence, this article has been hijacked by user OnefortyOne and I think it's a shame that he has been allowed to push his own agenda on this article Lochdale
Daniel Rancour-Laferriere suggests that there is an element of homoeroticism in people's adoration of starts like Presely or a James Dean. He DOES NOT suggest that Elvis was gay!
And lastly, Albert Goldman never suggested Elvis was either gay, bi-sexual or otherwise no infatuated with women. Of the many things in his book, that wasn't one of them. Lochdale
So, beacuse 4 out of over 2000 Presley books/articles support your view this should then be reported as fact? I don't think so. The reliability of these few sources is also questionable. I've just recently noticed that you are on probation for inserting poorly sourced information and original research 141, and if you continue to push your own agenda with unreliable and disputed sources then i'll be forced to report you.-- Count Chocula 04:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, just because something (non-medical/scientific) was peer reviewed it does not mean that the review supports the contention made in the thesis or dissertation. Further, in your effort to defend Raphael and the Playboy article all you can provide is that Raphael worked for Tom Parker. Noone is doubting that but it seems clear that he had no real access to Elvis and that he certainly wasn't close enough to him to either acquire girls for him or sleep with Natalie Wood! User OnefortyOne appears to be engaging in a pattern of distortive practices. Lochdale
This has nothing to do with the above discussion regarding Elvis being gay, but I grew up in the 60's and 70's and he seemed to be splashed across the tabloids weekly about cheating on Priscilla, and I do recall he was with other women during their relationship (hasn't Ann Margret said she was with him while he was with Priscilla?). It seemed to me he couldn't stop cheating, and didn't Priscilla say he didn't want her sexually after she became pregnant? He definitely had some weird attitudes towards women, even at that time. Although, the latest gossip on George Clooney and Terri Hatcher is that Clooney is the love 'em and leave 'em type as well.
The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) has just published its updated list of the 150 highest selling artists ever. IFPI has finally come up with a list of the top-selling acts in History. It's about time.
The top 10 is as follows:
01. The Beatles: 40 400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock/Pop Guinness/EMI
02. Michael Jackson: 14 350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979-) Pop/R&B
03. Elvis Presley: 150 300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country/Rock
04. Madonna 16 275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984-) Pop
05. Nana Mouskouri 450 250,000,000 Greece 60s-00s (1959-) Pop
06. Cliff Richard 60 250,000,000 UK 50s-00s (1959-1969,1977-1979,1986-1999) Rock/Pop
07. The Rolling Stones 54 ~250,000,000 UK 60s-00s (1964-1981) Rock
08. Mariah Carey 14 230,000,000 US 90s-00s (1990-) Pop/R&B
09. Elton John 43 ~220,000,000 UK 70s-00s (1972-1976,1989-1991,1997-) Pop
10. Celine Dion 21 220,000,000 Canada 80s-00s (1990-) Pop Music/Pop
Source: IFPI's website and Madonna's website.
This list is PHONY! It is MADE UP by a Michael Jackson fan. Look at the link to the "IFPI Website", it goes to a MJ fan site, not the IFPI site. Also, it is written in the same format as the list that is on wikipedia, and has been merely edited by the person who runs the fan sites, it's a load of bullcrap! IFPI's site has NO MENTION of this fake made up list whatsoever!
No it was not made up by a Michael Jackson fan. It is phony to claim that. Open your eyes.
Someone has been sticking this list in many talk pages over the past few weeks. But just to clarify, this list is actually fake. IFPI has not published such a list, and are currently tracking down the source of it.-- 203.51.30.130 12:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Allmusic.com has Elvis as the highest selling performer of all time.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:q1u06j6h71l0~T1
The long list of mostly unsourced quotes has been moved to Wikiquote. Please refer to the talk page at Elvis' quotes discussion for details. Best regards.-- Hall Monitor 21:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Elvis put a paton on his sideburns in 1975.
The fact that Presley comes from Pressler is only a theory of one person.I dont think it should be stated as fact. At least the source should be shown.
