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Please don't quote Access Hollywood when they quote anonymous sources. If they quote a direct statement attributed to a named source, it's fine, but anonymous statements are strictly gossip and just because it's in print doesn't make it an acceptable source.-- Bamadude 01:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please add this and also correct Morning After Pill" information as it is scientifically incorrect !! Or do the right still run this site ? Dated: 2007-05-23 Did Rosie Call Our Troops Terrorists?
++The is directly from the transcripts of The View for May 17th:
O’DONNELL: …… I just want to say something. 655,000 Iraqi civilians are dead. Who are the terrorists?
HASSELBECK: Who are the terrorists?
O’DONNELL: 655,000 Iraqis — I’m saying you have to look, we invaded –
HASSELBECK: Wait, who are you calling terrorists now? Americans?
O’DONNELL: I’m saying if you were in Iraq, and the other country, the United States, the richest in the world, invaded your country and killed 655,000 of your citizens, what would you call us?
HASSELBECK: Are we killing their citizens or are their people also killing their citizens?
O’DONNELL: We’re invading a sovereign nation, occupying a country against the U.N.
I just watched Chris Matthews and his panel of journalists including Howard Feinman, Jill Zuckman, and Jonathan Capehart. Matthews asked the panel after replaying that segment of the show if she in fact said that our troops were the terrorists. They unanimously agreed with Matthews that she did call our troops terrorists. That conforms with the majority of journalists who have reported on this comment.
Rosie does not mention the troops at all in that segment of the show. She poses a rhetorical question. “Who are the terrorists?” “I’m saying if you were in Iraq, and the other country, the United States, the richest in the world, invaded your country and killed 655,000 of your citizens, what would you call us?”In both of her rhetorical questions she refers to the “United States” and “us.” The policy of the United States or “our” policy in Iraq is not the responsibility of the soldiers who are ordered to execute the policy. It is obvious that state supported terrorism can only be implemented by those who have the responsibility of doing the fighting and dying. But, it is not the soldiers who are the terrorists in that hypothetical. And she was not calling the soldiers terrorists.
It is absolutely absurd that these journalists agreed with the interpretation that Matthews and the majority of the MSM had concluded.These journalists who are supposed to be experts on language and communication certainly know that she meant that the U.S. policy was the villain here and not the soldiers. Yet they persist in accusing the accusers who do not fit into their elite club. People like Rosie and others who have been branded as eccentric and outside the main stream are always fair game. They do it with many others who speak truth to power by carefully portraying sound bites out of context. They have done that to Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal for years.
The truth is that it was the elite reporters like the Hardball panel aforementioned who aided and abetted the rush to war in Iraq and fostered the terrorist policy that has resulted in this catastrophe. So it is not Rosie who is the villain. It is journalists like these who have to rationalize their lack of courage and appropriate skepticism of a “policy” that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
I'm new, so I won't edit the page directly, but the fact added for 2006-08-02 regarding the "Morning After Pill" is scientifically incorrect: the morning-after pill does not provoke an abortion, it prevents pregnancy in the first place. The Wikipedia page on [Morning-after_pill] at least discusses the supposed "controversy," although the overwhelming scientific consensus is that this is a contraceptive, not an abortion. This page is at least misleading, and likely wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benadida ( talk • contribs)
Sorry for my confusion on where to post this, but does a detailed description of an argument really belong in an "article" about a person?
THE 05/23/07 ELIZABETH / ROSIE DISAGREEMENT SHOW This sentence in the Wikipedia entry is inaccurate:
This is not true. Elizabeth did not give her personal opinion about Rosie. She did not say whether or not she believes that Rosie thinks the troops are terrorists. Instead, she insisted that O'Donnell must clarify her position.
Also, many viewers felt that Rosie O'Donnell was asking a rhetorical question in order to spur people to think about the loss of civilian life on both sides. She was trying to make the point that the loss of Iraqi civilian life is immoral. She has stated repeatedly on the show that she supports the troops and feels the Bush Administration is responsible for the mistakes in Iraq.
These sentences: Hasselbeck's views are typical for those in her "Alex P. Keaton" generation, who are more conservative than their parents. However, she is unpopular with many critics for all of her opinions on gay rights, and the GLBT community considers her a homophobe[citation needed]. Furthermore, she is considered too extreme in her political views for many women who watch the show.[citation needed]
Have nothing to do with any episode and are not NPOV, especially without citations. I have removed them. Matt T. 69.254.107.214 17:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
A comic's take on her should not be view as logical criticism. Barney Gumble 18:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The quote "On March 24, 2008, Hasselbeck called Rev. Jeremiah Wright a racist and equated him to serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer." is an opinion of the writer. The link provided by said writer shows that she made an analogy. All other interpretation is left up to the viewer. By using "equated him to serial killer" shows bias in favor of the author's opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.69.246 ( talk) 00:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
"She is the perfect example of a blonde, affluent woman of limited talent who has used her family position and looks to advance her career. It is painfully apparent to all who watch "The View" that she does not have the same pedigree as her co-stars."
I totally agree she is also a total BITCH and many people dont watch the view because of her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.97.140.122 ( talk) 22:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't sound very neutral to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.81.185.94 ( talk) 19:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Was she a television presenter before appearing on Survivor? No dates are given for her appearance on Survivor. The ordering of the article makes it seem as if she was. If she only became a presenter after appearing on Survivor the order of the article should reflect the chronology of her career. Would someone more familiar with this women please make it the article entirely unambiguous? -- Horkana 19:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Her appearance on Survivor was from January to May of 2001. Twineball 15:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This 'celebrity' has admitted that she changes her own biographical details on Wikipedia, and she has encouraged others to do so while on air. She definitely doesn't look 29 - I would guess at least 36.
