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I don't understand why "piano" was once again removed from EP's infobox. I thought this had been discussed a while back and settled. Such a minor and tiny thing. Ridiculous, and once again, especially given what instruments many other people are listed as having played. Gotta again wonder about the agenda. I don't get it. He played piano and played it often. This place is supposed to be informative, and someone who isn't a particular fan of EP and doesn't know a lot about him will sure as hell never know he played piano by coming in here! As is stated now in the infobox edit area, "secondary instruments", ie Elvis playing piano, should be brought up in "prose." WTH would that come in on Elvis' Wiki page here? Nowhere, that's where. It's just ridiculous, petty, stupid, and reeks of power tripping. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 08:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I assumed the debate here some months back about this with you, myself, Laser Brain, and Onefortyone had it settled that it was appropriate enough to include "piano." I guess there are a lot of other editors then besides you who care greatly about such a small point in this case. I'm trying like hell to understand the apparent massive damage to the integrity of this article by including "Piano" under a list of "Instruments" somebody played throughout their professional and private life, or what a massive "flouting" of the guidelines this would be. I'm just coming up empty. The infobox doesn't say "Primary Instruments Played," or "Instrument Artist Was Primarily Known For Playing." it simply says "Instruments." The editors concluding that it is "best" for Elvis' article to leave "piano" out of it - SMH. One would think I was calling for trumpet and tuba. The logic is mindboggling, and it just reminds me why I have so little interest left in adding anything to Wiki any longer. An act of Congress is easier. Peace. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 10:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I did mean to add more research on this, but that said, was also under the obviously mistaken assumption that upon Onefortyone adding the sources that he did and adding "piano", which I didn't expect at all, it appeared and still does now looking back that he and you were ok with keeping "piano" in, and Pstoller was just reluctantly going with it. I figured it was settled. I never realized I was required to do anything more at that point. I honestly haven't a clue as to how I would enter Elvis' piano playing into this article, just for the sake of conveying that he played piano on a number of his records, and live in concert: leastwise per these guidelines nothing that would last the night here. I understand what you mean as to what qualifies "piano" to be included in the infobox, per these guidelines. I simply don't understand why it must apply here in EP's piano case. It's one more instrument, and he actually played it. Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 13:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
He also played piano on "How's the World Treating You," "Old Shep," "Playing For Keeps," from Sept 1956, per Jorgensen's book of every EP recording session, which I've listed in the past, and which has everything MackyBeth has named as well. EP is listed as playing piano as well as guitar on the Sept '56 session instrumentation list. There are also several pictures of EP at the piano at various times during these sessions and others. He also played piano on "I'll Hold You in My Heart" and "After Loving You" from the '69 sessions, again per the Jorgensen book, and they also seem to think he played piano on "Trying to Get to You" at Sun, though it's way back in the mix. I still don't know how to go about getting this into the article under these guidelines. Under what context? Hey everybody, did you know Elvis played piano? Here are some examples!' I'm not particularly experienced at this Wiki article stuff to begin with. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 23:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate everything you've contributed here regarding this, MackyBeth. I'm familiar with much of it from those books etc. I completely concur about how Elvis seemed to really let loose on tracks where he played piano, and that his emotional intensity often came out in his piano playing. His style, as you touched on above, the way he pounded on the keys as he'd hit the crescendos on "You'll Never Walk Alone" and others, in that "staccato" style he had - as if he was lost in the music and the emotional moments, and his playing reflected it. Much like his guitar playing IMO, where he lacked great technical skill, he made up for with pure raw emotion and energy. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not that experienced at how to do this Wiki article stuff. I get what you're saying above, but I'm not sure how this works in regards to how I would go about starting a "piano" section or whatnot on the front page of EP's article. I've added things now and then into an already established section of an article etc, but I've never started a section myself. How does one go about that?
Also, just for a moment to comment on the "arranging" part of EP's saga, which Santamoly brought up above, I brought that up as well, back when I brought up the "piano" thing. Page 31 in the archive index. I submitted that EP "arranged" and "produced" some of his records, per some of the stuff I've read, as well as some of the tracks on his gospel albums stating "Arranged by Elvis Presley." As for arranging/producing, I've read from multiple sources, that Elvis always had the final say as to what would go into his records - instruments, background vocals, arrangements etc, and he also on multiple occasions went apeshit whenever he'd hear one of his records on the radio or wherever, after he'd finished the track and had approved of the final mix, which had then been altered afterwards per an RCA exec or whoever. Elvis knew exactly what he wanted when he was doing a song, and his was the final say. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 04:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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Add Category:American country singer-songwriters 75.130.122.118 ( talk) 03:27, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
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75.130.122.118 ( talk) 02:27, 7 March 2016 (UTC) Category:American country rock singers Category:American country singer-songwriters
Elvis was one of the most imitated rockabillies. "Country rock," no. Buddy Holly and Roy Orbison are from the same "generation" of performers as Elvis - rockabilly. Steve Pastor ( talk) 01:20, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
I just saw what was removed, and there is no doubt that this is accurate. Guralnick describes the same thing in mostly the same words on page 637 of his volume 2. Recently we have been discussing here how awkward it is that the 1977 TV special is not mentioned at all, and if anyone wants to add anything to 1977 then that concert special should be described before we should contemplate including any apparently incomprehensible phonecalls that had zero effect on anything. Just my opinion. MackyBeth
The 1974 album title is " Elvis Recorded Live on Stage in Memphis" not "Elvis: As Recorded Live on Stage in Memphis" as currently shown in the article. 71.197.166.72 ( talk) 23:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
In the 1970s, a large part of Presley's music was in the genre adult contemporary. He is even mentioned as an example on the page for this genre. So why can't adult contemporary be listed among his genres? Aikclaes ( talk) 13:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Most people, I would say a majority, mispronounce "Presley". The name should be pronounced ['prɛsli], but most people (including native-English speakers) mispronounce it ['prɛzli]. Many people turn to Wikipedia for info on the correct pronunciation of a person's name, so shouldn't the correct (and maybe also the incorrect) pronunciation of "Presley" be included somewhere in this article? Aikclaes ( talk) 04:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
I do not believe the following statement is accurate: "Even his fans were now ... blue-haired grandmothers." Elvis' fans in the 1970's were the older version of his original fans who were young women in the 1950s (not their mothers). - Mistercontributer ( talk) 00:08, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
It keeps being deleted, besides the profound influence the Assemblies of God church had on Elvis' early musical experience. And, Michael Jackson has information about his religious views in the infobox. So, I restore it once again, and please before removing, provide me some arguments why it can't be. Ernio48 ( talk) 05:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
As children our parents brings us in church and in all fairness I think so do is Elvis Presley mom and dad Jeremy122 ( talk) 04:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Presley "bombed" on the Grand Ole Opry, and received both a cold reception and negative feedback and as a result Presley swore never to return. However, this article glosses over this debacle. Therefore I recommend we clarify this issue within this article. Mistercontributer ( talk) 00:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I thought it informative and interesting to include a photo in this article about the location in Bad Nauheim, Germany where he was living while in the Army which arguably changed the direction of his career. Furthermore, the Germans chose to honor him by naming the area around his home after him. On the other hand, I don't have strong opinions about this.