I agree, go to Ancestry.com at http://www.ancestry.netscape.com/trees/fft/pedigree.aspx?t=4 and you can see he doesn't have much of a known family tree, at least on that website which is a major genealogical site. Also in the facts section at the end of the article an alternative theory is suggested, that the name Presley came from the Preseli Hills in Wales. BeringStrait 02:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I removed the text inserted by Oneforty both here and at Memphis Mafia as the quotes are deliberately taken out of context to promote User:Onefortyone's agenda for which he was placed on probation. The entire article presents a completely different picture than what is falsely portrayed here in Onefortyone's continued attempt to portray Elvis Presly as gay. As an example, below are other quotes from the Byron Raphael article:
Text inserted by Onefortyone and removed by Ted Wilkes:
The quote that user OnefortyOne has inserted into the article regarding Elvis not being "hot and heavy" in bed is clearly taken out of context. It appears that Elvis suffered some guilt in sleeping with what appears to be hundreds of women. He also appeared to be fond of oral sex, both giving and receiving. Now all of this is "fascinating" I suppose but I wonder what place it has on this page? User Onefortyone has used unreliable sources and taken articles entirely out of context. Lochdale
"Elvis seldom went all the way in these situations, for two reasons. One, he was uncircumcised, and he worried that his foreskin would tear during intercourse. And. two, he always remembered his mother teaching him that sex before marriage was a sin. One day I brought three young girls into Elvis’s bedroom — a preference he’d indulged since his earliest days on the road, when he sometimes entertained six girls at once. Soon they were all naked, but Elvis again stayed in his underwear, kissing and fondling them and eventually falling asleep with them in his arms, his own records playing softly in the background. At other times, back home in Memphis, he’d have “slumber parties,” which were threesomes with junior-high girls. He’d wash their hair and put makeup on them and let them do the same to him. But when it came to sex, Elvis was the king of kink, satisfied simply to let the girls masturbate him until he ejaculated into their hair. Then he’d send them home at four a.m. so they could go to school. "
Lastly, it appears that the author, Byron Raphael, of this article may not have had the role he said he had. There are almost no pictues of him with Presley, without Parker present, and his name just does not appear in any books by the Memphis Mafia. In this article the author has himself having sex with Natalie Wood (which also put her comments in context).
Indeed, it appears that quite a number of people are questioning just who Raphael was:
http://www.elvisnews.com/Presentation/Functional/Page/news.aspx?command=show&item=7046
Here are other quotes from the Byron Raphael article:
And as to Presley being "scared of Lizabeth Scott", Onefortyone made sure not to add:
- Ted Wilkes 15:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
NOTE: Edits by User:Onefortyone need to be carefully checked as he is on Wikipedia:Probation after being found guilty of fabricating information and deliberately inserting it into Wikipedia articles:
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Onefortyone/Proposed decision :
1) Contentious facts which cannot be verified as having been published in a reputable source cannot be included in a Wikipedia article Wikipedia:Verifiability, see especially Wikipedia:Verifiability#Dubious_sources. Information should have been published in a reliable source Wikipedia:Reliable sources. In the case of unusual or scandalous assertions this becomes even more important, see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_evidence
4) Onefortyone, in at least one instance, cites a source which does not exist in the form cited [6], see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Onefortyone/Workshop#Citing_of_nonexistent_sources_by_Onefortyone
- Ted Wilkes 14:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
For your information, Ted Wilkes has now been blocked for one week for repeatedly violating his probation. See [7]. No further comment. I accepted the arbcom votes and I am now frequently citing my sources. Therefore, I have not been banned from any article. But truth be told, Ted, the arbitration committee did not mention in their statement that what I have cited was published on two different websites and was based on information from the World Entertainment News Network. Here is one of these internet sources: [8] or [9]. Further, did you mention that the arbcom also said that I am a good editor who sometimes went too far (in the past)? It is a fact, Ted, that you, according to the arbitration committee, are "banned from making any edit related to a person's alleged homosexuality or bisexuality". See [10] and [11]. And there was good reason for this. Here is a statement from the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard:
This is a clear statement. No further comment. We should now return to Elvis-related topics. Onefortyone 23:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Anita Wood is a Pentecostal and an active member who teaches in her church. She adheres to her Church doctrine that states that "pre-marital sex is a sin." Do not, under any circumstanxces, make fun or denegrate people's religious beliefs be they Cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad or the teaching of the Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, and numerous other major world religions. - Ted Wilkes 14:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Or perhaps Presley was merely telling his very young wife what she wanted to hear. That is, he was faithful to her and was still a virgin just like her.
