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I added the fact of nuissance candidate declaration by comelec. I also added the rape case.
-- Florentino floro 12:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
add rape case.
-- Florentino floro 12:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
i deleted those articles coz i find it not necessary to be posted here @wiki...
The nuissance candidate issue and rape issue being charged of Eliseo Soriano was trimmed down into one category: Legal and Court Cases. This aspect still needs to be cleaned to reach the standards of an encyclopedia. -- Julianmakabayan 00:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the most recent addition which partly stated "Comelec said Soriano does not have the capability to launch a nationwide campaign". According to the official Comelec report, Soriano and others were declared nuisance/disqualified "for the reasons that they cannot wage a national campaign, and/or are not nominated by a political party or are not supported by a registered political party with a national constituency". The addition to the article gave (unsourced) comment on a selective part of the reason/s for disqualification. Not very encyclopedic. Moriori 02:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
The source of the comment was there all along, you just did not read through it. Read it again, please:
OMNIBUS RESOLUTION No. 6604 Click and read the sentence below disqualified candidate number 39.
Here's the whole sentence:
Prescinding therefrom, the Commission, after carefully evaluating the pleadings including documentary evidence thereof, submitted in connection with the disqualification of the mentioned candidates, RESOLVED as it hereby RESOLVES to DENY the motios for reconsideration and to AFFIRM COMELEC Resolution No. 6558 disqualifying the following candidates:
--- 'list of disqualified candidates here' --
for the reasons that they cannot wage a national campaign, and/or are not nominated by a political party or are not supported by a registered political party with a national constituency.
signed: -- Journeyist 05:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Please do not remove the word controversial. My dictionary defines controversial as giving rise or likely to give rise to public disagreement -- contentious, disputed, at issue, disputable, debatable, arguable, vexed, tendentious. The article clearly states he criticises various other religious groups for their doctrines and practices, that he faces charges for rape, that he was declared a nuisance senatorial candidate and was disqualified from an election. That makes him controversial, by any definition. Incidentally, isn't it "coincidental" that after Wikipedia used his own website as a source for "controversial", the word was removed from his website. Moriori 21:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the same Comelec who declared Bro. Soriano to be a "nuisance" candidate and a "capricious" person is itself (by Moriori's standards) even more controversial because it is universally hated in the Philippines for being the institution that made possible the Hello Garci Election Scandal. Moriori, you clearly must conduct a deeper study of Philippine society and Philippine government before drawing conclusions from superficial facts you happen to find on establishment websites. Our Comelec is not the same respectable electoral institution you may have in your country. Your political leaders do not count on political support from shrewd religious leaders such as those in our country whom Bro. Soriano stand against. Moriori, you do not know the political cost of speaking the biblical truth in the Philippines. We are a marginalized religious minority with powerful enemies in the Philippine media, government and established religion. I hope you will be little more objective. Journeyist 04:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
i edited and removed the offensive words coming from haters. Anti Charlatan ( talk) 04:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
i deleted the first paragraph, because those statements are baseless and inaccurate. Mr. Soriano's manner of preaching is not 'often' a target of criticism. In fact, he has received numerous citations and recognitions coming from different award giving bodies --- all of which came from groups with different religious denominations (see the awards and recognitions section). He is also not 'fond' of attacking his 'religious opponent'. One who religiously tunes in to his broadcasts on TV and radio, will 'realize' that Mr. Soriano is just prompted to answer all those who ask questions to him regarding salvation, the bible, God, etc. For one who is teaching the truth to be reliable and accurate must always also point out the false. This is not 'attacking' in its real essence. Mickey0000 03:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
There is no doubt, and I confirm that Bro. Eli has no duplicate in the entire world, even in Ateneo EAPI. I studied pre-divinity at the Ateneo, 1972, where I met the best of Catholic Philippinea most powerful priests and foreign Ph.D.s, like my classmate Fr. Archie Intengan, S.J. But I never found any foreign doctors who could match Eli's phenomena.
Bro. Eli is a phenomena as far as BIBLE memorization or citing is concerned, he is a dictionary.
However, I find his biting and negativism vs other sects diminishing his positive gains.