Bryan MacKinnon ( talk) 12:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion and an RfC on Mel Brooks's article about his so-called "military career," noted by an infobox module. Since his military service, similar to that of Don Rickles, was for a few years and before their actual careers began, inserting a massive module in the standard infobox, as in this article, seems both misleading and erroneous. For Elvis, his "military career" module takes up about 20% of the infobox, while his notability is for being a singer and actor. And like the others, most of whom were drafted and were in for a few years, he never had a "military career."-- Light show ( talk) 01:54, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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First line: Aron not Aaron
2600:8803:AE06:C500:494F:A022:45A9:25D7 ( talk) 07:25, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
His middle name is spelt Aron... like you have at first. Then further down you have spelt it Aaron... that is wrong. BUBBLESxOo91 ( talk) 23:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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Related to above discussion, should this article include an infobox module about his "military career?"-- Light show ( talk) 01:44, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
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Elvis Presley takes Madonna’s world record for Most UK No.1 albums by a solo artist
gwr. please add that. thank you.
73.38.165.46 ( talk) 14:36, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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Elvis Persey is not dead. He is still alive. Change that
14.203.178.249 ( talk) 10:27, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
The claim in the lead that EP is the biggest selling solo artist of all time has a tag added to it. A FA-rated piece should have no such tags, least of all in the lead, so hopefully this issue is settled asap. The nature of the claim makes it an extraordinary strong claim, and I feel that it needs extraordinary strong back-up. So I think 4 sources is okay, as long as each and every one of them carries significant authority. And here we come to what I feel is the real issue: the claim "of all time" is only legit when supported by fairly recent sources, but two of those sources are from 2002, one is from 2001, and one is from 2008. One close competitor for this claim is obviously Michael Jackson, whose death in 2009 predictably increased sales of Jackson's music. Therefore, the sources need to be from 2010 and later, as earlier ones are now obsolete. MackyBeth ( talk) 19:46, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
"The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis" ...and that's what we're doing. They're only necessary if it's "controversial" or contested. I could say more, but then I'd just be repeating the different things that I've already said. But, the bottom line to me is: There does not need to be four cites in the lead. — Musdan77 ( talk) 04:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
As mentioned, the claim is linked to the "List of best-selling music artists" article. If we trust the sources used there, you can use them here. If we don't then just remove the claim. Simple as that. — Musdan77 ( talk) 18:45, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
In it generally well-known among Elvis fans that "The King" was born and raised in the Pentecostal church. While doing research on Elvis, I have found that his roots within the movement were "deep" (to say the least). Wikipedia even states here that Elvis' later controversies with Pentecostals did not lead to him leaving the church.
According to one website, it was stated that Elvis was baptized into the Assemblies of God some time around 1944 (around age 9) using the trinitarian formula — baptized by immersion in "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". Following his family's moving to Memphis, the Presleys began worshiping at a Church of Jesus Christ, pastored by Reverend Rex Dyson. Dyson, an adherent of Jesus' Name Pentecostalism, states this both of Elvis' parents, Vernon and Gladys, as well as Elvis himself, were all re-baptized using the oneness formula — by immersion in "the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins".
It is important to know that the Assemblies of God and the aforementioned Church of Jesus Christ are both Pentecostal churches, but the former movement adhere to the Trinitarian doctrine, while the latter practice the doctrine of Oneness.