She did not say she does it. She just stated you could change your information if you want too.
On May 23, 2007, Hasselbeck and O'Donnell became engaged in a heated on-air exchange over the Iraq War. During the argument, O'Donnell unbelievably referred to former president Jimmy Carter as "Christ-like", and to Hasselbeck as "cowardly".
Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic, Jew hating Nazi who supports the terrorist PLO. How is that Christ-like? Carter supports Venezuelan Communist dictator Hugo Chavez. How is that Christ-like? 69.181.156.67 06:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Jimmy Carter supports the murder of the unborn, contrary to the sixth commandment. How is that Christ-like? Jesus said to obey the Ten Commandments. 69.181.156.67 18:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
The word "unbelievably" makes the statement opinion. The rest is fact. She did actually say those things but that word should be removed.
The section concerning her recent tiff with Rosie needs some serious work. Someone is putting words in her mouth. I erased them but somebody insisted on putting them back. Seems to me somebody is intent on making her look good. — NRen2k5 01:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Since Barbara announced Elisabeth will be back next year with Joy today...shall we take off the area that says "Rumors she will be leaving The View?" Small5th 18:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Even though she claims she's returning to the show on January 6, 2008, I predict she won't be back. She'll use the excuse that with her husband on the road so much, caring for a newborn and a toddler by herself is too much. Guests hosts never appear when four regulars are sitting on the panel, but on November 12 a conservative Republican sat in as guest host even though everyone except Elisabeth was there. I'm sure they were auditioning her as a possible replacement, and I'm sure there will be more in the weeks ahead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.22.164 ( talk) 13:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia say May 28, 1975, and that she is 31 (no source) IMDB says May 28, 1977 ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0276829/ )
Does anyone have quotes from Elisabeth herself? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.116.206 ( talk) 04:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC).
C'mon, did she really say life begins at the moment of "penetration" or is this just vandalism...Something that ridiculous needs a reference Freakdog 00:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
...Sherri Shepherd made several attempts to stop the argument, with Shepherd at one point asking Elisabeth if her unborn child was "okay," apparently fearing the heated argument would hurt the baby's and mother's health.
We don't know Ms. Shepherd's motivation, so speculating on the meaning of "apparently fearing the heated argument would hurt the baby's and mother's health" is specious in nature.
Gpole 15:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)gpole 052607
it was quoted directly from a news article...i read somewhere else Small5th 21:08, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Many people have messaged me of certain sections of the article that has been deleted recently, which I have reinstated and then it has been deleted again. I would like to hear opinions on the sections deleted.
(1) The section of the Abu-Gharib incident, where Elisabeth was talking about the video and then Rosie O'Donnell cut her off (2) The section of Elisabeth attending the white-tie event for the President which was notable as "The View" spent an entire section discussing and it was an honor few people were invited to (3) The section where Joy Behar and Sherri Shephered attempted to intervene in the argument of May 23 (4) The section where Alicia Silverstone ignored Elisabeth when introduced.
I feel if the section where Alicia Silverstone was deleted, the section of Donald Trump should be as well. Both are of similar reasoning, and there is no reason why Donald Trump should be included and not Alicia Silverstone. All the sections that were deleted were cited, and had facts, and I (as well as other users) feel that by deleting these sections cast Elisabeth by a negative light, and thus makes the article biased. If we could hear input from non partisan people. Thank you Small5th
I have discussed it with the other party and they feel it is alright to reinstate those sections
Request: Could someone please add a photo? Thanks!
if Ms. Hasselbeck is a Roman Catholic, as her biography indicates, is it acccurate to say she is also a creationist? If so, that is a very rare stance among Roman Catholics. Has she converted to a more fundamentalist form of Protestantism? Can anyone back up the claim that she herself is a creationist?
"Critics (and those with common sense) argued she was simply overreacting and was being too self-absorbed." The insertion of "(and those with common sense)" does not appear impartial.
Also, referring to Ms. Hasselbeck as a "conservative" voice on The View is not impartial if not juxtaposed to referring to the other co-hosts as "liberal". Otherwise, it's implied that Ms. Hasselbeck is conservative and the other co-hosts are middle-of-the-road.
there is no information as to when she joined the cast or basic information as to her role on the show - it jumps in with the stalker contraversy. I'd add the information myself but I don't know it.-- Lepeu1999 17:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there a picture out there somewhere that can be included? Lowellt 04:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Incidents on the view are not encyclopedic and do not belong in this or any article. Bytebear 05:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Is this a press release? Where are the controversies she has been involved in like comparing gay relationships to toasters, the morning after pill or her fight with Rosie O'Donnell? http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/229829/elisabeth_hasselbeck_pregnant_with.html
It is being widely reported that Elisabeth's husband Tim Haselbeck is having an extra-marital affair with actress Kate Hudson. Sources include showbizspy.com. Why is this update to Elisbeth's profile being deleted by the editors ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.134.41 ( talk) 11:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The header of the article says it is protected against anonymous edits, but it is being edited anonymously. Why is the header on this page if it isn't actually protected? Note to new editors: Putting the warning up does nothing to the protection of the page. An administrator has to actually put a protection on the page. The warning is just a display element and means nothing. Bytebear 21:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Elisabeth is listed as an American Roman Catholic, but in a cited article, she specifically names New England Chapel as one she attends in Massachusetss. New England Chapel is a Dutch Reformed Church, certainly not Catholic. Also, on one episode of The View, she stated that she had been brought up Catholic, implying it was in the past and that she currently was no longer Catholic.
There was no mention of her fight with Rosie so I decided to post a section. I know someone will try to take it down so I'll post it here as well. It's only fair since this section is posted on Rosie's article and Elisabeth started the fight. Brianga I will be posting this again if you take it down. There is no reason why there is no mention of this argument on this page while there is on Rosie's.