Maybe it is due to his emotional setting.
-- Florentino floro 08:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I am not trying to start an edit war but I have been reverting some edits which are POV and which are also rather poor English. I don't think the author is editing in bad faith but it is clear that different people have different views and it is hard to be impartial. Soriano is a controvercial figure and we should not take sides in his arguments. Perhaps the wording is a bit harsh in places but we can't have a whitewash either. We need to avoid anecodotal claims and counter-claims. If there is no supporting references then it is better to remove them completely. If there are references for both views then both can be included.
I would also like to explain why "Rape case" is the correct title for the section and "Alleged rape case" is wrong. The rape is an allegation because we don't know if that really happened but the case itself is real not alleged. To say "alleged rape case" is to say that it is disputed whether there is/was a court case. I know this is a bit subtle but the title as it is does not imply his guilt and should stay as it is. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 18:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
In November 2006, a arrest warrant against Soriano was issued by Judge Lucina Dayaon, Macabebe, RTC Branch 54. Eliseo Soriano on June 21, 2008, posted P 240,000 bail for another 2 counts of rape, before Judge Silvino Pampilo, Jr., Manila Regional Trial, after surrendering to a police Station 10 jailer Jun Gumaruin, Pandacan, Manila to avoid being apprehension. The indictment or criminal "Information" states that: "Soriano took advantage of his moral ascendancy and/or influence to direct his subordinate to come into his room, massage him and have anal intercourse, around 1:30 p.m. of May 17, 2000. The sexual acts were done against the will and consent, and to the damage and prejudice of the complainant, who was also a religious." Gumaru said: "He was not into hiding, and he was not arrested." Inquirer.net, Dating Daan’s Ely Soriano posts bail-- Florentino floro ( talk) 12:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Would editors please stop accusing each other of vandalism over the removal and readding of the news quotes. This is a good faith content dispute, not vandalism. Vandalism is when somebody knows that what they are doing is wrong and deliberately makes the article worse. I am sure that this does not apply here. I know that there have been editors seeking to remove critical material from this article, which rightly puts us on guard, but the removal of the news quotes seems legitimate to me. If anybody disagrees we can discuss it here, but lets stop reverting and accusing eachother. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 10:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
This [1] shows that Soriano's bail and release were fraudulent and therefore he was sued for falsification: "Investigation showed that Soriano never surrendered nor was he arrested or detained at the Pandacan station on June 21, but a certificate of detention was still issued on his behalf by Pandacan Police Officer 3 June Gumaru, said Criminal Investigation and Detection Group-Manila chief Superintendent Joaquin Alva." So, I must re-add this, so that this Wikipedia article would be neutral and verifiable as to the fact of bail and release.-- Florentino floro ( talk) 07:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Obviously, this page should be declared defaced in many levels.
Many information, accounts and even references placed here are speculations, malicious and curiously deceptive.
For one, this biography page reflects nothing but the sordid affairs of the elite few who have the power to impose their own rules. Rules that lean more to favor their whims and likings. Rules, when questioned, are obviously not one bound for thorough review or balanced inspection.
There are few questions that beg to be answered?
1. It WP prohibits entries that will promote, advertise or praise a certain person or thing, does this then give rights or freedom to fault-finders, sock puppets and enemies of the person with a page to vandalize, and assume their role as vanguards of what they termed as "true, accurate" information? What true, accurate and credible information can we expect from enemies?
2. WP, which was founded based on the spirit of collaboration, free exchange of true, accurate and verifiable information, is now losing this quality over the years. One reason for this degradation is brought about by quack editors and quasi-righteous users. Should we expect certainty in rough, wild waters of collaboration?
3. Why is this page, together with other pages connected to this preacher, loaded with vile attacks and negativity that will put to shame the WP pages of the world's most notorious criminals? Why then are the pages of the people this preacher exposes glowing clean as if these are people brought here by the heavens? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Manalo . Then look at Eli Soriano's WP page. Compare.
