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Elmo zumwalt was my great grandfather he was very brave. I miss him very very much my name is Allison Zumwalt and I am proud to be a ZUMWALT
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unsigned comment added by
198.209.24.254 (
talk) 15:35, 15 November 2005
Some mention might be included of Zumwalt's permission to later CNO Michael Boorda to wear a "V" device on a Vietnam service ribbon. Reportedly the ensuing controversy led to Boorda's suicide though Zumwalt was long retired and therefore did not have authority to authorize the device in any case.
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unsigned comment added by
68.2.139.236 (
talk) 00:16, 29 May 2006
He wanted to ease the stressful life aboard ships. Racial tensions were not a concern of his.
GhostofSuperslum
13:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
If memory serves, Zumwalt was an advocate in the 1970s of reducing the U.S. Navy's use of multirole aircraft carriers in favor of sea control ships. IIRC, the SCS would be tasked with the defensive role of protecting sea lanes from Soviet/hostile forces while the carriers themselves would serve an exclusively offensive role. Obviously, the U.S. Navy was not restructured along those lines, but it would be helpful to have some information on this subject added to the article. 209.195.164.34 18:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Not just the SCS, but an entire section should be devoted to Zumwalt's High-Low concept, which would have radically changed the fleet (for good or ill). Zumwalt's idea of a large purchase of smaller, cheaper ships to compliment expensive ships was revolutionary, and deeply and bitterly opposed by the Navy's establishment. They did everything they could to kill it, and largely won. We were supposed to get 8 Sea Control Ships (with VSTOL fighters) and got none. We were supposed to get hundred of Pegasus class hydrofoils, and got 6. We got none of the sea-skimming transports he envisioned. Of the new classes of inexpensive vessels to build fleet numbers that Zumwalt proposed, only the Perry Class Frigates were built in appreciable numbers. DesScorp ( talk) 21:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
In the family section it states that ADM Zumwalt's great grandson is a naval academy graduate and is in training to become an EOD expert. The great grandson I know training for EOD graduated from Tulane University and not USNA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.201.23.10 ( talk) 14:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
The article correctly states that Zumwalt was the youngest CNO. Some sources claim that he was the youngest ever promoted to rear admiral at 44 but in fact The youngest US rear admiral was Harold B. "Min" Miller, who became Nimitz's public relations officer. He was promoted in 1945 at the age of 42. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.223.6.208 ( talk) 16:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
This reads like a violation of NPOV. I suggest it be removed because it doesn't add anything to the article.
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72.205.202.200 (
talk)
03:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The following section structure
would normally indicate the need to split the article, but only reflects the number of 1- to 4-'graph sections. (One section is a single sentence!) For instance, "Medals and decorations" should consist of three bullet lists, not two more levels of sections. I'm tentatively collapsing 7-9 and 11-12 into one section, at least for the sake of chronology; seeing the narrative uninterrupted will facilitate sounder visualization of any (less vigorous) division needed within that section.
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Jerzy•
t
01:09, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I found
I'm splitting the Scout matters into a separate sentence, especially since his scouting is unlikely to have been the major factor determining where he went to high school.
As to Tulare and Rutherford, mentioning them in that order may reflect the common confusion between a biography and a resume, or just disregard for details of chronology; as valedictorians normally have that role in their senior classes, and only in remarkable circumstances need time in a prep school between graduation and college, i infer the prep school preceded the public sr high. But refs would of course be welcome.
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Jerzy•
t
02:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm unsuccessful in trying to consult the content implied by the confusing ref
A thesis at
http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-09262008-31295012833801/unrestricted/31295012833801.pdf looks promising, and i'll add page refs from it (starting abt p. 15) when i come back to provide refs in place of the one i'm removing.
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Jerzy•
t
02:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Could someone stop writing the prase "he/she not regret" in anything involve Vietnam? Admiral Elmo lost a son to Agent Orange, and found out that he's been fooled about the impact of the chemistry, result in many cases of cancer/health problem among the man under his control. And somehow he's "not regret" that's his order closed his own son's fate?
