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I have removed the "
Samaria region in" from the lead as
Samaria is a non-specific geographical location which is
Not precisely defined,
Not used outside of Israeli/Jewish circles,
Politically loaded.
There is a larger discussion on the topic at
Talk:Israeli settlement, the conclusions of which I am applying here.
Cheers, pedrito - talk - 18.02.2009 13:28
Geogrphic regions are never "precisely defined", but that's no reason not to use a more specific term than a generic "west bank". The Mojave desert is also not precisely defined, but that's not a reason to avoid saying that Twenty Palms is in the MD, rather than in California. Samaria is used outside of Jewsi Israeli circles - see
this as one example.
NoCal100 (
talk) 14:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)reply
I gave three reasons. The imprecision is actually the lesser of the three. Non-notability and
WP:POVishness are the main ones.
I disagree with your last assertion. Perhaps you can tell me what POV theUN was pushing when it used the term to describe the boundaries of the Arab state in UNGAR 181? Or what POV the CIA is pushing when is so labels the area in its maps?
NoCal100 (
talk) 14:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)reply
When UNGAR 181 was written 60 years ago, the old Mandate region name was still in wide use. When the CIA put the name on a bilingual reference map, it was in order to make clear what names the locals use. Had it been some kind of official terminology, it would have been used at least once by the CIA in the 15 years since. It is pretty well established that, as Pedrito points out, the name is
imprecise, Israel-specific, and politically loaded. We should avoid all that by simply using the accepted term, "(the northern part of) the West Bank".
MeteorMaker (
talk) 18:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)reply
Deleted irrelevant politically biased sentence about Israeli settlements, which is already mentioned with link in the first sentence.
Not sure why one side dispute is called "lies" by editor (biased statement). Easy to leave politically loaded sentence out.
Also deleted politically biased sentence from ARIJ source - ARIJ NGO is a leader in the political warfare against the state of Israel, using false information and vehement rhetoric.
YSchary (
talk) 08:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)reply
The language you removed is standard language included in every settlement article. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 13:16, 18 September 2019 (UTC)reply
As for
ARIJ, there has been a RfC about it, please read
this page,
Huldra (
talk) 22:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)reply
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I have removed the "
Samaria region in" from the lead as
Samaria is a non-specific geographical location which is
Not precisely defined,
Not used outside of Israeli/Jewish circles,
Politically loaded.
There is a larger discussion on the topic at
Talk:Israeli settlement, the conclusions of which I am applying here.
Cheers, pedrito - talk - 18.02.2009 13:28
Geogrphic regions are never "precisely defined", but that's no reason not to use a more specific term than a generic "west bank". The Mojave desert is also not precisely defined, but that's not a reason to avoid saying that Twenty Palms is in the MD, rather than in California. Samaria is used outside of Jewsi Israeli circles - see
this as one example.
NoCal100 (
talk) 14:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)reply
I gave three reasons. The imprecision is actually the lesser of the three. Non-notability and
WP:POVishness are the main ones.
I disagree with your last assertion. Perhaps you can tell me what POV theUN was pushing when it used the term to describe the boundaries of the Arab state in UNGAR 181? Or what POV the CIA is pushing when is so labels the area in its maps?
NoCal100 (
talk) 14:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)reply
When UNGAR 181 was written 60 years ago, the old Mandate region name was still in wide use. When the CIA put the name on a bilingual reference map, it was in order to make clear what names the locals use. Had it been some kind of official terminology, it would have been used at least once by the CIA in the 15 years since. It is pretty well established that, as Pedrito points out, the name is
imprecise, Israel-specific, and politically loaded. We should avoid all that by simply using the accepted term, "(the northern part of) the West Bank".
MeteorMaker (
talk) 18:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)reply
Deleted irrelevant politically biased sentence about Israeli settlements, which is already mentioned with link in the first sentence.
Not sure why one side dispute is called "lies" by editor (biased statement). Easy to leave politically loaded sentence out.
Also deleted politically biased sentence from ARIJ source - ARIJ NGO is a leader in the political warfare against the state of Israel, using false information and vehement rhetoric.
YSchary (
talk) 08:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)reply
The language you removed is standard language included in every settlement article. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 13:16, 18 September 2019 (UTC)reply
As for
ARIJ, there has been a RfC about it, please read
this page,
Huldra (
talk) 22:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)reply