Petersantos ( talk) 08:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
References
The very first reference for this article comes from the website of -- guess who? The subject of the article. That's who. The whole article is a crock. What happened to so called Wikipedia objectivity? Very sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.176.181 ( talk) 21:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I edited this BLP article in good faith, removing a claim in the intro that the subject is an international fugitive. There are two references regarding this, and one of them says he surrendered to the court and was freed on bail (so he can't be a fugitive). Remember what Jimbo Wales said about Biographies of Living Persons? He said "we have a really serious responsibility to get things right.". Remember what BlP also says? It says '"poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". I removed the contentious claim because it is poorly sourced, with one reference contradicting the other. It has now been restored by a user who wonders if I am a banned user called petersantos. I am not. I simply want to make wiki more encyclopedic, but the two users who restored the information, User:Conrad940 and User:Shannon Rose clearly want POV retained, to the detriment of Wikipedia. Shame on you both.
Also, I removed the claim that "Soriano is popular for criticizing various other religious groups...." Read that again. And again. The leader of a minority group is popular for criticizing other religious groups? Pigs might fly. I also did a brief general edit which improved the aticle. Naturally enough, it was deleted by the pov pushers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.164.160 ( talk) 01:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to this article needs to be a summary of the entire article. As it is right now, it doesn't give the gist of why he's controversial, which tips it as positive POV. As with many articles I come around this project, the first sentence should always be name, birth date and place, and occupation. Deviating from that for any reason can be grounds of pushing a certain point of view. Since "fugitive" is not an occupation, I removed it and I might add a sentence as to why he is. Also there should be sources on the intro as well. -- wL< speak· check> 10:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems that friends of Soriano are editing again. I am not going to revert them on the spot as they are making points that would be valid if they were proven:
The first point is very important if it is true but the huge chunk of verbiage added lacks any references except one which is transparently irrelevant [2]. Does anybody have references for it? If it is true that he has been acquitted then we have to rewrite the article significantly to reduce coverage of the matter and make it clear that the charge ended in acquittal. If it is not true then we need to revert the whole lot.
The second point is arguable. The Interpol web site does say that "An Interpol Red Notice is not an international arrest warrant." [3] however it is clearly something quite similar. The purpose of a red notice is described as "To seek the arrest or provisional arrest of wanted persons with a view to extradition" [4]. We should modify the article to reflect this distinction however there is no justification for removing the phrase "international fugitive" (unless the case really has been dropped) as Interpol lists the red notices under the category of "Fugitives" and the service handling them is called "Fugitive investigative services" [5].
So, we need facts! This article is not meant to be pro or anti Soriano. If somebody can dig up the true and up-to-date facts of the matter we can make sure that the article does not overstate or underplay the significance of these events. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 15:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I am removing this section due to a lack of verifiable 3rd party sources. www.eliseosoriano.com is hardly a reliable source is it? Prior to restoration or reversion please consult WP:PROVEIT WP:BURDEN and WP:SOURCES. - 4twenty42o ( talk) 05:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
The stuff just got reinserted again and so I took another look at it before removing it again.
Key points:
My view is that there is no justification for a whole section on these awards as they are not very significant in themselves. The real question is whether they tell us anything. A sentence or two on them in the Ang Dating Daan article is justified. I am not convinced that they belong here but they could be mentioned, very briefly, as a way of indicating the high esteem in which Soriano was held, via his organisations, prior to his legal troubles. Perhaps more interesting are the results of the 2008 awards [8] which show ongoing support despite the legal troubles. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 18:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
The content was reinserted with the comment "Winners of American Idol are voted by SMS too. Non-notable?". I think that deserves an answer. The answer is that American Idol is a massive media event that would make its winners notable even if they were picked by a spinning a bottle. The web awards are not in this category. They do get a little media attention but they don't count for much in the grand scheme of things. I am not 100% against them being mentioned in the article, if it serves some genuine encyclopaedic purpose, but spamming the article with a load of YouTube videos is unacceptable. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 23:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
As the person repeatedly reinserting these spam links is not engaging in discussion, I have no choice but to start reverting them as vandalism and handing out warnings. Its a pity but that's how it goes. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 00:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I am watching too if you need a witness. - 4twenty42o ( talk) 00:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Although the Manila Times no longer supports the article i found a link on way back. Can that be used as a ref?? http://web.archive.org/web/20071217182209/http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/oct/06/yehey/metro/20071006met1.html - 4twenty42o ( talk) 07:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
There are a couple of changes I think should be made, that I believe will make this a more accurate article. First I found a link to the story on the libel case. http://web.archive.org/web/20071217182209/http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/oct/06/yehey/metro/20071006met1.html I can find nothing to suggest that any part of the story was fabricated or retracted. Secondly the awards and recognition section needs to be removed completely. The references are youtube videos and the awards actually go to the "church" not the man. Does anyone have any objections? Opinions? Or concerns about these changes? - 4twenty42o ( talk) 06:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Please know that users 1K Years, The Editor's Pen, and 124.217.31.65 have been positively identified as none other than perma-blocked Eliseo Soriano follower Felix Natalo. This is history repeating itself, dear friends. Do you still remember our experience with perma-blocked Petersantos and Dar book? Fellow editors, let us be aware of the strategies of this group and remain vigilant in guarding the integrity of this article! – Shannon Rose Talk 15:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Both articles have descriptions concerning Soriano's 'international fugitive' status. This claim uses a link to a local tabloid paper and a notice at the Interpol website, which the former refers to.