On the May 23, 2007, episode of The View, O'Donnell became engaged in a heated debate with co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck.[86] O'Donnell asserted that Hasselbeck was "cowardly" for not answering whether she believed O'Donnell thinks of American troops as terrorists (in reference to O'Donnell's comment earlier in the week in which she said 655,000 Iraqis have died since the United States invasion and asked "who are the terrorists"). O'Donnell also complained of how the media would portray her as a bully attacking "innocent pure Christian Elisabeth" whenever they disagreed on air. O'Donnell stated that she believed Republican pundits were misinterpreting her statements by accusing her of comparing American troops to terrorists, and had asked Hasselbeck if she agreed with the Republican pundits. Hasselbeck denied O'Donnell's accusation, claiming that she knew Rosie didn't think that US soldiers were "terrorists" but told O'Donnell that she needed to "defend herself" as it was not her place to defend controversial statements made by O'Donnell.
The debate became even more heated as co-hosts Joy Behar and Sherri Shepherd made several attempts to stop the argument, including trying to change the discussion to topics like the results of Dancing With the Stars. When the feud continued past the five minute mark, Shepherd ventured to cut to commercial break promising Alicia Silverstone when the show returned. O'Donnell silenced the effort by saying "No, no, no we're not. No because we have a lot more time." Minutes later Behar endeavored again to end the argument by interjecting "Is there no commercial on this show? What are we on, PBS? Who is directing this show? Let's go to commercial!" Shepherd responded by asking Hasselbeck if her unborn child was "okay" after the heated argument, fearing for both the mother and child's health. The show did in fact cut to commercials shortly afterwards, and the subject was not resumed.
O'Donnell and ABC agreed to cut short her contract agreement on May 25, 2007 as a result of this issue.[87]
In a press statement released May 25, 2007, Rosie O'Donnell bore no ill will towards Hasselbeck and says that she "loves all three women". However, in her blog, Ms. O'Donnell stated she has not talked to Ms. Hasselbeck and that she was in shock and "stunned" that Ms. Hasselbeck had brought up Trump. She later posted a video on her blog discussing her future relationship with Ms. Hasselback. In a subsequent blog posting, O'Donnell stated that "I haven't spoken to Elisabeth, and I probably ever won't".[88] She also attempted to restate the controversial comment that had caused the feud with Hasselback saying, "the cowards who sent r [our] troops to this war . . . those men r [are] the terrorists."[89] According to ABC News, O'Donnell said that she knew her time on the show was over when she saw the exchange reported in the newsmedia with the split screen effect showing her and Hasselbeck on either side. ABC News also reported that her arguments with Hasselbeck brought the show its best ratings ever.[90]
In previous versions of the 'article' on Elisabeth Hasselbeck it has been highlighted that her husband is Tim Hasselbeck and that he was a NFL quarterback. Now that Tim Hasselbeck has been summarily fired from the New York Giants (a referenceable fact - go to www.giants.com) you cannot dismiss this as a relevant fact. If you do so, this proves Wiki is only interested in positive promotion of celebrities - influenced by their PR hacks - and not in the truth - as embarassing as it may be for the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.146.133 ( talk) 00:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
This statement According to fireelisabethhasselbeck.com, more than 25,000 petitions have been forwarded to Barbara Walters to ask her and ABC to fire Hasselbeck from The View as of October, 2007. Seems blatant POV-pushing and may violate WP:BIO. Online petitions are quite common and for wikipedia to give this undue weight seems in error. I'm not a regular editor on this article so I'll leave it to those more familiar to either balance it, cite it with reliable sources or get rid of it. We're an encyclopedia not a tabloid. Benjiboi 08:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
"O'Donnell complained about Hasselbeck's unwillingness to morestrongly defend O'Donnell's statement following the media attention after her comment."-- Filll ( talk) 22:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Today Elisabeth disussed Obama's minister, causing controversy.
I don't think the explanation of Goldberg's argument is necessary. It's clearly there to make her look right, and is not neutral. 156.110.35.146 ( talk) 20:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Arthur Smart is repeately removing material explaining why Elisabeth was right in relation to her debate with Whoopi about black men having the right to vote before women. He says it's POV and that it's debateable. Obviously, there is no debate about when the ammendments were passed and what they were about. Whether or not Jim Crow laws were present in the South, technically, the ammendments covered the entire country. It appears to be an attempt to make Elisabeth look wrong by removing facts. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 03:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I am againt the current version in the Eh controversy section(bullet 5).
1st, put the showdate in as dates r in the previous 4 bullets. It was on 21 Jan.
2nd, the punctuation is wrong as it ends with a comma not a period.
3rd, the previous version explained in detail. AfrAm were denied the vote with various taxes,laws, intimidation,etc and this needs to be mentioned\kept. It isnt 2 make EH look bad(she does this herself) it is 2 explain that ladies on paper AfrAm men could vote but it wasnt until 100yrs later that AfrAm men actually did freely.
. . . The previous 4 bullets have detailed explainations so y not explain bullet 5?