You seem overly obsessed with Preseley's sex life. That's really not what this should be about as it's his music and cultural impact that should be the issue of this page not innuendo about his sex life.
Is there any way that we can update this section? It's seems rather threadbare and should have more detailed information. For example, the notion that Elvis copied his style from Captain Marvel seems fairly incredulous and has been mentioned only by one author. I'll try to update the section myself but would appreciate editorial help.
Surely the article should mention how Presley wrote to Nixon requesting a meeting, and then asked the President to ban the Beatles from the States. We should also mention how he wrote to J. Edgar Hoover requesting to join the FBI during its campaign against political dissent.
Ya, I heard about Elvis trying to ban The Beatles from America as well. -- GorillazFanAdam 03:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Elvis was garbage..It's a fact that The Beatles Was the BIGGEST act in the 20th century..Oh and btw..The Beatles were HUGE fans of Elvis :)
The Beatles were never as big as Elvis, they said so themselves.
No, I know what your talking about, John Lennon.....Not the BAND itself..But just John Lennon for his political activism. Like Paul Mccartney for example, still, and forever will..Respects him..Oh and btw..John Lennon gave props to Elvis by saying "before Elvis, there was nothing" He said that AFTER he was aware that elvis was trying to remove him.
Elvis himself said that he couldn't stand John Lennon but he liked the rest of the Beatles. George Harrison even attended Elvis' funeral.
Here is the first issue of the Hollywood Star Magazine (1979). The cover headline says, "Elvis was bisexual: Nick Adams was his lover." Onefortyone 20:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC) [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg -->|thumb|left| Hollywood Star Magazine, vol 1 no 1, 1979.]]
Yo, onefortyone, u r the biggest douche bag i've seeen in my life..Really, if you think the F****** TABLOIDS ARE RIGHT..well..wow..you are more dumb then I thought you little pussy ass bitch
Re: Claim by Onefortyone, the ArbCom-convicted liar:
FACT: You were convicted for lying by the Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee for fabricating information that you deliberately inserted into articles to perpetuate your agenda and to mislead readers and you continue to do so. And, I repeat that Alanna Nash made no such claim, ever. - Ted Wilkes 17:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Onefortyone, merely by mentioning this clearly unreliable source here you are clearly violating your probation under the clause here: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Onefortyone#Sources cited by Onefortyone. Please follow the terms of your probation. I have absolutely no more patience with you in this matter and I am not going to debate this with you, I am merely letting you know that if you continue this in any way, I will be forced to notify the ArbCom of your violation. Drop it now. -- DDG 20:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
For decades the FBI kept files on all the threats and crimes aimed against or relating to Elvis. In his book The FBI Files on Elvis Presley (2001), Thomas Fensch reproduces actual texts from numerous FBI reports dating from 1959 to 1981,which represent a "microcosm [of Presley's] behind-the-scenes life." In the extensive appendix, the author reprints 36 pages of original documents as full-page illustrations, showing exactly how the FBI handled these cases. So we have now some well documented sources. Interestingly, on p.30-33, there is an account of Elvis being the victim of Laurens Johannes Griessel-Landau of Johannesburg who represented himself to be a doctor specialist in the field of dermatology. When Presley was in the military service in Germany, he hired this man "proported to be a medical doctor and a skin specialist." Among the documents the author provides are copies of letters from Griessel-Landau to Elvis and one of his secretaries. There can be no doubt that Griessel-Landau made homosexual passes at the singer and his friends. According to the FBI files, Griessel-Landau had