However, there is no such notice in the Interpol website about Eli Soriano. In the Interpol's Red Notice list, there is no Soriano that refers to the preacher, nor is he present in the list of suspects from the Philippines when searching the Interpol database.
I request concerned editors to please rectify Soriano's 'international fugitive' claim by providing reliable sources which are not the two already provided as the source from the Interpol doesn't exist, or remove the line altogether for being a BLP violation. -- 112.203.97.53 ( talk) 06:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Claiming somebody as a fugitive when he's no longer listed in the interpol fugitive website violates BLP. This should reflect in the article that Soriano was previously listed as fugitive but it is no longer the case. You can't use a web archive as a source because it doesn't reflect the current status quo. The Portuguese article states Soriano is in Brazil now and has tv and radio programs in that country and it should reflect in the English article also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.63.105.66 ( talk) 21:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I've done some research about this [person] edited for BLP concerns - BLP applies to talk page comments as well and I've found some rumors that he is currently in Brazil. Using Google's search engine this suggestion appears: Eli Soriano Brazil. We need valid references to back this claims. If ever a valid RS is found, I believe that info be placed in the article. IronBreww ( talk) 09:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
To summarize here are the issues of the article.
My Reaction: ANYONE CAN FILE CHARGES AGAINST A CONTROVERSIAL PREACHER...If I file a case against John Doe and he does not attend the court hearing. Is he now considered a fugitive and that part should be placed in Wikipedia? Think about it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.64.72 ( talk) 03:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I've increased the coverage of the article and added more references. Now, there are 25 references about the article. The lead section was recently neutralized by another established user and I will not disagree (for now) since the editor's reason is valid. There are still more references, but they might be unnotable to mention. IronBreww ( chat) 07:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} Remove Filipino of Spanish descent. You need to have a source.
68.125.216.237 ( talk) 13:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Done
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There are conflicting reports on the date of Soriano's date, understandably due to a difference of timezone in Brazil. Most WP:RS at the moment reports he died on February 12, "early Friday morning" (February 12) which contradicts with the UNTV source that his church confirmed his death on Feb 11 and some source are careful to just say that the announcement of his death, but not the date of his death itself. Also it does not help that sources so far don't mention any time reference to their dates if its local time ( Brazil) or Philippine time. So I suggest deferring from placing a date of death on the infobox, or anywhere else in the article as reliable sources presumably gather more info on the circumstances of his death. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 09:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
The host of the longest-running religious program in the Philippines, “Ang Dating Daan,” died on Thursday at the age of 73 and people from all walks of life paid tribute to remember his evangelical works and services to the public.
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Should I create a separate page for the week event, The Legacy Continues and MCGI Free Store (since this started the whole community pantry thing in the Philippines), I found that other MCGI Events have separate pages so I think It would be necessary to have the The Legacy Continues and MCGI Free Store separate pages. Or if not, Expand the "Legacy Category" of this article.