MackyBeth and Musdan77, the excessive citation tag is still in the lead and the conversation got archived. I don't feel like those of us discussing really agreed on anything, but I'm really uncomfortable with maintenance tags being in a Featured article. Is there something we can do to move forward on the discussion? Musdan77 I think you were the one who placed the tag. Are you OK with removing it if I enact my idea of grouping the citations under one footnote? -- Laser brain (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Should drop all sources from the lead...no need for detail stats in the lead to begin with....all should be said in the article with its sources.-- Moxy ( talk) 17:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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May I please start making changes because I notice some problems that I would love to fix? BuckMyer ( talk) 11:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
please rectify. elvis is the highest selling solo artist in hx per many sources like gwr and sony . 73.38.165.46 ( talk) 12:50, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
please rectify. http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-solo-artist
As of 2017, based on both sales claims and certified units, The Beatles are considered the highest-selling band. Elvis Presley is considered the highest-selling individual artist based on sales claims /info/en/?search=List_of_best-selling_music_artists
thank you. 73.38.165.46 ( talk) 13:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
The Forward, the oldest American Jewish newspaper, has had several articles about Elvis Presley's Jewish roots. This is one of the more definitive, by one of their senior writers:
The story includes a photo of his mother's original tombstone -- with a Jewish star. The significance is that, under Jewish law, that would make Elvis Jewish. Some people would call him half-Jewish. They also give the story of how the Memphis Hebrew Academy asked Elvis for $1,000. He gave them $150,000. Disc jockey George Klein, whow knew all the Memphis musicians, said that Elvis was openly Jewish, and hung around with many Jewish musicians and friends. Colonel Tom Parker decided to de-emphasize Elvis' Jewish origins, not because he had anything against Jews, but because he thought it would be bad for business. So there are indisputably many WP:RSs which conclude that Elvis was at least Jewish on his mother's side, and at least had Jewish roots. -- Nbauman ( talk) 01:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
According to Elvis step mother, he had a long love affair with Nick Adams. Why does the article not saying anything about this? 95.199.0.85 ( talk) 10:35, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Elvis' actual middle name is Aaron, you put Aron in the box, but you put Aaron outside of the box. February 22, 2017 8:50 AM (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by M briglia05 ( talk • contribs)
The lead says he abused drugs for several years...implying 3-4 years...there is no clear cut definition of several but it implies his addiction wasn`t a life time thing which it was...the word several should be dropped...perhaps replaced with many. 107.217.84.95 ( talk) 17:07, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
I am Elvis Presley himself and i hereby give myself edit authority over this article. So please give me edit access as i would like to fix the Death section as it says HELLO and hi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.108.123.99 ( talk) 14:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello thoughts on adding this link:
FBI Records: The Vault - Elvis Presley at fbi.gov
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Someone needs to fix it. I can't figure out how!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deb nado ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
"Whether or not combined drug intoxication was in fact the cause, there is little doubt that polypharmacy contributed significantly to Presley's premature death." should taken off as it is based on nothing but speculation. It is particularly shocking after Dr. Joseph Davis' statement who confirms Elvis died of a natural cause. This phrase is now mistakenly often added as part of Dr Davis' statement which it is not. As already said, everything in the autopsy points out to a sudden death caused by a massive heart attack. Countless members of Elvis' family, especially on his Mother's side, died at a young age due to heart related illness. They died at the same age Elvis did or even younger and most of them never took any medication. To assert that "there is little doubt that polypharmacy contributed significantly to Presley's premature death" is pure conjecture.
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Change middle name from Aaron to Aron. 68.195.23.245 ( talk) 17:15, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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Elvis is mainly known as a singer, did he often play guitar ? yes, was it his "primary" instrument ? no. Did Elvis play piano ? of course, was it his "primary" instrument ? no, in fact you'd be hard pressed to find him playing piano on stage. Elvis' "main" instrument was his voice, nobody is saying he didn't play other instruments, but according to the
Infobox guidelines "secondary" instruments of an artist are addressed in the article body, not the infobox.
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Elvis could barely play guitar anyway, regardless of how often he held it - shouldn't be listed as one of his main instruments IMO.
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Zabboo, Kellymoat, FlightTime, it appears the consensus here is pretty solidly against including these instruments in the infobox. I am removing them accordingly. Cjhard ( talk) 06:02, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
I corrected an error and added some further details. Why were these edits reverted? First, Elvis was a singer, not a singer-songwriter. See [1]. Second, he still slept in his mother's bed when he was a teen. This is of some importance, as it shows how unusually close he was to his mother. See also Elaine Dundy, Elvis and Gladys. Third, it should be mentioned that he died when using the toilet, as it is common knowledge that "the King died on the throne". For the latter detail I have cited a recent Oxford University Press publication (Joel Williamson, Elvis Presley: A Southern Life). ADogCalledElvis ( talk) 04:38, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Based on this article, Elvis most likely suffered from traumatic brain injuries due to drug overdoses, and also due to falling down and hitting his head, which would partially explain his decline and changes in personality. I recommend that we add references to this article regarding this issue, so the reader may have a better understanding of what was happening to Elvis in his final years. Mistercontributer ( talk) 14:09, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
please rectify. sony and the gwr both state this. the way riaa counts sales undercuts e.p. total sales.
HE IS ALSO THE BIGGEST SELLING SOLO ARTIST OF ALL TIME. SONY 2017
that is from an offcial sony website. this trumps wiki editors opinions 104.226.209.42 ( talk) 15:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC) (that have no factual basis)
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As per /info/en/?search=Colonel_Tom_Parker#Managing_Elvis and other sources*, Tom Parker aka Andreas van Kuijk (by the way, it might be useful to remind the reader of his real identity from time to time in the text) signed Elvis Presley on March 26, 1956, not March 2. This might be just a typing error.
Thus the sentence "Neal's contract was terminated and, on March 2, Parker became Presley's manager."
should be replaced by "Neal's contract was terminated and, on March 26, Parker became Presley's manager."
"***March 26***, 1956, Elvis Presley Signed Contract Solidifying Colonel Parker as His Exclusive Management - One of the Most Famous Contracts in All of Popular Culture, Estimate $30,000-$35,000".