70.108.122.159 (
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21:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and took a stab at some neutral wording. Sorry for not posting it here first (I did read the talk first, but missed that section.) I tried to as succinctly as possible present both views (which I consider equally valid) and here's the text I added: "The historical question is controversial. The first African American to vote under the 15th Amendment was Thomas Mundy Peterson in 1870 while the first woman to vote under the 19th was Marie Ruoff Byrum in 1920. On the other hand, some women were able to vote in various states long before either the 19th amendment or the 15th amendment and, due to Jim Crow laws, the 15th amendment did not effectively grant suffrage to African Americans on a national scale the way the 19th amendment did for women." I think it's worth adding (I was curious when I read the version) and I believe this version shows the strength of both positions. -- theStorminMormon
The first woman to vote in the United States was Louisa Ann Swain on September 6, 1870 in Laramie, Wyoming. Because women in New Jersey had the right to vote from 1776-1807, and there were no records kept of what time each voted in the first election there, the name of the first woman in the United States to vote (after independence) is likely lost in the mists of history. Their right was rescinded in 1807. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mthomin1 ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is her political affiliation added to the infobox? The other VIEW hosts do not have their party affiliation mentioned in their infoboxes. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 16:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Why aren't the FACTS from the recent poll (results published on ABC (network for The View), and varoius other publications - more than 1 million persons voted Elisabeth Hassellbeck as #1 WORST female talk show host on all of television. and #1 MOST ANNOYING. These are facts, reported by major news organisations. Why can't these be added to the subject's Wiki profile ? The locking and editing of this profile seems to confirm EXTREME BIAS in editing out negatives associated with this person's profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.149.205 ( talk) 03:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The agenda is so clear. A user adds the March 24 controversy w/o citing why Elisabeth said that. I added it. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 16:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You just violated WP:3RR. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 17:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The section is controversies & most of them r bc of things EH said w bad support( 4 ex she compared Rev Wright to mass muderer\human eater Jeffrey Dahmer: http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=b84dea1b-5be2-4cd6-a1fb-22d858de2390 ). I dont think its POV or NPOV. IT belongs in bc of the rXns of her cohosts & other media (ppl mag,huff post, etc) that comment on dayime US tv. 70.108.122.159 ( talk) 21:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Stanley011 and I have made significant changes regarding the 24-Mar-2008 controversy. The bullet item is much longer than I would have liked, but hopefully, the extended quotations will meet NPOV standards. If you disagree, and think this or any other item is non-neutral, then please advise. Thanks. -- Art Smart ( talk) 23:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
To further this discussion, let's start with what we both agree about. We both agree that Hasselbeck called Wright a racist. There is no question about that. What we disagree about is whether that is why the issue is controversial. I maintain that if that part of her comment is to be noted as the reason why the episode is controversial, then a source to that effect must be provided. Otherwise, it is a POV interpretation and that has no place on wikipedia. Stanley011 ( talk) 16:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I say Hasselbeck was controversial during the 24-Mar-2008 episode for two reasons:
- She called Rev. Wright a racist.
- Using Whoopi's verb, Hasselbeck equated Wright to Jeffrey Dahmer.
The two statements were controversial, both jointly and severally. Each is controversial enough to warrant a bullet entry in its own right. However, doing so would look silly, so I favor having both controversies documented in the same bullet entry, especially since they both were part of the same conversation. -- Art Smart ( talk) 16:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, let's first stop any edit warring that's going on in the article and discuss any changes here first. Second, we do not place fact tags on unsourced, contentious content in a WP:BLP, instead we immediately and aggressively remove it. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons. The same goes for content in an article or on a talk page, so be cautious as to what is posted even here in this discussion. Third, in order to say that something is controversial, it must be sourced, otherwise it is original research. Who is saying something is controversial? It cannot be us, it has to be sourced. Dreadstar † 18:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Dreadstart, please explain how my source does not support the claim that I made. Also, please note that leaving it as is: "equated Wright with Dahmer" is intellectually dishonest at best, and libelous at worst. Read through the transcript. Stanley011 ( talk) 18:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Dreadstar, you have not answered either of my objections above as of yet. Please provide an explanation as to why you are choosing to include the Behar quote under the controversy. If you have found a source that describes Hasselbeck's use of the word "racist" as controversial, or criticizes it in any way, I would ask you to provide that source Stanley011 ( talk) 02:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC). Here is a source that describes her comment as "odd": can that be included in the article now? [1] Stanley011 ( talk) 14:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Pls correct [17] with this better link : http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=b84dea1b-5be2-4cd6-a1fb-22d858de2390. The current abc.com isnt a direct link and they only keep up video for 1 week anyways. Thx 70.108.122.159 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The statistical information under her spot for a picture lists her as a republican. However, in a specific quote "Hasselbeck has said that she calls herself neither a conservative nor a liberal. Her parents had an independent political stance, never telling their children for whom they voted. She has stated that the term "conservative" does not define her as a person.[9]" under the header "Personal Life", reference at "All stated on Hasselbeck's April 12,2007 appearance as a guest on Fox's Hannity and Colmes". Is she in fact a republican, or is this just inferred? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Einsfahrt ( talk • contribs) 05:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
AOL reports that "Talk show hosts have strong opinions -- and so, apparently, do you. We polled our users on monologues, fashion sense, even a hypothetical 'View' smackdown ... and 1.3 million votes later, we wound up with results so surprising, they'd leave even Whoopi speechless." Click the "Next" button nine times until you get to page "10 of 19":
9. Who's the worst interviewer?
- 35% E. Hasselbeck
- 25% Tyra Banks
- 23% Dr. Phil
- 11% Larry King
- 7% Meredith Vieira
This Google News search yields five news articles that picked up the story.
Since the article is protected, are there any admins willing to add the above item to the article? Thanks. -- Art Smart ( talk) 13:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Why haven't the results of this survey been added to Hasselbeck's profile ?? Presidential race polls include far less persons (1.3 million) yet the editors of Wiki are so biased in maintaining the profile of Elisabeth Hasselbeck that they refuse to post these FACTS ?? Worst interviewer on television, 1.3 million persons in national poll
I have proposed a different wording for this section. I was wondering what the various editors think of it: "In 2008, AOL conducted a poll to ascertain public opinion towards various American talk show hosts. In question nine "Who is the worst interviewer?" the choices offered were Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Tyra Banks, Dr. Phil, Larry King and Meredith Vieira. 35% of the repsondents, a plurality, chose Hasselbeck. Referencing the poll, the Daily News reported that Hasselbeck is "considered the worst interviewer on television [1] [2]"
I think the statement "voted the worst interviewer on television" does not provide the full context of the survey, which the new version provides. I would like input before adding it. Many thanks Stanley011 ( talk) 21:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC).