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I added the fact of nuissance candidate declaration by comelec. I also added the rape case.
-- Florentino floro 12:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
add rape case.
-- Florentino floro 12:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
i deleted those articles coz i find it not necessary to be posted here @wiki...
The nuissance candidate issue and rape issue being charged of Eliseo Soriano was trimmed down into one category: Legal and Court Cases. This aspect still needs to be cleaned to reach the standards of an encyclopedia. -- Julianmakabayan 00:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the most recent addition which partly stated "Comelec said Soriano does not have the capability to launch a nationwide campaign". According to the official Comelec report, Soriano and others were declared nuisance/disqualified "for the reasons that they cannot wage a national campaign, and/or are not nominated by a political party or are not supported by a registered political party with a national constituency". The addition to the article gave (unsourced) comment on a selective part of the reason/s for disqualification. Not very encyclopedic. Moriori 02:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
The source of the comment was there all along, you just did not read through it. Read it again, please:
OMNIBUS RESOLUTION No. 6604 Click and read the sentence below disqualified candidate number 39.
Here's the whole sentence:
Prescinding therefrom, the Commission, after carefully evaluating the pleadings including documentary evidence thereof, submitted in connection with the disqualification of the mentioned candidates, RESOLVED as it hereby RESOLVES to DENY the motios for reconsideration and to AFFIRM COMELEC Resolution No. 6558 disqualifying the following candidates:
--- 'list of disqualified candidates here' --
for the reasons that they cannot wage a national campaign, and/or are not nominated by a political party or are not supported by a registered political party with a national constituency.
signed: -- Journeyist 05:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Please do not remove the word controversial. My dictionary defines controversial as giving rise or likely to give rise to public disagreement -- contentious, disputed, at issue, disputable, debatable, arguable, vexed, tendentious. The article clearly states he criticises various other religious groups for their doctrines and practices, that he faces charges for rape, that he was declared a nuisance senatorial candidate and was disqualified from an election. That makes him controversial, by any definition. Incidentally, isn't it "coincidental" that after Wikipedia used his own website as a source for "controversial", the word was removed from his website. Moriori 21:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the same Comelec who declared Bro. Soriano to be a "nuisance" candidate and a "capricious" person is itself (by Moriori's standards) even more controversial because it is universally hated in the Philippines for being the institution that made possible the Hello Garci Election Scandal. Moriori, you clearly must conduct a deeper study of Philippine society and Philippine government before drawing conclusions from superficial facts you happen to find on establishment websites. Our Comelec is not the same respectable electoral institution you may have in your country. Your political leaders do not count on political support from shrewd religious leaders such as those in our country whom Bro. Soriano stand against. Moriori, you do not know the political cost of speaking the biblical truth in the Philippines. We are a marginalized religious minority with powerful enemies in the Philippine media, government and established religion. I hope you will be little more objective. Journeyist 04:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
i edited and removed the offensive words coming from haters. Anti Charlatan ( talk) 04:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
i deleted the first paragraph, because those statements are baseless and inaccurate. Mr. Soriano's manner of preaching is not 'often' a target of criticism. In fact, he has received numerous citations and recognitions coming from different award giving bodies --- all of which came from groups with different religious denominations (see the awards and recognitions section). He is also not 'fond' of attacking his 'religious opponent'. One who religiously tunes in to his broadcasts on TV and radio, will 'realize' that Mr. Soriano is just prompted to answer all those who ask questions to him regarding salvation, the bible, God, etc. For one who is teaching the truth to be reliable and accurate must always also point out the false. This is not 'attacking' in its real essence. Mickey0000 03:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
There is no doubt, and I confirm that Bro. Eli has no duplicate in the entire world, even in Ateneo EAPI. I studied pre-divinity at the Ateneo, 1972, where I met the best of Catholic Philippinea most powerful priests and foreign Ph.D.s, like my classmate Fr. Archie Intengan, S.J. But I never found any foreign doctors who could match Eli's phenomena.
Bro. Eli is a phenomena as far as BIBLE memorization or citing is concerned, he is a dictionary.
However, I find his biting and negativism vs other sects diminishing his positive gains.
