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Removed the following material on this claim:
Reason: Not only does the cited source, [1], not mention this claim, the "Elkanah" article in the Jewish Encyclopedia states the exact opposite as "fact":
-- Shirahadasha 11:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Please read the whole of the Books of Samuel article (at Jewish Encyclopedia), not just the top bit (it does continue beyond the first bibliography list). You will clearly see that the passage in question (in which Saul is pointed to as being a Benjaminite) is attributed to the republican source (be wary that there are lots of abbreviations, and so forth, so the what belongs to which source bit can be difficult to follow if you dont pay attention).
In addition, the article you point out - the Elkanah article - and your quote of it, states that
I fail to see how this contradicts the statements in question. For Ephraim's royal significance/prominence/etc. see Richard Elliott Friedman's Who wrote the Bible. --User talk:FDuffy 22:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I prefer to put Bigamy than Polygamy, since it specifically refers to the custom of having two wives, not the custom of having more than one wife. There are several occasions in the Bible of two-wife-ness, but the custom of more-than-one-wife, by which is meant 3 or more, is not found until Solomon and David. A technical solution to any sense of inappropriateness for the term Bigamy due to allegedly criminal connotations would be to put bigyny (literally two-women, and paralleling polygyny for multiple women), though this would just confuse people completely. --User talk:FDuffy 22:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I changed it to polygamist, since most dictionaries seem to define bigamy foremost as a crime, which it was not in the Biblical context. The etymology of "bi-gamy" may be dual marriage, but its definition is now "illegally marrying more than one person." Likewise, "polygamy" now means the practice of having more than one spouse. I see no reason not to use the correct term "polygamist" since it's clear from the article's context that he has only two wives. Yawar.fiesta ( talk) 18:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 16:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
– Clear primary topic, the only Elkanah with an actual article. PatGallacher ( talk) 20:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Depending on which version of the Bible you pick up, this guy could belong to either group.
Jehovah Rapa 2600:1009:B000:7B9:A1AB:BFC5:AB6B:44B3 ( talk) 03:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Removed the following material on this claim:
Reason: Not only does the cited source, [1], not mention this claim, the "Elkanah" article in the Jewish Encyclopedia states the exact opposite as "fact":
-- Shirahadasha 11:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Please read the whole of the Books of Samuel article (at Jewish Encyclopedia), not just the top bit (it does continue beyond the first bibliography list). You will clearly see that the passage in question (in which Saul is pointed to as being a Benjaminite) is attributed to the republican source (be wary that there are lots of abbreviations, and so forth, so the what belongs to which source bit can be difficult to follow if you dont pay attention).
In addition, the article you point out - the Elkanah article - and your quote of it, states that
I fail to see how this contradicts the statements in question. For Ephraim's royal significance/prominence/etc. see Richard Elliott Friedman's Who wrote the Bible. --User talk:FDuffy 22:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I prefer to put Bigamy than Polygamy, since it specifically refers to the custom of having two wives, not the custom of having more than one wife. There are several occasions in the Bible of two-wife-ness, but the custom of more-than-one-wife, by which is meant 3 or more, is not found until Solomon and David. A technical solution to any sense of inappropriateness for the term Bigamy due to allegedly criminal connotations would be to put bigyny (literally two-women, and paralleling polygyny for multiple women), though this would just confuse people completely. --User talk:FDuffy 22:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I changed it to polygamist, since most dictionaries seem to define bigamy foremost as a crime, which it was not in the Biblical context. The etymology of "bi-gamy" may be dual marriage, but its definition is now "illegally marrying more than one person." Likewise, "polygamy" now means the practice of having more than one spouse. I see no reason not to use the correct term "polygamist" since it's clear from the article's context that he has only two wives. Yawar.fiesta ( talk) 18:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 16:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
– Clear primary topic, the only Elkanah with an actual article. PatGallacher ( talk) 20:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Depending on which version of the Bible you pick up, this guy could belong to either group.
Jehovah Rapa 2600:1009:B000:7B9:A1AB:BFC5:AB6B:44B3 ( talk) 03:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)