The source that I would like to add is the following, which shows the results of the poll: (go to question 9): http://television.aol.com/feature/talk-show-hosts-poll Stanley011 ( talk) 21:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please add the following below the categories:
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Thanks! Kelly hi! 15:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
When this page is unprotected, could someone please change Category:People from Providence, Rhode Island to Category:People from Cranston, Rhode Island. Thanks! -- Shunpiker ( talk) 18:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Hasselback is not a politician, therefore why is it relevant to state her political party in her info box? None of the other View hosts have these labeling in their info boxes. Mdriver1981 ( talk) 04:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
THIS IS THE LATEST UP-TO-DATE AND VERIFIABLE STATUS ON ELISABETH HASSELBECK'S HUSBANDS EMPLOYMENT STATUS: In April 2008, Tim Hasselbeck's contract with the Arizona Cardinals expired and was not renewed. He is no longer appears on the team roster (see www.azcardinals.com) and was made an unrestricted free agent. As of the July 22, 2008 NFL deadline no team has signed Tim Hasselbeck and he was released by the Cardinals and is now effectively unemployed and no longer a professional football player in the National Football League (NFL) and should only be referred to as a former NFL quarterback and former NFL player. [source: nfl.com/freeagents] THESE ARE REFERENCEABLE FACTS: WHY ARE THESE FACTS BEING DELETED AND CALLED VANDALISM. THESE FACTS ARE IMPORANT, ARE ACCURATE AND MOST CERTAINLY ADD TO THIS WIKI PROFILE. SOURCES TO VALIDATE THESE FAACTS ARE NOTED (WWW.AZCARDINALS.COM) SHOWS TIM HASSELBECK IS NOT LISTED IN THE CURRENT TEAM AND IS ONLY LISTED IN THE ALUMNI INDEX. OFFICIAL NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE STATS (WWW.NFL.COM) SHOW THAT TIM HASSELBECK IS AN UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT AND DOES NOT HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ANY TEAM FOR THE 2008 SEASON. ANY REFERENCE TO MS. HASSELBECK'S MARRIAGE SHOULD SAY SHE IS MARRIED TO "FORMER NFL PLAYER TIM HASSELBECK". IT IS ALSO FAIR TO NOTE ON ALL THE DATA, STATISTICS AND EVIDENCE THAT TIM HASSELBECK HAD A VERY UNDISTINGUISHED CAREER, WAS NEVER A STARTING QUARTERBACK AND IN MANY SEASONS DIDN'T SEE ANY GAME TIME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.7.14 ( talk) 16:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The wiki profile for Elisabeth Hasselbeck stil claims that her husband is an NFL Quaterback playing for the Arizona Cardinals. Both points are incorrect and misleading. I've checked with the Arizona Cardinals and can confirm that at the end of the 2007 season Tim Hasselbeck was let go froom the team's roster and made an "unrestricted free agent". Which means he can be pick up by any team without any payment to Arizona Cardinals. There was a deadline of June 1 2008 for either Arizona to make him an offer or another team to make him an offer. He did not receive an offer from Arizona nor any other team. He remains an unresricted free agent which means he is no longer employed by Arizona, he is no longer a player in the NFL and any claim that he is an "NFL Quarterback" is patently incorrect and misleading. Source: Arizona Cardinals
Further, I think it is important to have actual data and facts to support the current assessment of Tim Hasselbeck's career. The current Wiki profile says his career is "undistinguished". This is not accurate. The fact is that according to detailed statistics compiled and publisehd by Sportsline and the NFL (NFL Stats) in 2007 Tim Hasselbeck was ranked #116 of a total of 117 quarterbacks in the NFL. This suggests that Tim Hasselbeck's career was a dismal failure not merely "undistinguished".
As Elisabeth Hasselbeck continues to make many references to her husband being an NFL quarterback and approved having this reference in her profile up until now, it is only just that the profile is modified to reflect the truth about her husband's career and status in the NFL (no longer in the NFL). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.107.66 ( talk) 06:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Why have the edits to CORRECT the information about Elisabeth's husband TIM HASSELBECK been deleted? The fact is that he is NOT currently an NFL player. He has been cut by Arizona. Further, he does NOT have a contract with FOX Sports. He is unemployed. Has not played an NFL game since 2003. Elisabeth continues to talk about her husband being an "NFL Quarterback" as recently as June 18, 2008 when appearing on Hannity & Colmes. This is false, a lie and should not be allowed to be perpetued on Wiki. I thought Wiki was about being accurate and truthful, not a PR outlet for D-list celebrities? —Preceding
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i dont know how to add tags like the NPOV one, but i find everything about the "controversies" part of this artical to be biased and POV Macenblu ( talk) 17:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I have put up a POV and factual accuracy tag due to the many problems that this article has. Many of the citations and references are from obscure sources, with at least one being from PerezHilton.com. The article needs thorough cleanup. -- AJ24 ( talk) 16:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Should this particular incident be added to the "Controversies" section? It did recieve news coverage, but I can't say myself whether it merits being included in the article. I was just wondering because the debate does raise the question of whether or not there is a double standard in the US when it comes to racial slurs.