Maybe it is due to his emotional setting.
-- Florentino floro 08:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I am not trying to start an edit war but I have been reverting some edits which are POV and which are also rather poor English. I don't think the author is editing in bad faith but it is clear that different people have different views and it is hard to be impartial. Soriano is a controvercial figure and we should not take sides in his arguments. Perhaps the wording is a bit harsh in places but we can't have a whitewash either. We need to avoid anecodotal claims and counter-claims. If there is no supporting references then it is better to remove them completely. If there are references for both views then both can be included.
I would also like to explain why "Rape case" is the correct title for the section and "Alleged rape case" is wrong. The rape is an allegation because we don't know if that really happened but the case itself is real not alleged. To say "alleged rape case" is to say that it is disputed whether there is/was a court case. I know this is a bit subtle but the title as it is does not imply his guilt and should stay as it is. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 18:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
In November 2006, a arrest warrant against Soriano was issued by Judge Lucina Dayaon, Macabebe, RTC Branch 54. Eliseo Soriano on June 21, 2008, posted P 240,000 bail for another 2 counts of rape, before Judge Silvino Pampilo, Jr., Manila Regional Trial, after surrendering to a police Station 10 jailer Jun Gumaruin, Pandacan, Manila to avoid being apprehension. The indictment or criminal "Information" states that: "Soriano took advantage of his moral ascendancy and/or influence to direct his subordinate to come into his room, massage him and have anal intercourse, around 1:30 p.m. of May 17, 2000. The sexual acts were done against the will and consent, and to the damage and prejudice of the complainant, who was also a religious." Gumaru said: "He was not into hiding, and he was not arrested." Inquirer.net, Dating Daan’s Ely Soriano posts bail-- Florentino floro ( talk) 12:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Would editors please stop accusing each other of vandalism over the removal and readding of the news quotes. This is a good faith content dispute, not vandalism. Vandalism is when somebody knows that what they are doing is wrong and deliberately makes the article worse. I am sure that this does not apply here. I know that there have been editors seeking to remove critical material from this article, which rightly puts us on guard, but the removal of the news quotes seems legitimate to me. If anybody disagrees we can discuss it here, but lets stop reverting and accusing eachother. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 10:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
This [1] shows that Soriano's bail and release were fraudulent and therefore he was sued for falsification: "Investigation showed that Soriano never surrendered nor was he arrested or detained at the Pandacan station on June 21, but a certificate of detention was still issued on his behalf by Pandacan Police Officer 3 June Gumaru, said Criminal Investigation and Detection Group-Manila chief Superintendent Joaquin Alva." So, I must re-add this, so that this Wikipedia article would be neutral and verifiable as to the fact of bail and release.-- Florentino floro ( talk) 07:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Obviously, this page should be declared defaced in many levels.
Many information, accounts and even references placed here are speculations, malicious and curiously deceptive.
For one, this biography page reflects nothing but the sordid affairs of the elite few who have the power to impose their own rules. Rules that lean more to favor their whims and likings. Rules, when questioned, are obviously not one bound for thorough review or balanced inspection.
There are few questions that beg to be answered?
1. It WP prohibits entries that will promote, advertise or praise a certain person or thing, does this then give rights or freedom to fault-finders, sock puppets and enemies of the person with a page to vandalize, and assume their role as vanguards of what they termed as "true, accurate" information? What true, accurate and credible information can we expect from enemies?
2. WP, which was founded based on the spirit of collaboration, free exchange of true, accurate and verifiable information, is now losing this quality over the years. One reason for this degradation is brought about by quack editors and quasi-righteous users. Should we expect certainty in rough, wild waters of collaboration?
3. Why is this page, together with other pages connected to this preacher, loaded with vile attacks and negativity that will put to shame the WP pages of the world's most notorious criminals? Why then are the pages of the people this preacher exposes glowing clean as if these are people brought here by the heavens? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Manalo . Then look at Eli Soriano's WP page. Compare.