Marjoram Curry ( talk) 10:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
In my recent edit, I was fixing the parameter by adding flatlist and removing caps, not adding content. I did wonder about "piano" and searched the talk pages, and found the section Elvis and Piano - again, which seemed to conclude that piano was OK to stay. I didn't see Infobox instrument, again, and never thought that "guitar" shouldn't go in the infobox. Template:Infobox musical artist#instrument does not use the term "primary instrument" (or "secondary instruments"). It says: "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using." In the early years, he was definitely known for playing guitar, as shown in the article body. Emphasis should be put on "known for using" – and of course, it needs to be backed up by RS in the main body, as the infobox is supposed to be a summary of the article. It's not just some insignificant instrument, like something that he (or any artist) would just play a few times in his career. -- Musdan77 ( talk) 02:54, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I found an interesting article in the London Evening standard newspaper about the death of elvis Presley on august 16th this year the 40th anniversary, apparently a few years ago some new evidence came out about his death. I quote some of it . Despite contrary belief that Presley, passed of a heart attack brought on by a accidental overdose of prescription drugs , apparent declassified files under covered in 2013 that were made public in March 2014 reveal the death of the late singer was a homicide drug overdose most likely by FBI undercover agents the secret files had asserted ELVIS PRESLEY was rubbed out by the FBI to prevent him from testifying in a big Mob trial, in the 1980's allegations came out Elvis had been part of one of the largest FBI investigations of the 1970s, code-named Fountain Pen “Apparently, he had been the innocent victim in a Mafia fraud case involving millions of dollars.*“Scores of federal agents worldwide had investigated it and Elvis was due to give evidence. Is okay to mention this in the questions over cause of death section. ( Amy foster ( talk) 00:00, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
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Elvis played Guitar and Piano according to live performances and records Supreme0123 ( talk) 06:03, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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"Presley" is misspelled in "Final year and death" section towards the end Ha729 ( talk) 01:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
There should be a separate article like Death of Michael Jackson or Murder of John Lennon. The death section in this article is getting too long anyway, and there are more theories and details to cover. Ernio48 ( talk) 01:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
@ FlightTime: Can you explain the maintenance banners you placed on this article? Since this is a Featured article, it should be defeatured if the issues can't be fixed immediately. -- Spike Wilbury ( talk) 13:59, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Hey, Elvis has one a in his middle name. To remind him of his brother Jesse Garon Presley who died at childbirth. His grave is actually misspelt. Just a friendly heads up. Mjike2000 ( talk) 03:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Because: Disambiguates and links directly to the right USS Arizona instead of the ship index page, properly formats the ship name per MOS, and links to the memorial Presley was raising funds for. Using the 'attack on Pearl Harbor' link corrects an existing WP:EASTEREGG problem. Grammatically a comma is needed between the two clauses. 82.39.49.182 ( talk) 00:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC) 82.39.49.182 ( talk) 00:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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Is it worth mentioning that Elvis was a fan of martial arts since he made a film based on his interest called The New Gladiators (film). Dwanyewest ( talk) 06:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
The earliest mentioning of karate in Guralnick is December 1959. On page 47 of Volume II, he writes: "In early December Elvis began formal karate lessons as well after witnessing a demonstration by Jurgen Seydel, 'the father of German karate,' whom he sought out at his studio in Bad Homburg." MackyBeth ( talk) 21:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't know if this will do, but this Billboard item is an example of Elvis being referred to as merely "the King": [2] MackyBeth ( talk) 21:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
For years, the great team that brought this article to FA status—PL290, DocKino, and Rikstar—fought off an especially pernicious, and bizarrely toilet-obsessed troll, who then went by the username of Onefortyone. Having returned to Wikipedia after a break of several years, I was dismayed to discover that this exemplary article has once again been subjected to assault by the same troll—the damaging edits made by both Amy foster and ADogCalledElvis bear the unmistakable stamp of Onefortyone.
Please be aware, Amy/Dog/141 is no dummy. They know how to conceal their malicious edits in various ways—such as by making a series of "awkward" edits that conceal a blatant falsification of a verifiable quote. Consider, for example, the following series from "Amy foster": https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&type=revision&diff=810357765&oldid=810357686 (so "awkward"!, all the formatting went kablooey!), https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&diff=next&oldid=810357765 (golly, that formatting still makes it unreadable!), https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&diff=next&oldid=810358199 (oh, sweet relief—those double square brackets is all it took!). Now here are those three edits collapsed into one revision history: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&type=revision&diff=810358892&oldid=810357686. And now it's much easier to see how "Amy Foster" blatantly falsified a longstanding quotation in the article—the 1994 coroner's assessment of the cause of Presley's death—one you can easily check in the online source ( https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2002/aug/11/features.magazine27).
Amy/Dog/141 is also a master of the maliciously deceptive edit summary. Check this beauty out from "ADogCalledElvis": https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&type=revision&diff=791732624&oldid=791731997. "Elvis was not a songwriter" indeed. Props to Dr.K. for catching the Dog in the act: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&diff=next&oldid=791732624. The Dog did work their, uh, crap in again later undetected...until now. I got rid of it, and it ain't comin' back.
The best advice for how to deal with Amy/Dog/141 going forward is to (a) revert all their edits on sight, (b) don't engage with them directly (they're an experienced troll—they will have you pulling your hair out by the roots if you wade into debate with them), and (c) keep speaking to each other about what's best for the article while ignoring their attempts to undermine the process. I know we all want to assume the best of our collaborators and find a way to work together, but just think about the two examples I gave you above. On the basis of those two alone—and I know of literally dozens more from 141's history—that blatant falsification of a quote and that egregiously deceptive edit summary, you should feel confident in judging that Amy/Dog/141, however sincere they may choose to sound at times, is never, ever to be trusted. — DCGeist ( talk) 00:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
On February 26, 2016, six years after Elvis Presley achieved Featured Article status, Ibadibam made the good-faith addition of a new subsection, "Lifestyle." So far as I can see, this was preceded by no discussion—either explicit or implicit. Is everyone concerned with this article happy that this is a worthy addition? I feel it's verging on trivial territory. And the first of its two small paragraphs adduces no source for the significance of the Cadillacs, let alone the (yes, entirely conventional) claim about "luxury and excess."