ABC News’ Rick Klein Reports: The McCain-Palin campaign’s efforts to reach women is about to get a celebrity boost: Elisabeth Hasselbeck is set to join Gov. Sarah Palin on the campaign trail. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/hasselbeck-to-c.html Reporterage ( talk) 18:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've seen a lot of refrences on the Internet about Elizabeth's possible departure to Fox News. Is this just an unsubstantiated rumor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.190.173 ( talk) 21:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
"On October 26, 2008, Hasselbeck introduced Sarah Palin, saying criticism of her $150,000 clothing budget were blatantly sexist."
I think there are getting to be too many major revisions without discussion first (myself included). I believe that 'Survivor' should be under 'Career,' since that did launch her televsion career. Also, "stints" isn't exactly encyclopedic. OwenSaunders ( talk) 02:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
With the recent deletion by TheRedPenOfDoom of the explaination of who got voting rights first (African-Americans or women), the way this entry is now it could easily be misread that Goldberg corrected Hasselbeck, and that woman got voting righs first, which is at least technically incorrect. Goldberg subsequently corrected herself later in the episode or the next day, but I can't easily find a written source for this. And since this incident really was not a controversy, just an interesting discussion about political history, I've removed the incident entirely. OwenSaunders ( talk) 01:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
OwenSaunders, above you state that you removed the incident entirely. But I see that it is still there. Do you mean you would have removed it entirely if you were TheRedPenOfDoom? Flyer22 ( talk) 07:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
The more that I look at this section, the more I think it should be pared down. For instance, the statement about Cindy McCain: What exactly is the controversy? There has to be some counterpoint stated (at the very least) for it to be controversial. Yes, it was a jab at Michelle Obama but that's not evident here, and does it really belong in the bio? At this point, the most relevant controversy was the one with O'Donnel, partly notable because O'Donnel left The View early because of it (which isn't even in stated in this article). Thoughts? OwenSaunders ( talk) 01:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Announced just now, live on 'The View' (01/29/2009).
Macshill ( talk) 16:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
You people are quick! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macshill ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
This "material" is under the View sub section? There has to be a better section for that if it is even notable? Any takers? TIA -- Tom 13:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I have copy edited this material. Any reason to add specific details about births, husband, or brother-n-law? Maybe add birth years, but that should more than sufice since they are not notable in their own right. Thank you, Tom 14:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Plastic: I cited Pitt as an example. If u want EH considered individually, WHY NOT include the info? EH told the media about world about each of her pregnancies; about each of the labours; about each of her kids bday parties, etc. She isnt hiding the info so why cant it be here?
2nd: Including their names/DOB def doesnt fall under 'coatrack'. It is 1 line not a section.
RedPen: "not included by any mean"...again WHY? Eh is telling the world so y cant it be included?
70.108.119.213 (
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(1)WRONG! IDing what will happen bc of constant reverting of 1 another's edit is just that: IDing what constant reverting of edit is called: an edit war.
(2)Y dont u stop yelling?
70.108.119.213 (
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ip keeps reverting to version with multiple problems and unwilling or able to try to listen to others. Time to block and semi protect. Tom (talk) 00:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
We're back on the same argument. See 3 sections above this 1 (section 9).
Since when does wiki not allow birthdates?
Detailed info--weight & length @ birth;fav colour-- isnt given! Why is having the birthdates not allowed when their parents put the info out in press releases? The info was also publicised by
ABC,
Disney,
NFL, &
People (magazine); so it is all sourced. 04:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm asking bc it is polite. I did read them. Obviously YOU didnt. If you did read you 'd have seen Tom and spielchequers thoughts. 70.108.110.22 ( talk) 11:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
{{tl:HELPME| Y cant the kids names & birthdates be included? redpen,plastic, & I are disagreeing. Thanks.}} 70.108.119.213 ( talk) 17:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
{{tl:adminhelp| Y cant the kids names & birthdates be included? redpen,plastic, & I are disagreeing. Thanks.}} 70.108.119.213 ( talk) 17:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I think RedPen has already referred to WP:BLP, but the specific paragraph is:
Privacy of personal information
Wikipedia includes dates of birth for some well-known persons where the dates: (1)have been published in one or more reliable sources linked to the persons such that it may reasonably be inferred that the persons do not object to their release; or (2) have otherwise been widely published.
Caution should be exercised with less notable people. With identity theft on the rise, people increasingly regard their dates of birth as private. When in doubt about the notability of the subject, or if the subject complains about the publication of his or her date of birth, err on the side of caution and simply list the year of birth.
In a similar vein, Wikipedia articles should not include addresses, e-mail addresses, telephone numbers, or other contact information for living persons, though links to websites maintained by the subject are generally permitted.
So in the case of the children, year of birth should be OK if sourced. Hope that helps Ϣere SpielChequers 17:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Speil: (1)redpen & plastic didnt cite the reasons you say, they say bc of WP:COATRACK.
The name/DOBS have always been sourced as Elisabeth HERSELF announced their birth & names. Thanks Spiel. RIP
Jade Goody.
70.108.119.213 (
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I put it here and not within the article because I honestly don't know whether this sort of material on the Internet counts as a 'verifiable source' with respect to what it is about, or if it's simply 'a bunch of people mouthing off on the Net.'
In any event, 66% of 21 people submitting to www.hubdub.com, and 88% of eight people at rasmussenreports.predictify.com predict that Hasselbeck will be found (or shown to be) guilty of plagiarism. This should not be taken to mean that only 30 or fewer people are convinced that Hasselbeck is a plagiarist, since a Google search of the subject and reader comments shows that a substantial number of people believe that she is: that's simply the number of people who took time to make these predictions at the time of checking.
My point with regard to verifiability isn't the merits of the case itself, but its reflection of the degree to which Hasselbeck is so controversial that her guilt is assumed by many without question. (I suppose it would go under 'Controversies,' if it went anywhere at all.)
