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Where did she get the surname "Wilkinson" from? john k 00:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't she rumoured to be Herbert Morrison's mistress? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.192.0.10 ( talk) 08:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
The book doesn't mention statements from her on disappointment in her emotional life; I've amended "Neither of Wilkinson's relationships led to marriage, leaving her disappointed in her emotional life" to "Neither of Wilkinson's relationships led to marriage" as there is no citation for the former. Kilburn London ( talk) 07:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
The article is currently the subject of an expansion into a full biography of Wilkinson, based on multiple sources. The first part of the expansion will apear fairly soon; thereafter, progress will be slower, as research continues. I hope to be through by the end of October. Brianboulton ( talk) 18:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
If her death was not officially ruled a suicide, and probably a majority of informed people do not think it was suicide, then why is the article classified into two suicide categories? -- AnonMoos ( talk) 21:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Just a very minor worry that the place of birth is listed as Chorlton-on-Medlock (where I am writing from) in the text but Ardwick in the little box with information in. My guess would be Chorlton-on-Medlock - but I don't know about old border changes. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 10:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC))
Hi Brian, rather than clutter up the FAC page with minor issues, I'll mention a few suggestions here.
Will continue reading later. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:12, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Missed this first time round: "his wife Ellen, née Wood"; I think this should be "his wife, Ellen, née Wood".
This is a very enjoyable read, Brian.
SlimVirgin (talk) 02:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I saw this was just promoted to FA status and noticed that the level 3 heading Postwar career is indented if the browser window is too wide. It's not a big deal, but I was wondering if there was any way to fix that. Adding a blank line in the wikicode doesn't help; it just makes things worse. And I don't think making the image smaller would help, either. Floating the image to the right does the trick, but that upsets the nice alternation between having images on the left and right that the article has right now. Any ideas? AmericanLemming ( talk) 16:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
There's now an article about the NJCSR. It seems too much to say that Wilkinson set it up. She belonged to the Parliamentary Committee for Spain; [2] and she visited with other MPs in early 1937 (when the NJCSR already existed). I don't know precisely when the Parliamentary Committee was itself set up. The officers of the NJCSR are known ( [3] and elsewhere); Wilkinson was on the Spanish Medical Aid Committee, [4] but I've not seen anything to connect her very directly with the NJCSR. Charles Matthews ( talk) 15:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Is the "Old Vic Theatre School" mentioned in the 'Illness and death' section the Bristol Old Vic Theatre School? It sounds like it, so might be worth linking. Also, there is an article for the by-election prompted by Wilkinson's death: Jarrow by-election, 1947. Might be worth linking that (in a footnote) and that Labour held the seat (the MP box down the bottom of the article links the by-election article, but gives no indication of the party of her successor)?
One slight mystery (possibly a slight inaccuracy): the article says "She succeeded to the chair when the incumbent, George Ridley, died in January 1945". The box down the bottom says she was Chair 1944–1945, and the George Ridley article says he died in January 1944. The article text should be corrected to 1944 (I'll do that now).
Another slight date concern: "Wilkinson campaigned for the equalisation of the voting franchise speaking at demonstrations in Hyde Park on 3 July 1926 and 30 June 1928". The 1926 date I can understand, but the vote for that bill took place in 29 March 1928 (as stated in the very next sentence). Are we sure the demonstration took place on 30 June 1928? Presumably was more celebrating the passing of the bill than campaigning for it at that point. Carcharoth ( talk) 02:15, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
During this article's recent appearance as TFA the infobox was greatly expanded. I am sure this was done with good intentions, but the result was an overblown box that went well beyond WP policy concerning the use of infoboxes, which are intended to assist readers by providing "a quick and convenient summary of the key facts about a subject" (per WP:INFOBOX). While perceptions of "key facts" may vary from subject to subject, in biographical articles they may reasonably be considered those which gives an "at-a-glance" summary of the subject's life and career, to be easily absorbed by the casual or impatient reader. Cramming the box with every available detail defeats this worthy object.
