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I am down grading the Schools assessment to B, as there are two many inconsistancies. The lead does not follow WP:MOS: It contains a rambling essay about war time in Derbyshire, and a refers to a two century break in its history- this is not the place for a discussion like that. The lead refers to this as a boys school- they are admitting girls (later on in text)- the infobox says this is a 11-18 school, the text talks of the Junior School and even about pre-primary provision. Later they extol exam success and explain that many alumni go onto Russell Universities. (many- what percent?); many is prospectus speak for less than average. There is a lot of work for this to become a good schools article. ClemRutter ( talk) 19:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
"During the German occupation of the Channel Islands, the school was evacuated to Great Hucklow, Derbyshire, where it operated for five years."), surely a significant period in any school's history. The sentence you refer to is not an 'essay' by any definition, and certainly not a rambling one at that, nor is it out of 'place' for a lead section of an article. Likewise, the succinct summary of the difficult period after its establishment is certainly relevant in giving an overview of the school and in providing context to the article. For my understanding, are you suggesting that a lead section should not provide a concise overview of the history of the school – which comprises a substantial portion of this article – in order to conform with WP:MOS?
I am very willing to make the necessary changes immediately to rectify and issues. Consolidating the above, I believe the issues are addressed as follows:
I believe that is all the urgent issues addressed, though please let me know if there are any other serious issues which need rectifying ASAP. While it is a long article, I do believe what's there serves its purpose; no more, no less. A firm believer in the maxim "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away", I have on a number of occasions been through with a fine-tooth comb finding fat to trim and ways to remove fat from the article. — Ave ( talk) 19:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for confirming that and for a productive discussion. Indeed, there are always ways to improve and make more concise. I'll have a crack this weekend at really going through in detail and finding where the article could be improved within its class. — Ave ( talk) 07:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
It really is a pleasure to read now. Well done. I read the text through and found the section Elizabeth College, Guernsey#Academic performance to be unduely promotional in tone- and then I looked at the references in that section. WP:RS refers. Some are primary sources, the 3 schools funding application document [ref 64]was written to attract funding- and was brilliantly successful. [ref 66] is entitled Why choose Elizabeth College.and was published by the school. Also I couldn't find some of the statistics or facts contained in the cited references. Somewhere I fould a reference to a twitter account held by the school. I think the prioriy now is to identify and delete the dud references. See you all Sunday I hope at London Virtual Meetup 161. ClemRutter ( talk) 11:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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I am down grading the Schools assessment to B, as there are two many inconsistancies. The lead does not follow WP:MOS: It contains a rambling essay about war time in Derbyshire, and a refers to a two century break in its history- this is not the place for a discussion like that. The lead refers to this as a boys school- they are admitting girls (later on in text)- the infobox says this is a 11-18 school, the text talks of the Junior School and even about pre-primary provision. Later they extol exam success and explain that many alumni go onto Russell Universities. (many- what percent?); many is prospectus speak for less than average. There is a lot of work for this to become a good schools article. ClemRutter ( talk) 19:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
"During the German occupation of the Channel Islands, the school was evacuated to Great Hucklow, Derbyshire, where it operated for five years."), surely a significant period in any school's history. The sentence you refer to is not an 'essay' by any definition, and certainly not a rambling one at that, nor is it out of 'place' for a lead section of an article. Likewise, the succinct summary of the difficult period after its establishment is certainly relevant in giving an overview of the school and in providing context to the article. For my understanding, are you suggesting that a lead section should not provide a concise overview of the history of the school – which comprises a substantial portion of this article – in order to conform with WP:MOS?
I am very willing to make the necessary changes immediately to rectify and issues. Consolidating the above, I believe the issues are addressed as follows:
I believe that is all the urgent issues addressed, though please let me know if there are any other serious issues which need rectifying ASAP. While it is a long article, I do believe what's there serves its purpose; no more, no less. A firm believer in the maxim "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away", I have on a number of occasions been through with a fine-tooth comb finding fat to trim and ways to remove fat from the article. — Ave ( talk) 19:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for confirming that and for a productive discussion. Indeed, there are always ways to improve and make more concise. I'll have a crack this weekend at really going through in detail and finding where the article could be improved within its class. — Ave ( talk) 07:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
It really is a pleasure to read now. Well done. I read the text through and found the section Elizabeth College, Guernsey#Academic performance to be unduely promotional in tone- and then I looked at the references in that section. WP:RS refers. Some are primary sources, the 3 schools funding application document [ref 64]was written to attract funding- and was brilliantly successful. [ref 66] is entitled Why choose Elizabeth College.and was published by the school. Also I couldn't find some of the statistics or facts contained in the cited references. Somewhere I fould a reference to a twitter account held by the school. I think the prioriy now is to identify and delete the dud references. See you all Sunday I hope at London Virtual Meetup 161. ClemRutter ( talk) 11:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)