Isn't this material more appropriate for the show article rather than this bio? -- Threeafterthree ( talk) 05:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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Please don't quote Access Hollywood when they quote anonymous sources. If they quote a direct statement attributed to a named source, it's fine, but anonymous statements are strictly gossip and just because it's in print doesn't make it an acceptable source.-- Bamadude 01:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please add this and also correct Morning After Pill" information as it is scientifically incorrect !! Or do the right still run this site ? Dated: 2007-05-23 Did Rosie Call Our Troops Terrorists?
++The is directly from the transcripts of The View for May 17th:
O’DONNELL: …… I just want to say something. 655,000 Iraqi civilians are dead. Who are the terrorists?
HASSELBECK: Who are the terrorists?
O’DONNELL: 655,000 Iraqis — I’m saying you have to look, we invaded –
HASSELBECK: Wait, who are you calling terrorists now? Americans?
O’DONNELL: I’m saying if you were in Iraq, and the other country, the United States, the richest in the world, invaded your country and killed 655,000 of your citizens, what would you call us?
HASSELBECK: Are we killing their citizens or are their people also killing their citizens?
O’DONNELL: We’re invading a sovereign nation, occupying a country against the U.N.
I just watched Chris Matthews and his panel of journalists including Howard Feinman, Jill Zuckman, and Jonathan Capehart. Matthews asked the panel after replaying that segment of the show if she in fact said that our troops were the terrorists. They unanimously agreed with Matthews that she did call our troops terrorists. That conforms with the majority of journalists who have reported on this comment.
Rosie does not mention the troops at all in that segment of the show. She poses a rhetorical question. “Who are the terrorists?” “I’m saying if you were in Iraq, and the other country, the United States, the richest in the world, invaded your country and killed 655,000 of your citizens, what would you call us?”In both of her rhetorical questions she refers to the “United States” and “us.” The policy of the United States or “our” policy in Iraq is not the responsibility of the soldiers who are ordered to execute the policy. It is obvious that state supported terrorism can only be implemented by those who have the responsibility of doing the fighting and dying. But, it is not the soldiers who are the terrorists in that hypothetical. And she was not calling the soldiers terrorists.
It is absolutely absurd that these journalists agreed with the interpretation that Matthews and the majority of the MSM had concluded.These journalists who are supposed to be experts on language and communication certainly know that she meant that the U.S. policy was the villain here and not the soldiers. Yet they persist in accusing the accusers who do not fit into their elite club. People like Rosie and others who have been branded as eccentric and outside the main stream are always fair game. They do it with many others who speak truth to power by carefully portraying sound bites out of context. They have done that to Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal for years.
The truth is that it was the elite reporters like the Hardball panel aforementioned who aided and abetted the rush to war in Iraq and fostered the terrorist policy that has resulted in this catastrophe. So it is not Rosie who is the villain. It is journalists like these who have to rationalize their lack of courage and appropriate skepticism of a “policy” that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
I'm new, so I won't edit the page directly, but the fact added for 2006-08-02 regarding the "Morning After Pill" is scientifically incorrect: the morning-after pill does not provoke an abortion, it prevents pregnancy in the first place. The Wikipedia page on [Morning-after_pill] at least discusses the supposed "controversy," although the overwhelming scientific consensus is that this is a contraceptive, not an abortion. This page is at least misleading, and likely wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benadida ( talk • contribs)
Sorry for my confusion on where to post this, but does a detailed description of an argument really belong in an "article" about a person?
THE 05/23/07 ELIZABETH / ROSIE DISAGREEMENT SHOW This sentence in the Wikipedia entry is inaccurate:
This is not true. Elizabeth did not give her personal opinion about Rosie. She did not say whether or not she believes that Rosie thinks the troops are terrorists. Instead, she insisted that O'Donnell must clarify her position.
Also, many viewers felt that Rosie O'Donnell was asking a rhetorical question in order to spur people to think about the loss of civilian life on both sides. She was trying to make the point that the loss of Iraqi civilian life is immoral. She has stated repeatedly on the show that she supports the troops and feels the Bush Administration is responsible for the mistakes in Iraq.
These sentences: Hasselbeck's views are typical for those in her "Alex P. Keaton" generation, who are more conservative than their parents. However, she is unpopular with many critics for all of her opinions on gay rights, and the GLBT community considers her a homophobe[citation needed]. Furthermore, she is considered too extreme in her political views for many women who watch the show.[citation needed]
Have nothing to do with any episode and are not NPOV, especially without citations. I have removed them. Matt T. 69.254.107.214 17:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
A comic's take on her should not be view as logical criticism. Barney Gumble 18:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The quote "On March 24, 2008, Hasselbeck called Rev. Jeremiah Wright a racist and equated him to serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer." is an opinion of the writer. The link provided by said writer shows that she made an analogy. All other interpretation is left up to the viewer. By using "equated him to serial killer" shows bias in favor of the author's opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.69.246 ( talk) 00:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
"She is the perfect example of a blonde, affluent woman of limited talent who has used her family position and looks to advance her career. It is painfully apparent to all who watch "The View" that she does not have the same pedigree as her co-stars."
I totally agree she is also a total BITCH and many people dont watch the view because of her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.97.140.122 ( talk) 22:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't sound very neutral to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.81.185.94 ( talk) 19:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Was she a television presenter before appearing on Survivor? No dates are given for her appearance on Survivor. The ordering of the article makes it seem as if she was. If she only became a presenter after appearing on Survivor the order of the article should reflect the chronology of her career. Would someone more familiar with this women please make it the article entirely unambiguous? -- Horkana 19:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Her appearance on Survivor was from January to May of 2001. Twineball 15:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This 'celebrity' has admitted that she changes her own biographical details on Wikipedia, and she has encouraged others to do so while on air. She definitely doesn't look 29 - I would guess at least 36.