For a politician, the key details might be, apart from personal identification: details of governmental offices held, details of senior party offices (e.g. party chairman), details of elections to national legislative bodies. Sometimes there may be other important details that warrant inclusion as "key". What is clearly not "key" information is the mind-numbingly tedious "preceded by" and "succeeded by" fields entered for every office, major or minor. This information is largely irrelevant, useless and distracting – how important, for eaxmple, is it to know who preceded or succeeded Ms Wilkinson in the junior ministerial office of Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Pensions? It is unfortunate that the infobox template for political biographies has been interpreted over-literally by some editors, leading ultimately to the quite monstrous boxes such as that which adorns the Winston Churchill article.
I have not restored the Wilkinson box to its modest pre-TFA dimensions, but I have trimmed out some of the inessential detail. I've also separated the purely party office of Labour Party chair from the list of government offices. If editors wish to argue that key career details are missing from the box, please make the case here.
Finally, thanks are due to the many editors who watched the article during its TFA, fought the vandals, and in many cases made useful small improvements. Brianboulton ( talk) 00:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Maybe somebody could turn up a classic quote about her that I vaguely remember, how after a Spanish Civil War atrocity, she put a weaseling British official (the British ambassador to Spain?) in his place magnificently, similar to Queen Elizabeth I confronting the French ambassador after the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. Having difficulty finding it with Google... AnonMoos ( talk) 01:25, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
There was a reception at Madrid. Among others, a British consular officer was introduced to Ellen Wilkinson. She, rightly or wrongly, believed that he was very pro-Franco. She drew herself up to her full height (which was not great) and, looking at him with blazing eyes, repeated his name twice. She then made a very deep curtsy and turned away. It was most impressive, suggesting Queen Elizabeth receiving the French Ambassador after the massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve. [5] [6]
It could be more clearly explained that it was due to her left politics as well as her hair color. (Not sure what "uncompromising politics" really has to do with the color red...) AnonMoos ( talk) 01:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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Where did she get the surname "Wilkinson" from? john k 00:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't she rumoured to be Herbert Morrison's mistress? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.192.0.10 ( talk) 08:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
The book doesn't mention statements from her on disappointment in her emotional life; I've amended "Neither of Wilkinson's relationships led to marriage, leaving her disappointed in her emotional life" to "Neither of Wilkinson's relationships led to marriage" as there is no citation for the former. Kilburn London ( talk) 07:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
The article is currently the subject of an expansion into a full biography of Wilkinson, based on multiple sources. The first part of the expansion will apear fairly soon; thereafter, progress will be slower, as research continues. I hope to be through by the end of October. Brianboulton ( talk) 18:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
If her death was not officially ruled a suicide, and probably a majority of informed people do not think it was suicide, then why is the article classified into two suicide categories? -- AnonMoos ( talk) 21:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Just a very minor worry that the place of birth is listed as Chorlton-on-Medlock (where I am writing from) in the text but Ardwick in the little box with information in. My guess would be Chorlton-on-Medlock - but I don't know about old border changes. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 10:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC))
Hi Brian, rather than clutter up the FAC page with minor issues, I'll mention a few suggestions here.
Will continue reading later. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:12, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Missed this first time round: "his wife Ellen, née Wood"; I think this should be "his wife, Ellen, née Wood".
This is a very enjoyable read, Brian.