Basically, this is not a subsection worthy of a Featured Article. We have two choices: (1) improve it or (2) cut it. If you favor (1), please explain how you would improve it, and offer a source or two to get us going. My vote at present is (2), cut it. — DCGeist ( talk) 02:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't have strong opinion whether 1 billion or 600 million is more appropriate, but the current is not really up to Wikipedia standards in any case. Elvis is subject to a lot of publications including scholarly ones and well researched journalistic pieces and books, so there should be much better and more authoritative sources for record sales than the ones currently used.-- Kmhkmh ( talk) 01:50, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
I have reverted an edit [3] because there was no reliable source provided. If USA Today printed this interview, which I believe they did, there should be a link or some other type of evidence. I looked for additional sources, and I have found none that would meet WP:RS. Even if reliable source has been discovered, I wouldn't support inclusion of this quotefarming. It would be better to say, "In 2002, Fats Domino said he was glad to have a photograph with Elvis Presley. Domino added that he liked Presley's singing and that he could sing anything." If reliable source has been discovered. Excelse ( talk) 08:01, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
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I don't understand why "piano" was once again removed from EP's infobox. I thought this had been discussed a while back and settled. Such a minor and tiny thing. Ridiculous, and once again, especially given what instruments many other people are listed as having played. Gotta again wonder about the agenda. I don't get it. He played piano and played it often. This place is supposed to be informative, and someone who isn't a particular fan of EP and doesn't know a lot about him will sure as hell never know he played piano by coming in here! As is stated now in the infobox edit area, "secondary instruments", ie Elvis playing piano, should be brought up in "prose." WTH would that come in on Elvis' Wiki page here? Nowhere, that's where. It's just ridiculous, petty, stupid, and reeks of power tripping. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 08:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I assumed the debate here some months back about this with you, myself, Laser Brain, and Onefortyone had it settled that it was appropriate enough to include "piano." I guess there are a lot of other editors then besides you who care greatly about such a small point in this case. I'm trying like hell to understand the apparent massive damage to the integrity of this article by including "Piano" under a list of "Instruments" somebody played throughout their professional and private life, or what a massive "flouting" of the guidelines this would be. I'm just coming up empty. The infobox doesn't say "Primary Instruments Played," or "Instrument Artist Was Primarily Known For Playing." it simply says "Instruments." The editors concluding that it is "best" for Elvis' article to leave "piano" out of it - SMH. One would think I was calling for trumpet and tuba. The logic is mindboggling, and it just reminds me why I have so little interest left in adding anything to Wiki any longer. An act of Congress is easier. Peace. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 10:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I did mean to add more research on this, but that said, was also under the obviously mistaken assumption that upon Onefortyone adding the sources that he did and adding "piano", which I didn't expect at all, it appeared and still does now looking back that he and you were ok with keeping "piano" in, and Pstoller was just reluctantly going with it. I figured it was settled. I never realized I was required to do anything more at that point. I honestly haven't a clue as to how I would enter Elvis' piano playing into this article, just for the sake of conveying that he played piano on a number of his records, and live in concert: leastwise per these guidelines nothing that would last the night here. I understand what you mean as to what qualifies "piano" to be included in the infobox, per these guidelines. I simply don't understand why it must apply here in EP's piano case. It's one more instrument, and he actually played it. Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 13:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
He also played piano on "How's the World Treating You," "Old Shep," "Playing For Keeps," from Sept 1956, per Jorgensen's book of every EP recording session, which I've listed in the past, and which has everything MackyBeth has named as well. EP is listed as playing piano as well as guitar on the Sept '56 session instrumentation list. There are also several pictures of EP at the piano at various times during these sessions and others. He also played piano on "I'll Hold You in My Heart" and "After Loving You" from the '69 sessions, again per the Jorgensen book, and they also seem to think he played piano on "Trying to Get to You" at Sun, though it's way back in the mix. I still don't know how to go about getting this into the article under these guidelines. Under what context? Hey everybody, did you know Elvis played piano? Here are some examples!' I'm not particularly experienced at this Wiki article stuff to begin with. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 23:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate everything you've contributed here regarding this, MackyBeth. I'm familiar with much of it from those books etc. I completely concur about how Elvis seemed to really let loose on tracks where he played piano, and that his emotional intensity often came out in his piano playing. His style, as you touched on above, the way he pounded on the keys as he'd hit the crescendos on "You'll Never Walk Alone" and others, in that "staccato" style he had - as if he was lost in the music and the emotional moments, and his playing reflected it. Much like his guitar playing IMO, where he lacked great technical skill, he made up for with pure raw emotion and energy. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not that experienced at how to do this Wiki article stuff. I get what you're saying above, but I'm not sure how this works in regards to how I would go about starting a "piano" section or whatnot on the front page of EP's article. I've added things now and then into an already established section of an article etc, but I've never started a section myself. How does one go about that?
Also, just for a moment to comment on the "arranging" part of EP's saga, which Santamoly brought up above, I brought that up as well, back when I brought up the "piano" thing. Page 31 in the archive index. I submitted that EP "arranged" and "produced" some of his records, per some of the stuff I've read, as well as some of the tracks on his gospel albums stating "Arranged by Elvis Presley." As for arranging/producing, I've read from multiple sources, that Elvis always had the final say as to what would go into his records - instruments, background vocals, arrangements etc, and he also on multiple occasions went apeshit whenever he'd hear one of his records on the radio or wherever, after he'd finished the track and had approved of the final mix, which had then been altered afterwards per an RCA exec or whoever. Elvis knew exactly what he wanted when he was doing a song, and his was the final say. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 04:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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Elvis was one of the most imitated rockabillies. "Country rock," no. Buddy Holly and Roy Orbison are from the same "generation" of performers as Elvis - rockabilly. Steve Pastor ( talk) 01:20, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
I just saw what was removed, and there is no doubt that this is accurate. Guralnick describes the same thing in mostly the same words on page 637 of his volume 2. Recently we have been discussing here how awkward it is that the 1977 TV special is not mentioned at all, and if anyone wants to add anything to 1977 then that concert special should be described before we should contemplate including any apparently incomprehensible phonecalls that had zero effect on anything. Just my opinion. MackyBeth
The 1974 album title is " Elvis Recorded Live on Stage in Memphis" not "Elvis: As Recorded Live on Stage in Memphis" as currently shown in the article. 71.197.166.72 ( talk) 23:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
In the 1970s, a large part of Presley's music was in the genre adult contemporary. He is even mentioned as an example on the page for this genre. So why can't adult contemporary be listed among his genres? Aikclaes ( talk) 13:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Most people, I would say a majority, mispronounce "Presley". The name should be pronounced ['prɛsli], but most people (including native-English speakers) mispronounce it ['prɛzli]. Many people turn to Wikipedia for info on the correct pronunciation of a person's name, so shouldn't the correct (and maybe also the incorrect) pronunciation of "Presley" be included somewhere in this article? Aikclaes ( talk) 04:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
I do not believe the following statement is accurate: "Even his fans were now ... blue-haired grandmothers." Elvis' fans in the 1970's were the older version of his original fans who were young women in the 1950s (not their mothers). - Mistercontributer ( talk) 00:08, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
It keeps being deleted, besides the profound influence the Assemblies of God church had on Elvis' early musical experience. And, Michael Jackson has information about his religious views in the infobox. So, I restore it once again, and please before removing, provide me some arguments why it can't be. Ernio48 ( talk) 05:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
As children our parents brings us in church and in all fairness I think so do is Elvis Presley mom and dad Jeremy122 ( talk) 04:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Presley "bombed" on the Grand Ole Opry, and received both a cold reception and negative feedback and as a result Presley swore never to return. However, this article glosses over this debacle. Therefore I recommend we clarify this issue within this article. Mistercontributer ( talk) 00:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I thought it informative and interesting to include a photo in this article about the location in Bad Nauheim, Germany where he was living while in the Army which arguably changed the direction of his career. Furthermore, the Germans chose to honor him by naming the area around his home after him. On the other hand, I don't have strong opinions about this.