Petersantos ( talk) 08:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
References
The very first reference for this article comes from the website of -- guess who? The subject of the article. That's who. The whole article is a crock. What happened to so called Wikipedia objectivity? Very sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.176.181 ( talk) 21:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I edited this BLP article in good faith, removing a claim in the intro that the subject is an international fugitive. There are two references regarding this, and one of them says he surrendered to the court and was freed on bail (so he can't be a fugitive). Remember what Jimbo Wales said about Biographies of Living Persons? He said "we have a really serious responsibility to get things right.". Remember what BlP also says? It says '"poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". I removed the contentious claim because it is poorly sourced, with one reference contradicting the other. It has now been restored by a user who wonders if I am a banned user called petersantos. I am not. I simply want to make wiki more encyclopedic, but the two users who restored the information, User:Conrad940 and User:Shannon Rose clearly want POV retained, to the detriment of Wikipedia. Shame on you both.
Also, I removed the claim that "Soriano is popular for criticizing various other religious groups...." Read that again. And again. The leader of a minority group is popular for criticizing other religious groups? Pigs might fly. I also did a brief general edit which improved the aticle. Naturally enough, it was deleted by the pov pushers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.164.160 ( talk) 01:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to this article needs to be a summary of the entire article. As it is right now, it doesn't give the gist of why he's controversial, which tips it as positive POV. As with many articles I come around this project, the first sentence should always be name, birth date and place, and occupation. Deviating from that for any reason can be grounds of pushing a certain point of view. Since "fugitive" is not an occupation, I removed it and I might add a sentence as to why he is. Also there should be sources on the intro as well. -- wL< speak· check> 10:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems that friends of Soriano are editing again. I am not going to revert them on the spot as they are making points that would be valid if they were proven:
The first point is very important if it is true but the huge chunk of verbiage added lacks any references except one which is transparently irrelevant [2]. Does anybody have references for it? If it is true that he has been acquitted then we have to rewrite the article significantly to reduce coverage of the matter and make it clear that the charge ended in acquittal. If it is not true then we need to revert the whole lot.
The second point is arguable. The Interpol web site does say that "An Interpol Red Notice is not an international arrest warrant." [3] however it is clearly something quite similar. The purpose of a red notice is described as "To seek the arrest or provisional arrest of wanted persons with a view to extradition" [4]. We should modify the article to reflect this distinction however there is no justification for removing the phrase "international fugitive" (unless the case really has been dropped) as Interpol lists the red notices under the category of "Fugitives" and the service handling them is called "Fugitive investigative services" [5].
So, we need facts! This article is not meant to be pro or anti Soriano. If somebody can dig up the true and up-to-date facts of the matter we can make sure that the article does not overstate or underplay the significance of these events. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 15:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I am removing this section due to a lack of verifiable 3rd party sources. www.eliseosoriano.com is hardly a reliable source is it? Prior to restoration or reversion please consult WP:PROVEIT WP:BURDEN and WP:SOURCES. - 4twenty42o ( talk) 05:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
The stuff just got reinserted again and so I took another look at it before removing it again.
Key points:
My view is that there is no justification for a whole section on these awards as they are not very significant in themselves. The real question is whether they tell us anything. A sentence or two on them in the Ang Dating Daan article is justified. I am not convinced that they belong here but they could be mentioned, very briefly, as a way of indicating the high esteem in which Soriano was held, via his organisations, prior to his legal troubles. Perhaps more interesting are the results of the 2008 awards [8] which show ongoing support despite the legal troubles. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 18:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
The content was reinserted with the comment "Winners of American Idol are voted by SMS too. Non-notable?". I think that deserves an answer. The answer is that American Idol is a massive media event that would make its winners notable even if they were picked by a spinning a bottle. The web awards are not in this category. They do get a little media attention but they don't count for much in the grand scheme of things. I am not 100% against them being mentioned in the article, if it serves some genuine encyclopaedic purpose, but spamming the article with a load of YouTube videos is unacceptable. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 23:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
As the person repeatedly reinserting these spam links is not engaging in discussion, I have no choice but to start reverting them as vandalism and handing out warnings. Its a pity but that's how it goes. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 00:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I am watching too if you need a witness. - 4twenty42o ( talk) 00:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Although the Manila Times no longer supports the article i found a link on way back. Can that be used as a ref?? http://web.archive.org/web/20071217182209/http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/oct/06/yehey/metro/20071006met1.html - 4twenty42o ( talk) 07:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
There are a couple of changes I think should be made, that I believe will make this a more accurate article. First I found a link to the story on the libel case. http://web.archive.org/web/20071217182209/http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/oct/06/yehey/metro/20071006met1.html I can find nothing to suggest that any part of the story was fabricated or retracted. Secondly the awards and recognition section needs to be removed completely. The references are youtube videos and the awards actually go to the "church" not the man. Does anyone have any objections? Opinions? Or concerns about these changes? - 4twenty42o ( talk) 06:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Please know that users 1K Years, The Editor's Pen, and 124.217.31.65 have been positively identified as none other than perma-blocked Eliseo Soriano follower Felix Natalo. This is history repeating itself, dear friends. Do you still remember our experience with perma-blocked Petersantos and Dar book? Fellow editors, let us be aware of the strategies of this group and remain vigilant in guarding the integrity of this article! – Shannon Rose Talk 15:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Both articles have descriptions concerning Soriano's 'international fugitive' status. This claim uses a link to a local tabloid paper and a notice at the Interpol website, which the former refers to.