SlimVirgin (talk) 02:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I saw this was just promoted to FA status and noticed that the level 3 heading Postwar career is indented if the browser window is too wide. It's not a big deal, but I was wondering if there was any way to fix that. Adding a blank line in the wikicode doesn't help; it just makes things worse. And I don't think making the image smaller would help, either. Floating the image to the right does the trick, but that upsets the nice alternation between having images on the left and right that the article has right now. Any ideas? AmericanLemming ( talk) 16:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
There's now an article about the NJCSR. It seems too much to say that Wilkinson set it up. She belonged to the Parliamentary Committee for Spain; [2] and she visited with other MPs in early 1937 (when the NJCSR already existed). I don't know precisely when the Parliamentary Committee was itself set up. The officers of the NJCSR are known ( [3] and elsewhere); Wilkinson was on the Spanish Medical Aid Committee, [4] but I've not seen anything to connect her very directly with the NJCSR. Charles Matthews ( talk) 15:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
Is the "Old Vic Theatre School" mentioned in the 'Illness and death' section the Bristol Old Vic Theatre School? It sounds like it, so might be worth linking. Also, there is an article for the by-election prompted by Wilkinson's death: Jarrow by-election, 1947. Might be worth linking that (in a footnote) and that Labour held the seat (the MP box down the bottom of the article links the by-election article, but gives no indication of the party of her successor)?
One slight mystery (possibly a slight inaccuracy): the article says "She succeeded to the chair when the incumbent, George Ridley, died in January 1945". The box down the bottom says she was Chair 1944–1945, and the George Ridley article says he died in January 1944. The article text should be corrected to 1944 (I'll do that now).
Another slight date concern: "Wilkinson campaigned for the equalisation of the voting franchise speaking at demonstrations in Hyde Park on 3 July 1926 and 30 June 1928". The 1926 date I can understand, but the vote for that bill took place in 29 March 1928 (as stated in the very next sentence). Are we sure the demonstration took place on 30 June 1928? Presumably was more celebrating the passing of the bill than campaigning for it at that point. Carcharoth ( talk) 02:15, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
During this article's recent appearance as TFA the infobox was greatly expanded. I am sure this was done with good intentions, but the result was an overblown box that went well beyond WP policy concerning the use of infoboxes, which are intended to assist readers by providing "a quick and convenient summary of the key facts about a subject" (per WP:INFOBOX). While perceptions of "key facts" may vary from subject to subject, in biographical articles they may reasonably be considered those which gives an "at-a-glance" summary of the subject's life and career, to be easily absorbed by the casual or impatient reader. Cramming the box with every available detail defeats this worthy object.
For a politician, the key details might be, apart from personal identification: details of governmental offices held, details of senior party offices (e.g. party chairman), details of elections to national legislative bodies. Sometimes there may be other important details that warrant inclusion as "key". What is clearly not "key" information is the mind-numbingly tedious "preceded by" and "succeeded by" fields entered for every office, major or minor. This information is largely irrelevant, useless and distracting – how important, for eaxmple, is it to know who preceded or succeeded Ms Wilkinson in the junior ministerial office of Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Pensions? It is unfortunate that the infobox template for political biographies has been interpreted over-literally by some editors, leading ultimately to the quite monstrous boxes such as that which adorns the Winston Churchill article.
I have not restored the Wilkinson box to its modest pre-TFA dimensions, but I have trimmed out some of the inessential detail. I've also separated the purely party office of Labour Party chair from the list of government offices. If editors wish to argue that key career details are missing from the box, please make the case here.
Finally, thanks are due to the many editors who watched the article during its TFA, fought the vandals, and in many cases made useful small improvements. Brianboulton ( talk) 00:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Maybe somebody could turn up a classic quote about her that I vaguely remember, how after a Spanish Civil War atrocity, she put a weaseling British official (the British ambassador to Spain?) in his place magnificently, similar to Queen Elizabeth I confronting the French ambassador after the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. Having difficulty finding it with Google... AnonMoos ( talk) 01:25, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
There was a reception at Madrid. Among others, a British consular officer was introduced to Ellen Wilkinson. She, rightly or wrongly, believed that he was very pro-Franco. She drew herself up to her full height (which was not great) and, looking at him with blazing eyes, repeated his name twice. She then made a very deep curtsy and turned away. It was most impressive, suggesting Queen Elizabeth receiving the French Ambassador after the massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve. [5] [6]
It could be more clearly explained that it was due to her left politics as well as her hair color. (Not sure what "uncompromising politics" really has to do with the color red...) AnonMoos ( talk) 01:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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