Bryan MacKinnon ( talk) 12:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion and an RfC on Mel Brooks's article about his so-called "military career," noted by an infobox module. Since his military service, similar to that of Don Rickles, was for a few years and before their actual careers began, inserting a massive module in the standard infobox, as in this article, seems both misleading and erroneous. For Elvis, his "military career" module takes up about 20% of the infobox, while his notability is for being a singer and actor. And like the others, most of whom were drafted and were in for a few years, he never had a "military career."-- Light show ( talk) 01:54, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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First line: Aron not Aaron
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His middle name is spelt Aron... like you have at first. Then further down you have spelt it Aaron... that is wrong. BUBBLESxOo91 ( talk) 23:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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Related to above discussion, should this article include an infobox module about his "military career?"-- Light show ( talk) 01:44, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
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Elvis Presley takes Madonna’s world record for Most UK No.1 albums by a solo artist
gwr. please add that. thank you.
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Elvis Persey is not dead. He is still alive. Change that
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The claim in the lead that EP is the biggest selling solo artist of all time has a tag added to it. A FA-rated piece should have no such tags, least of all in the lead, so hopefully this issue is settled asap. The nature of the claim makes it an extraordinary strong claim, and I feel that it needs extraordinary strong back-up. So I think 4 sources is okay, as long as each and every one of them carries significant authority. And here we come to what I feel is the real issue: the claim "of all time" is only legit when supported by fairly recent sources, but two of those sources are from 2002, one is from 2001, and one is from 2008. One close competitor for this claim is obviously Michael Jackson, whose death in 2009 predictably increased sales of Jackson's music. Therefore, the sources need to be from 2010 and later, as earlier ones are now obsolete. MackyBeth ( talk) 19:46, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
"The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis" ...and that's what we're doing. They're only necessary if it's "controversial" or contested. I could say more, but then I'd just be repeating the different things that I've already said. But, the bottom line to me is: There does not need to be four cites in the lead. — Musdan77 ( talk) 04:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
As mentioned, the claim is linked to the "List of best-selling music artists" article. If we trust the sources used there, you can use them here. If we don't then just remove the claim. Simple as that. — Musdan77 ( talk) 18:45, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
In it generally well-known among Elvis fans that "The King" was born and raised in the Pentecostal church. While doing research on Elvis, I have found that his roots within the movement were "deep" (to say the least). Wikipedia even states here that Elvis' later controversies with Pentecostals did not lead to him leaving the church.
According to one website, it was stated that Elvis was baptized into the Assemblies of God some time around 1944 (around age 9) using the trinitarian formula — baptized by immersion in "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". Following his family's moving to Memphis, the Presleys began worshiping at a Church of Jesus Christ, pastored by Reverend Rex Dyson. Dyson, an adherent of Jesus' Name Pentecostalism, states this both of Elvis' parents, Vernon and Gladys, as well as Elvis himself, were all re-baptized using the oneness formula — by immersion in "the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins".
It is important to know that the Assemblies of God and the aforementioned Church of Jesus Christ are both Pentecostal churches, but the former movement adhere to the Trinitarian doctrine, while the latter practice the doctrine of Oneness.