However, there is no such notice in the Interpol website about Eli Soriano. In the Interpol's Red Notice list, there is no Soriano that refers to the preacher, nor is he present in the list of suspects from the Philippines when searching the Interpol database.
I request concerned editors to please rectify Soriano's 'international fugitive' claim by providing reliable sources which are not the two already provided as the source from the Interpol doesn't exist, or remove the line altogether for being a BLP violation. -- 112.203.97.53 ( talk) 06:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Claiming somebody as a fugitive when he's no longer listed in the interpol fugitive website violates BLP. This should reflect in the article that Soriano was previously listed as fugitive but it is no longer the case. You can't use a web archive as a source because it doesn't reflect the current status quo. The Portuguese article states Soriano is in Brazil now and has tv and radio programs in that country and it should reflect in the English article also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.63.105.66 ( talk) 21:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I've done some research about this [person] edited for BLP concerns - BLP applies to talk page comments as well and I've found some rumors that he is currently in Brazil. Using Google's search engine this suggestion appears: Eli Soriano Brazil. We need valid references to back this claims. If ever a valid RS is found, I believe that info be placed in the article. IronBreww ( talk) 09:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
To summarize here are the issues of the article.
My Reaction: ANYONE CAN FILE CHARGES AGAINST A CONTROVERSIAL PREACHER...If I file a case against John Doe and he does not attend the court hearing. Is he now considered a fugitive and that part should be placed in Wikipedia? Think about it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.64.72 ( talk) 03:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I've increased the coverage of the article and added more references. Now, there are 25 references about the article. The lead section was recently neutralized by another established user and I will not disagree (for now) since the editor's reason is valid. There are still more references, but they might be unnotable to mention. IronBreww ( chat) 07:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} Remove Filipino of Spanish descent. You need to have a source.
68.125.216.237 ( talk) 13:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Done
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There are conflicting reports on the date of Soriano's date, understandably due to a difference of timezone in Brazil. Most WP:RS at the moment reports he died on February 12, "early Friday morning" (February 12) which contradicts with the UNTV source that his church confirmed his death on Feb 11 and some source are careful to just say that the announcement of his death, but not the date of his death itself. Also it does not help that sources so far don't mention any time reference to their dates if its local time ( Brazil) or Philippine time. So I suggest deferring from placing a date of death on the infobox, or anywhere else in the article as reliable sources presumably gather more info on the circumstances of his death. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 09:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
The host of the longest-running religious program in the Philippines, “Ang Dating Daan,” died on Thursday at the age of 73 and people from all walks of life paid tribute to remember his evangelical works and services to the public.
Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 00:07, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
Should I create a separate page for the week event, The Legacy Continues and MCGI Free Store (since this started the whole community pantry thing in the Philippines), I found that other MCGI Events have separate pages so I think It would be necessary to have the The Legacy Continues and MCGI Free Store separate pages. Or if not, Expand the "Legacy Category" of this article.