This made Griessel-Landau angry and he decided to extort sums of money from the singer. Elvis "was interviewed on 28 December 1959 concerning his complaint that he was the victim of blackmail..." The case was referred to the FBI. According to the FBI files, Griessel-Landau "threatened to expose Presley by photographs and tape recordings which are alleged to present Presley in compromising situations." An investigation determined that Griessel Landau was not a medical doctor. Finally, "By negotiation, Presley agreed to pay Griessel-Landau $200.00 for treatments received and also to furnish him with a $315.00 plane fare to London, England." Onefortyone 03:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Here is another source which is fully in line with Byron Raphael, Priscilla Presley and Suzanne Finstad who also say that Elvis wasn't overtly sexual towards women. According to her memoir, Breathing Out (St. Martin's Press, 2005), model and actress Peggy Lipton, who played the hip chick of TV's undercover Mod Squad in the late 1960s and early '70s, had a fling with Elvis: "He was a great kisser," she says, "but that was about it." On p. 172 of her book, she relates that Elvis was like a "teenage boy":
Because he couldn't consummate sex, the eye-witness adds, Elvis
I would say that this account speaks for itself. Onefortyone 03:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/celebrities/celebrities11.html you think, perhaps she may have an agenda? And isn't this odd that is all coming out long after Presley has died? Lochdale
Elvis had no problem getting it up for Gladys and Nick Adams.
I think the article needs more coverage and most likely a picture of the fat, vegas elvis. savidan (talk) (e@) 02:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Elvis was heavy but (by todays standards) was never fat. Added in this edit by 66.168.115.168 ( contributions)
Is that a joke? Presley was nearly 300 lbs when he died. Added in this edit by 195.93.21.65 ( contributions, previous contribution)
I remember seeing a 1996 UK documentary entitled, "The Burger & the King", directed by James Marsh, that delved into Elvis' overeating and hypothesised that he had developed eating disorders as a result of his childhood poverty and hunger. I seem to remember that the documentary was based on a book of the same (or similar name). I remember the documentary included extensive interviews with people who had been closely involved with Elvis' overeating and preoccupation with food at various times of his life. In my view this very sad issue is important in reaching a rounded understanding of Elvis' life (particularly his later life). Would quotes from this documentary constitute evidence for the purposes of Wikipedia? If so, I might go to the trouble of getting a copy of the documentary and/or book and including quotes. -- -- Dorado 01:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
ELVIS WAS NOT 300 POUNDS! in 1970 he weighed about 170. in the late 70s (i'm talking '75-'77...there's pictures of elvis at the airport in '74 where he looks like it could have been from '69 or '70!!!), elvis was in the early 200s. 250 at TOPS--perhaps the absolute worst. if you look at elvis' figure, you will note that he is not fat (and the weight is not from food), but bloated. his arms and legs are quite skinny, and look out of proportion. elvis had a blocked small intestine which caused water retention. within days, elvis could go from a lean physique to a bloated one--fluctuating all the time in his last few years.
elvis' weight problems started LONG before the '70s. in the early-'60s, if you watch follow that dream or kid galahad ('62), you will notice that elvis is heavier there than he his during the first half of the '70s. in king creole ('58) you will notice he is quite a bit bigger than he was in jailhouse rock ('57). he had weight trouble his entire life, but the '70s had nothing to do with his eating habits, but his health and rapidly deteriorating body.
he also had a hereditary heart problem that also caused gladys' and several of his cousins' early deaths. gladys was 46, elvis was 42 and several of his cousins died even younger. vernon also had heart problems (5 heart attacks). elvis also had glaucoma from the dye in his eyebrows leaking into his eyes...he would have probably become blind from it. elvis was a bucket full of health issues, and more than just drugs or weight. the weak misshapen heart (the right half was hereditarily enlarged) was part of it.
This place is hilarious! Why isn't the article protected? Is there a possibility that something special might happen in his life which would need to be include in the article? I imagine that this page is an absolute magnet for looney tunes without Wikipedia accounts. I'm not sure, but I think there are still some parts which say that he is "supposedly" dead, but these might have already been fixed by the recent revert. In case I've been logged out again (damn cookies!) I'm User:Zyxoas. 216.239.58.136 00:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)