MackyBeth and Musdan77, the excessive citation tag is still in the lead and the conversation got archived. I don't feel like those of us discussing really agreed on anything, but I'm really uncomfortable with maintenance tags being in a Featured article. Is there something we can do to move forward on the discussion? Musdan77 I think you were the one who placed the tag. Are you OK with removing it if I enact my idea of grouping the citations under one footnote? -- Laser brain (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Should drop all sources from the lead...no need for detail stats in the lead to begin with....all should be said in the article with its sources.-- Moxy ( talk) 17:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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May I please start making changes because I notice some problems that I would love to fix? BuckMyer ( talk) 11:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
please rectify. elvis is the highest selling solo artist in hx per many sources like gwr and sony . 73.38.165.46 ( talk) 12:50, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
please rectify. http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-solo-artist
As of 2017, based on both sales claims and certified units, The Beatles are considered the highest-selling band. Elvis Presley is considered the highest-selling individual artist based on sales claims /info/en/?search=List_of_best-selling_music_artists
thank you. 73.38.165.46 ( talk) 13:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
The Forward, the oldest American Jewish newspaper, has had several articles about Elvis Presley's Jewish roots. This is one of the more definitive, by one of their senior writers:
The story includes a photo of his mother's original tombstone -- with a Jewish star. The significance is that, under Jewish law, that would make Elvis Jewish. Some people would call him half-Jewish. They also give the story of how the Memphis Hebrew Academy asked Elvis for $1,000. He gave them $150,000. Disc jockey George Klein, whow knew all the Memphis musicians, said that Elvis was openly Jewish, and hung around with many Jewish musicians and friends. Colonel Tom Parker decided to de-emphasize Elvis' Jewish origins, not because he had anything against Jews, but because he thought it would be bad for business. So there are indisputably many WP:RSs which conclude that Elvis was at least Jewish on his mother's side, and at least had Jewish roots. -- Nbauman ( talk) 01:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
According to Elvis step mother, he had a long love affair with Nick Adams. Why does the article not saying anything about this? 95.199.0.85 ( talk) 10:35, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Elvis' actual middle name is Aaron, you put Aron in the box, but you put Aaron outside of the box. February 22, 2017 8:50 AM (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by M briglia05 ( talk • contribs)
The lead says he abused drugs for several years...implying 3-4 years...there is no clear cut definition of several but it implies his addiction wasn`t a life time thing which it was...the word several should be dropped...perhaps replaced with many. 107.217.84.95 ( talk) 17:07, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
I am Elvis Presley himself and i hereby give myself edit authority over this article. So please give me edit access as i would like to fix the Death section as it says HELLO and hi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.108.123.99 ( talk) 14:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello thoughts on adding this link:
FBI Records: The Vault - Elvis Presley at fbi.gov
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Someone needs to fix it. I can't figure out how!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deb nado ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
"Whether or not combined drug intoxication was in fact the cause, there is little doubt that polypharmacy contributed significantly to Presley's premature death." should taken off as it is based on nothing but speculation. It is particularly shocking after Dr. Joseph Davis' statement who confirms Elvis died of a natural cause. This phrase is now mistakenly often added as part of Dr Davis' statement which it is not. As already said, everything in the autopsy points out to a sudden death caused by a massive heart attack. Countless members of Elvis' family, especially on his Mother's side, died at a young age due to heart related illness. They died at the same age Elvis did or even younger and most of them never took any medication. To assert that "there is little doubt that polypharmacy contributed significantly to Presley's premature death" is pure conjecture.
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Elvis is mainly known as a singer, did he often play guitar ? yes, was it his "primary" instrument ? no. Did Elvis play piano ? of course, was it his "primary" instrument ? no, in fact you'd be hard pressed to find him playing piano on stage. Elvis' "main" instrument was his voice, nobody is saying he didn't play other instruments, but according to the
Infobox guidelines "secondary" instruments of an artist are addressed in the article body, not the infobox.
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Elvis could barely play guitar anyway, regardless of how often he held it - shouldn't be listed as one of his main instruments IMO.
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Zabboo, Kellymoat, FlightTime, it appears the consensus here is pretty solidly against including these instruments in the infobox. I am removing them accordingly. Cjhard ( talk) 06:02, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
I corrected an error and added some further details. Why were these edits reverted? First, Elvis was a singer, not a singer-songwriter. See [1]. Second, he still slept in his mother's bed when he was a teen. This is of some importance, as it shows how unusually close he was to his mother. See also Elaine Dundy, Elvis and Gladys. Third, it should be mentioned that he died when using the toilet, as it is common knowledge that "the King died on the throne". For the latter detail I have cited a recent Oxford University Press publication (Joel Williamson, Elvis Presley: A Southern Life). ADogCalledElvis ( talk) 04:38, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Based on this article, Elvis most likely suffered from traumatic brain injuries due to drug overdoses, and also due to falling down and hitting his head, which would partially explain his decline and changes in personality. I recommend that we add references to this article regarding this issue, so the reader may have a better understanding of what was happening to Elvis in his final years. Mistercontributer ( talk) 14:09, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
please rectify. sony and the gwr both state this. the way riaa counts sales undercuts e.p. total sales.
HE IS ALSO THE BIGGEST SELLING SOLO ARTIST OF ALL TIME. SONY 2017
that is from an offcial sony website. this trumps wiki editors opinions 104.226.209.42 ( talk) 15:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC) (that have no factual basis)
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As per /info/en/?search=Colonel_Tom_Parker#Managing_Elvis and other sources*, Tom Parker aka Andreas van Kuijk (by the way, it might be useful to remind the reader of his real identity from time to time in the text) signed Elvis Presley on March 26, 1956, not March 2. This might be just a typing error.
Thus the sentence "Neal's contract was terminated and, on March 2, Parker became Presley's manager."
should be replaced by "Neal's contract was terminated and, on March 26, Parker became Presley's manager."
"***March 26***, 1956, Elvis Presley Signed Contract Solidifying Colonel Parker as His Exclusive Management - One of the Most Famous Contracts in All of Popular Culture, Estimate $30,000-$35,000".
