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Not sure who's applied the {{ fact}} tag so liberally on this article but the level of usage is abusive. Please use {{ Unreferenced}} on an entire section where needed. Thanks. Netscott 21:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there really any reason to include the Canadian arms? There are several obvious reasons for including the UK royal arms more than any others, but more than that is getting a bit crazy. The Queen's personal flags in other realms are mentioned without going into this much detail, and that seems a much better template to follow. JPD ( talk) 16:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please confirm that Image:Elizabeth II 80th.jpg is a free image? The source of the image states: "Please note that this image of The Queen is strictly for use for by individuals, communities, charities, parishes and other non-commercial organisations. All usage must be accompanied by the credit line 'Snowdon/Camera Press'." Wikipedia is a non-commercial organisation, and the image has been credited here with Snowdon/Camera Press. In my interpretation, that makes it as much a free image as the one Spencer insists on inserting ( Image:Elizabeth II.jpg), which is tagged with the disclaimer: "The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the agency and the photographer are credited." Both images are released under essentially the same conditions.
Image:Elizabeth II 80th.jpg was uploaded and tagged with a fair use template. This may need to be altered to reflect it's free use status and conditions - I'm not aware of how to do that.
It should also be explained that Image:Elizabeth II 80th.jpg is preferable over Image:Elizabeth II.jpg as it is a) a better quality photo, and b) one which portrays the Queen without any distinguishing orders. Image:Elizabeth II.jpg shows the Queen wearing her UK orders, which is as biased as the image that previously showed her wearing only her Canadian orders ( Image:Ac.thequeen.jpg). -- gbambino 15:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I've just tried to find a solution to this by calling the Press Office at Buckingham Palace and asking for a suitable image which we could use, noting the sensitivity of which regalia are shown. Unfortunately, the staff who eventually dealt with my call (after a lot of buck-passing) were somewhat unable to grasp the concept of Wikipedia. They directed me to another organisation which sells images of HM, but that's obviously not a lot of use for uploading to here. *sigh*. I just mention it here to save anybody else the bother of trying it! – Kieran T ( talk | contribs) 15:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, and Saint Kitts and Nevis
hmm, maybe not :-) Lofty 19:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
This is a note to remind editors at this article to not revert unfree image cleanup. Unfree images that have freely-licensed replacements will be deleted. Don't add more work by adding them to articles while the cleanup process is happening. Jkelly 03:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here:
-- Mais oui! 10:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Insert non-formatted text here
Will whomever keeps putting in the special table of contents box please stop!!! There is a reason we don't put them there. It may look OK on your computer screen but on millions of others your change screws up the page. If people don't have the WP screen open fully on their desktop, or they have the font set large, or if a host of other things are done, then your edit turns the page into an unreadable mess. On my screen it reduces the entire first paragraph to a row of one word lines. On a different browser it broke the paragraph mid sentence with part of the paragraph before the TOC and the rest at the bottom. That is why we never ever ever but a TOC at the top of a page when that page has a template.
If you don't like white spaces beside the TOC (and there are always white spaces beside a TOC) then put pictures or something in that space. Because different people may be looking at the page with different monitors, we cannot have pictures larger than 250px, cannot have the TOC at the top, and cannot do a host of other things. So stop it.
FearÉIREANN
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(caint)
15:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
PS: I've moved the royal family template up to be beside the TOC so you don't have to look at "white space".
Please add how to pronounce "Elizabeth II" (I think it is "Elizabeth the second").