Stop making matyr out of people please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeraful ( talk • contribs) 06:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
In his book "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!"(Bantam Books, Ralph Leighton, 1986; p. 105-6, 107), Richard Feynman of Los Alamos indicates that his escort at Oak Ridge was a certain Lt. Zumwalt. Issues included criticality safety and plant design. It seems that this Mr. Zumwalt was quite impressed with Mr. Feinman as are we all. 166.129.168.16 ( talk) 18:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Saralee Zumwalt's son (Saralee was his sister), Richard Crowe, did a lot of research on the origins of his grandmother Frances Frank. Based upon his research, as well as DNA testing, it was established that Frances Frank was not adopted, but actually was the biological daughter of the Franks. It is documented in the new biography of Admiral Zumwalt, which is referenced in the article. I was shocked when I found this out, but evidently Frances Frank Zumwalt had been lying for years. Monsieurdl mon talk 02:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Under the section "Flag Assignments: Vietnam," the quote about being a lawyer sounds odd. Although it is written verbatim as it appears in the younger Zumwalt's obituary, it reads like the quote should say "I am not a lawyer and don't think I can prove it in court ." The obituary does not state Zumwalt was an attorney, or give any biographical information after his service in Vietnam. The original article in the New York Times mMagazine, from which the obituary takes the quote, was called "Agent Orange and the Anguish of an American family," August 24, 1986. I leave it to someone to find, if possible.
Purplethree (
talk) 16:07, :08, & :16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
In the Wiki article the sentence currently reads, "I am a lawyer and I don't think I can prove in court..." Which still seems an odd phrasing. But, whatever. Purplethree ( talk) 16:40, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
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Do we really need all the pictures in the dates of rank section? Mztourist ( talk) 07:55, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
The article says Elmo Sr was a doctor. Was he perchance the Lt Col Elmo R Zumwalt who was the first CO of the Army's 30th Field Hospital during WW II?
https://www.med-dept.com/unit-histories/30th-field-hospital-second-hospitalization-unit-platoon/ 104.153.40.58 ( talk) 00:49, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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Elmo zumwalt was my great grandfather he was very brave. I miss him very very much my name is Allison Zumwalt and I am proud to be a ZUMWALT
— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
198.209.24.254 (
talk) 15:35, 15 November 2005
Some mention might be included of Zumwalt's permission to later CNO Michael Boorda to wear a "V" device on a Vietnam service ribbon. Reportedly the ensuing controversy led to Boorda's suicide though Zumwalt was long retired and therefore did not have authority to authorize the device in any case.
— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
68.2.139.236 (
talk) 00:16, 29 May 2006
He wanted to ease the stressful life aboard ships. Racial tensions were not a concern of his.
GhostofSuperslum
13:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
If memory serves, Zumwalt was an advocate in the 1970s of reducing the U.S. Navy's use of multirole aircraft carriers in favor of sea control ships. IIRC, the SCS would be tasked with the defensive role of protecting sea lanes from Soviet/hostile forces while the carriers themselves would serve an exclusively offensive role. Obviously, the U.S. Navy was not restructured along those lines, but it would be helpful to have some information on this subject added to the article. 209.195.164.34 18:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Not just the SCS, but an entire section should be devoted to Zumwalt's High-Low concept, which would have radically changed the fleet (for good or ill). Zumwalt's idea of a large purchase of smaller, cheaper ships to compliment expensive ships was revolutionary, and deeply and bitterly opposed by the Navy's establishment. They did everything they could to kill it, and largely won. We were supposed to get 8 Sea Control Ships (with VSTOL fighters) and got none. We were supposed to get hundred of Pegasus class hydrofoils, and got 6. We got none of the sea-skimming transports he envisioned. Of the new classes of inexpensive vessels to build fleet numbers that Zumwalt proposed, only the Perry Class Frigates were built in appreciable numbers. DesScorp ( talk) 21:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
In the family section it states that ADM Zumwalt's great grandson is a naval academy graduate and is in training to become an EOD expert. The great grandson I know training for EOD graduated from Tulane University and not USNA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.201.23.10 ( talk) 14:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
The article correctly states that Zumwalt was the youngest CNO. Some sources claim that he was the youngest ever promoted to rear admiral at 44 but in fact The youngest US rear admiral was Harold B. "Min" Miller, who became Nimitz's public relations officer. He was promoted in 1945 at the age of 42. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.223.6.208 ( talk) 16:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
This reads like a violation of NPOV. I suggest it be removed because it doesn't add anything to the article.