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In my recent edit, I was fixing the parameter by adding flatlist and removing caps, not adding content. I did wonder about "piano" and searched the talk pages, and found the section Elvis and Piano - again, which seemed to conclude that piano was OK to stay. I didn't see Infobox instrument, again, and never thought that "guitar" shouldn't go in the infobox. Template:Infobox musical artist#instrument does not use the term "primary instrument" (or "secondary instruments"). It says: "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using." In the early years, he was definitely known for playing guitar, as shown in the article body. Emphasis should be put on "known for using" – and of course, it needs to be backed up by RS in the main body, as the infobox is supposed to be a summary of the article. It's not just some insignificant instrument, like something that he (or any artist) would just play a few times in his career. -- Musdan77 ( talk) 02:54, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I found an interesting article in the London Evening standard newspaper about the death of elvis Presley on august 16th this year the 40th anniversary, apparently a few years ago some new evidence came out about his death. I quote some of it . Despite contrary belief that Presley, passed of a heart attack brought on by a accidental overdose of prescription drugs , apparent declassified files under covered in 2013 that were made public in March 2014 reveal the death of the late singer was a homicide drug overdose most likely by FBI undercover agents the secret files had asserted ELVIS PRESLEY was rubbed out by the FBI to prevent him from testifying in a big Mob trial, in the 1980's allegations came out Elvis had been part of one of the largest FBI investigations of the 1970s, code-named Fountain Pen “Apparently, he had been the innocent victim in a Mafia fraud case involving millions of dollars.*“Scores of federal agents worldwide had investigated it and Elvis was due to give evidence. Is okay to mention this in the questions over cause of death section. ( Amy foster ( talk) 00:00, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
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Elvis played Guitar and Piano according to live performances and records Supreme0123 ( talk) 06:03, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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"Presley" is misspelled in "Final year and death" section towards the end Ha729 ( talk) 01:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
There should be a separate article like Death of Michael Jackson or Murder of John Lennon. The death section in this article is getting too long anyway, and there are more theories and details to cover. Ernio48 ( talk) 01:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
@ FlightTime: Can you explain the maintenance banners you placed on this article? Since this is a Featured article, it should be defeatured if the issues can't be fixed immediately. -- Spike Wilbury ( talk) 13:59, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Hey, Elvis has one a in his middle name. To remind him of his brother Jesse Garon Presley who died at childbirth. His grave is actually misspelt. Just a friendly heads up. Mjike2000 ( talk) 03:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Because: Disambiguates and links directly to the right USS Arizona instead of the ship index page, properly formats the ship name per MOS, and links to the memorial Presley was raising funds for. Using the 'attack on Pearl Harbor' link corrects an existing WP:EASTEREGG problem. Grammatically a comma is needed between the two clauses. 82.39.49.182 ( talk) 00:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC) 82.39.49.182 ( talk) 00:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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Is it worth mentioning that Elvis was a fan of martial arts since he made a film based on his interest called The New Gladiators (film). Dwanyewest ( talk) 06:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
The earliest mentioning of karate in Guralnick is December 1959. On page 47 of Volume II, he writes: "In early December Elvis began formal karate lessons as well after witnessing a demonstration by Jurgen Seydel, 'the father of German karate,' whom he sought out at his studio in Bad Homburg." MackyBeth ( talk) 21:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't know if this will do, but this Billboard item is an example of Elvis being referred to as merely "the King": [2] MackyBeth ( talk) 21:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
For years, the great team that brought this article to FA status—PL290, DocKino, and Rikstar—fought off an especially pernicious, and bizarrely toilet-obsessed troll, who then went by the username of Onefortyone. Having returned to Wikipedia after a break of several years, I was dismayed to discover that this exemplary article has once again been subjected to assault by the same troll—the damaging edits made by both Amy foster and ADogCalledElvis bear the unmistakable stamp of Onefortyone.
Please be aware, Amy/Dog/141 is no dummy. They know how to conceal their malicious edits in various ways—such as by making a series of "awkward" edits that conceal a blatant falsification of a verifiable quote. Consider, for example, the following series from "Amy foster": https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&type=revision&diff=810357765&oldid=810357686 (so "awkward"!, all the formatting went kablooey!), https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&diff=next&oldid=810357765 (golly, that formatting still makes it unreadable!), https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&diff=next&oldid=810358199 (oh, sweet relief—those double square brackets is all it took!). Now here are those three edits collapsed into one revision history: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&type=revision&diff=810358892&oldid=810357686. And now it's much easier to see how "Amy Foster" blatantly falsified a longstanding quotation in the article—the 1994 coroner's assessment of the cause of Presley's death—one you can easily check in the online source ( https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2002/aug/11/features.magazine27).
Amy/Dog/141 is also a master of the maliciously deceptive edit summary. Check this beauty out from "ADogCalledElvis": https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&type=revision&diff=791732624&oldid=791731997. "Elvis was not a songwriter" indeed. Props to Dr.K. for catching the Dog in the act: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Elvis_Presley&diff=next&oldid=791732624. The Dog did work their, uh, crap in again later undetected...until now. I got rid of it, and it ain't comin' back.
The best advice for how to deal with Amy/Dog/141 going forward is to (a) revert all their edits on sight, (b) don't engage with them directly (they're an experienced troll—they will have you pulling your hair out by the roots if you wade into debate with them), and (c) keep speaking to each other about what's best for the article while ignoring their attempts to undermine the process. I know we all want to assume the best of our collaborators and find a way to work together, but just think about the two examples I gave you above. On the basis of those two alone—and I know of literally dozens more from 141's history—that blatant falsification of a quote and that egregiously deceptive edit summary, you should feel confident in judging that Amy/Dog/141, however sincere they may choose to sound at times, is never, ever to be trusted. — DCGeist ( talk) 00:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
On February 26, 2016, six years after Elvis Presley achieved Featured Article status, Ibadibam made the good-faith addition of a new subsection, "Lifestyle." So far as I can see, this was preceded by no discussion—either explicit or implicit. Is everyone concerned with this article happy that this is a worthy addition? I feel it's verging on trivial territory. And the first of its two small paragraphs adduces no source for the significance of the Cadillacs, let alone the (yes, entirely conventional) claim about "luxury and excess."
Basically, this is not a subsection worthy of a Featured Article. We have two choices: (1) improve it or (2) cut it. If you favor (1), please explain how you would improve it, and offer a source or two to get us going. My vote at present is (2), cut it. — DCGeist ( talk) 02:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't have strong opinion whether 1 billion or 600 million is more appropriate, but the current is not really up to Wikipedia standards in any case. Elvis is subject to a lot of publications including scholarly ones and well researched journalistic pieces and books, so there should be much better and more authoritative sources for record sales than the ones currently used.-- Kmhkmh ( talk) 01:50, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
I have reverted an edit [3] because there was no reliable source provided. If USA Today printed this interview, which I believe they did, there should be a link or some other type of evidence. I looked for additional sources, and I have found none that would meet WP:RS. Even if reliable source has been discovered, I wouldn't support inclusion of this quotefarming. It would be better to say, "In 2002, Fats Domino said he was glad to have a photograph with Elvis Presley. Domino added that he liked Presley's singing and that he could sing anything." If reliable source has been discovered. Excelse ( talk) 08:01, 15 February 2018 (UTC)