Thanks. -- Anon
Someone had added Duke of Lancaster to the titles part. Any comments? Joshua Chiew 00:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
It is true that this article is always going to be a bit on the long side, but I am not sure that the section about the Proclamations needs to be here. The proclamations themselves probably belong on Wikipedia, and the explanation surrounding, while interesting, is not the sort of detail I'd expect in this sort of biographical article. I am also not sure we need the Honorary military appointments section. It is nothing but a list, of arguable importance. Surely it wouldn't hurt to move it to a subarticle? JPD ( talk) 11:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
As has been explained several times, "the United Kingdom and her/the Commonwealth Realms" is ridiculous unless you are saying that the United Kingdom is not a Commmonwealth Realm. Throughout Wikipedia, the term Commonwealth Realms includes the UK, based on the (exceedingly logical) definition of Commonwealth Realm formerly on the monarchy's website. It is true that the rest of the website does not seem to use the term in that sense, but if you are to argue that the UK is not a Commonwealth Realm, then you should be changing Commonwealth Realms and a lot more, not simply putting a strange title in an infobox. "Queen of the Commonwealth Realms" is not an official title anywhere, but neither is "Queen of the United Kingdom and her Commonwealth Realms". If we are not going to use an official title, then use the version that makes sense (apart from anything else, "Commonwealth" is redundant after "her"!). I personally would not be bothered if the infobox used the British title (of the UK and her other realms and territories), but I'm sure some would object. JPD ( talk) 13:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Queen of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms // D B D 15:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
It may be POV to say that she is primarily Queen of the United Kingdom, but it's not POV to point out that she is generally regarded primarily as Queen of the United Kingdom, especially as there are fairly obvious reasons for that perception. Also, "the Queen of 16 independent sovereign states known as the Commonwealth Realms" is very different to "Queen of the Commonwealth Realms", as the latter looks far more like an actual title (which, of course, it isn't). I personally don't see what's wrong with just putting "Queen of the United Kingdom" under her name in the infobox and letting the article text explain that it's not her only title — it's already the title in the article name, so it's not as if it'd be introducing any bias that's not already there. Even "Queen of the United Kingdom, etc." would be better than using something that looks like a title she doesn't have. Proteus (Talk) 15:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Why not "Queen of the United Kingdom and her other realms and territories?" This is the actual title used in the UK, and indicates that there is both the UK, and other realms (the realms could have a link to Commonwealth Realms). john k 23:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I see now how the infobox section in question is titled "Title", which, as already established, "Queen regnant of the Commonwealth Realms" is not. Thus, how about:
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Archive 5 | ← | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | → | Archive 15 |
Not sure who's applied the {{ fact}} tag so liberally on this article but the level of usage is abusive. Please use {{ Unreferenced}} on an entire section where needed. Thanks. Netscott 21:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there really any reason to include the Canadian arms? There are several obvious reasons for including the UK royal arms more than any others, but more than that is getting a bit crazy. The Queen's personal flags in other realms are mentioned without going into this much detail, and that seems a much better template to follow. JPD ( talk) 16:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please confirm that Image:Elizabeth II 80th.jpg is a free image? The source of the image states: "Please note that this image of The Queen is strictly for use for by individuals, communities, charities, parishes and other non-commercial organisations. All usage must be accompanied by the credit line 'Snowdon/Camera Press'." Wikipedia is a non-commercial organisation, and the image has been credited here with Snowdon/Camera Press. In my interpretation, that makes it as much a free image as the one Spencer insists on inserting ( Image:Elizabeth II.jpg), which is tagged with the disclaimer: "The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the agency and the photographer are credited." Both images are released under essentially the same conditions.
Image:Elizabeth II 80th.jpg was uploaded and tagged with a fair use template. This may need to be altered to reflect it's free use status and conditions - I'm not aware of how to do that.