--
72.205.202.200 (
talk)
03:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The following section structure
would normally indicate the need to split the article, but only reflects the number of 1- to 4-'graph sections. (One section is a single sentence!) For instance, "Medals and decorations" should consist of three bullet lists, not two more levels of sections. I'm tentatively collapsing 7-9 and 11-12 into one section, at least for the sake of chronology; seeing the narrative uninterrupted will facilitate sounder visualization of any (less vigorous) division needed within that section.
--
Jerzy•
t
01:09, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I found
I'm splitting the Scout matters into a separate sentence, especially since his scouting is unlikely to have been the major factor determining where he went to high school.
As to Tulare and Rutherford, mentioning them in that order may reflect the common confusion between a biography and a resume, or just disregard for details of chronology; as valedictorians normally have that role in their senior classes, and only in remarkable circumstances need time in a prep school between graduation and college, i infer the prep school preceded the public sr high. But refs would of course be welcome.
--
Jerzy•
t
02:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm unsuccessful in trying to consult the content implied by the confusing ref
A thesis at
http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-09262008-31295012833801/unrestricted/31295012833801.pdf looks promising, and i'll add page refs from it (starting abt p. 15) when i come back to provide refs in place of the one i'm removing.
--
Jerzy•
t
02:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Could someone stop writing the prase "he/she not regret" in anything involve Vietnam? Admiral Elmo lost a son to Agent Orange, and found out that he's been fooled about the impact of the chemistry, result in many cases of cancer/health problem among the man under his control. And somehow he's "not regret" that's his order closed his own son's fate?
Stop making matyr out of people please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeraful ( talk • contribs) 06:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
In his book "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!"(Bantam Books, Ralph Leighton, 1986; p. 105-6, 107), Richard Feynman of Los Alamos indicates that his escort at Oak Ridge was a certain Lt. Zumwalt. Issues included criticality safety and plant design. It seems that this Mr. Zumwalt was quite impressed with Mr. Feinman as are we all. 166.129.168.16 ( talk) 18:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Saralee Zumwalt's son (Saralee was his sister), Richard Crowe, did a lot of research on the origins of his grandmother Frances Frank. Based upon his research, as well as DNA testing, it was established that Frances Frank was not adopted, but actually was the biological daughter of the Franks. It is documented in the new biography of Admiral Zumwalt, which is referenced in the article. I was shocked when I found this out, but evidently Frances Frank Zumwalt had been lying for years. Monsieurdl mon talk 02:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Under the section "Flag Assignments: Vietnam," the quote about being a lawyer sounds odd. Although it is written verbatim as it appears in the younger Zumwalt's obituary, it reads like the quote should say "I am not a lawyer and don't think I can prove it in court ." The obituary does not state Zumwalt was an attorney, or give any biographical information after his service in Vietnam. The original article in the New York Times mMagazine, from which the obituary takes the quote, was called "Agent Orange and the Anguish of an American family," August 24, 1986. I leave it to someone to find, if possible.
Purplethree (
talk) 16:07, :08, & :16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
In the Wiki article the sentence currently reads, "I am a lawyer and I don't think I can prove in court..." Which still seems an odd phrasing. But, whatever. Purplethree ( talk) 16:40, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
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Do we really need all the pictures in the dates of rank section? Mztourist ( talk) 07:55, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
The article says Elmo Sr was a doctor. Was he perchance the Lt Col Elmo R Zumwalt who was the first CO of the Army's 30th Field Hospital during WW II?
https://www.med-dept.com/unit-histories/30th-field-hospital-second-hospitalization-unit-platoon/ 104.153.40.58 ( talk) 00:49, 13 June 2022 (UTC)