It should also be explained that Image:Elizabeth II 80th.jpg is preferable over Image:Elizabeth II.jpg as it is a) a better quality photo, and b) one which portrays the Queen without any distinguishing orders. Image:Elizabeth II.jpg shows the Queen wearing her UK orders, which is as biased as the image that previously showed her wearing only her Canadian orders ( Image:Ac.thequeen.jpg). -- gbambino 15:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I've just tried to find a solution to this by calling the Press Office at Buckingham Palace and asking for a suitable image which we could use, noting the sensitivity of which regalia are shown. Unfortunately, the staff who eventually dealt with my call (after a lot of buck-passing) were somewhat unable to grasp the concept of Wikipedia. They directed me to another organisation which sells images of HM, but that's obviously not a lot of use for uploading to here. *sigh*. I just mention it here to save anybody else the bother of trying it! – Kieran T ( talk | contribs) 15:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, and Saint Kitts and Nevis
hmm, maybe not :-) Lofty 19:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
This is a note to remind editors at this article to not revert unfree image cleanup. Unfree images that have freely-licensed replacements will be deleted. Don't add more work by adding them to articles while the cleanup process is happening. Jkelly 03:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Please see the discussion here:
-- Mais oui! 10:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Insert non-formatted text here
Will whomever keeps putting in the special table of contents box please stop!!! There is a reason we don't put them there. It may look OK on your computer screen but on millions of others your change screws up the page. If people don't have the WP screen open fully on their desktop, or they have the font set large, or if a host of other things are done, then your edit turns the page into an unreadable mess. On my screen it reduces the entire first paragraph to a row of one word lines. On a different browser it broke the paragraph mid sentence with part of the paragraph before the TOC and the rest at the bottom. That is why we never ever ever but a TOC at the top of a page when that page has a template.
If you don't like white spaces beside the TOC (and there are always white spaces beside a TOC) then put pictures or something in that space. Because different people may be looking at the page with different monitors, we cannot have pictures larger than 250px, cannot have the TOC at the top, and cannot do a host of other things. So stop it.
FearÉIREANN
\
(caint)
15:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
PS: I've moved the royal family template up to be beside the TOC so you don't have to look at "white space".
Please add how to pronounce "Elizabeth II" (I think it is "Elizabeth the second").
Thanks. -- Anon
Someone had added Duke of Lancaster to the titles part. Any comments? Joshua Chiew 00:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
It is true that this article is always going to be a bit on the long side, but I am not sure that the section about the Proclamations needs to be here. The proclamations themselves probably belong on Wikipedia, and the explanation surrounding, while interesting, is not the sort of detail I'd expect in this sort of biographical article. I am also not sure we need the Honorary military appointments section. It is nothing but a list, of arguable importance. Surely it wouldn't hurt to move it to a subarticle? JPD ( talk) 11:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
As has been explained several times, "the United Kingdom and her/the Commonwealth Realms" is ridiculous unless you are saying that the United Kingdom is not a Commmonwealth Realm. Throughout Wikipedia, the term Commonwealth Realms includes the UK, based on the (exceedingly logical) definition of Commonwealth Realm formerly on the monarchy's website. It is true that the rest of the website does not seem to use the term in that sense, but if you are to argue that the UK is not a Commonwealth Realm, then you should be changing Commonwealth Realms and a lot more, not simply putting a strange title in an infobox. "Queen of the Commonwealth Realms" is not an official title anywhere, but neither is "Queen of the United Kingdom and her Commonwealth Realms". If we are not going to use an official title, then use the version that makes sense (apart from anything else, "Commonwealth" is redundant after "her"!). I personally would not be bothered if the infobox used the British title (of the UK and her other realms and territories), but I'm sure some would object. JPD ( talk) 13:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Queen of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms // D B D 15:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
It may be POV to say that she is primarily Queen of the United Kingdom, but it's not POV to point out that she is generally regarded primarily as Queen of the United Kingdom, especially as there are fairly obvious reasons for that perception. Also, "the Queen of 16 independent sovereign states known as the Commonwealth Realms" is very different to "Queen of the Commonwealth Realms", as the latter looks far more like an actual title (which, of course, it isn't). I personally don't see what's wrong with just putting "Queen of the United Kingdom" under her name in the infobox and letting the article text explain that it's not her only title — it's already the title in the article name, so it's not as if it'd be introducing any bias that's not already there. Even "Queen of the United Kingdom, etc." would be better than using something that looks like a title she doesn't have. Proteus (Talk) 15:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Why not "Queen of the United Kingdom and her other realms and territories?" This is the actual title used in the UK, and indicates that there is both the UK, and other realms (the realms could have a link to Commonwealth Realms). john k 23:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I see now how the infobox section in question is titled "Title", which, as already established, "Queen regnant of the Commonwealth Realms" is not. Thus, how about:
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