She did not say she does it. She just stated you could change your information if you want too.
On May 23, 2007, Hasselbeck and O'Donnell became engaged in a heated on-air exchange over the Iraq War. During the argument, O'Donnell unbelievably referred to former president Jimmy Carter as "Christ-like", and to Hasselbeck as "cowardly".
Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic, Jew hating Nazi who supports the terrorist PLO. How is that Christ-like? Carter supports Venezuelan Communist dictator Hugo Chavez. How is that Christ-like? 69.181.156.67 06:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Jimmy Carter supports the murder of the unborn, contrary to the sixth commandment. How is that Christ-like? Jesus said to obey the Ten Commandments. 69.181.156.67 18:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
The word "unbelievably" makes the statement opinion. The rest is fact. She did actually say those things but that word should be removed.
The section concerning her recent tiff with Rosie needs some serious work. Someone is putting words in her mouth. I erased them but somebody insisted on putting them back. Seems to me somebody is intent on making her look good. — NRen2k5 01:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Since Barbara announced Elisabeth will be back next year with Joy today...shall we take off the area that says "Rumors she will be leaving The View?" Small5th 18:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Even though she claims she's returning to the show on January 6, 2008, I predict she won't be back. She'll use the excuse that with her husband on the road so much, caring for a newborn and a toddler by herself is too much. Guests hosts never appear when four regulars are sitting on the panel, but on November 12 a conservative Republican sat in as guest host even though everyone except Elisabeth was there. I'm sure they were auditioning her as a possible replacement, and I'm sure there will be more in the weeks ahead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.22.164 ( talk) 13:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia say May 28, 1975, and that she is 31 (no source) IMDB says May 28, 1977 ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0276829/ )
Does anyone have quotes from Elisabeth herself? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.116.206 ( talk) 04:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC).
C'mon, did she really say life begins at the moment of "penetration" or is this just vandalism...Something that ridiculous needs a reference Freakdog 00:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
...Sherri Shepherd made several attempts to stop the argument, with Shepherd at one point asking Elisabeth if her unborn child was "okay," apparently fearing the heated argument would hurt the baby's and mother's health.
We don't know Ms. Shepherd's motivation, so speculating on the meaning of "apparently fearing the heated argument would hurt the baby's and mother's health" is specious in nature.
Gpole 15:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)gpole 052607
it was quoted directly from a news article...i read somewhere else Small5th 21:08, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Many people have messaged me of certain sections of the article that has been deleted recently, which I have reinstated and then it has been deleted again. I would like to hear opinions on the sections deleted.
(1) The section of the Abu-Gharib incident, where Elisabeth was talking about the video and then Rosie O'Donnell cut her off (2) The section of Elisabeth attending the white-tie event for the President which was notable as "The View" spent an entire section discussing and it was an honor few people were invited to (3) The section where Joy Behar and Sherri Shephered attempted to intervene in the argument of May 23 (4) The section where Alicia Silverstone ignored Elisabeth when introduced.
I feel if the section where Alicia Silverstone was deleted, the section of Donald Trump should be as well. Both are of similar reasoning, and there is no reason why Donald Trump should be included and not Alicia Silverstone. All the sections that were deleted were cited, and had facts, and I (as well as other users) feel that by deleting these sections cast Elisabeth by a negative light, and thus makes the article biased. If we could hear input from non partisan people. Thank you Small5th
I have discussed it with the other party and they feel it is alright to reinstate those sections
Request: Could someone please add a photo? Thanks!
if Ms. Hasselbeck is a Roman Catholic, as her biography indicates, is it acccurate to say she is also a creationist? If so, that is a very rare stance among Roman Catholics. Has she converted to a more fundamentalist form of Protestantism? Can anyone back up the claim that she herself is a creationist?
"Critics (and those with common sense) argued she was simply overreacting and was being too self-absorbed." The insertion of "(and those with common sense)" does not appear impartial.
Also, referring to Ms. Hasselbeck as a "conservative" voice on The View is not impartial if not juxtaposed to referring to the other co-hosts as "liberal". Otherwise, it's implied that Ms. Hasselbeck is conservative and the other co-hosts are middle-of-the-road.
there is no information as to when she joined the cast or basic information as to her role on the show - it jumps in with the stalker contraversy. I'd add the information myself but I don't know it.-- Lepeu1999 17:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there a picture out there somewhere that can be included? Lowellt 04:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Incidents on the view are not encyclopedic and do not belong in this or any article. Bytebear 05:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Is this a press release? Where are the controversies she has been involved in like comparing gay relationships to toasters, the morning after pill or her fight with Rosie O'Donnell? http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/229829/elisabeth_hasselbeck_pregnant_with.html
It is being widely reported that Elisabeth's husband Tim Haselbeck is having an extra-marital affair with actress Kate Hudson. Sources include showbizspy.com. Why is this update to Elisbeth's profile being deleted by the editors ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.134.41 ( talk) 11:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The header of the article says it is protected against anonymous edits, but it is being edited anonymously. Why is the header on this page if it isn't actually protected? Note to new editors: Putting the warning up does nothing to the protection of the page. An administrator has to actually put a protection on the page. The warning is just a display element and means nothing. Bytebear 21:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Elisabeth is listed as an American Roman Catholic, but in a cited article, she specifically names New England Chapel as one she attends in Massachusetss. New England Chapel is a Dutch Reformed Church, certainly not Catholic. Also, on one episode of The View, she stated that she had been brought up Catholic, implying it was in the past and that she currently was no longer Catholic.
There was no mention of her fight with Rosie so I decided to post a section. I know someone will try to take it down so I'll post it here as well. It's only fair since this section is posted on Rosie's article and Elisabeth started the fight. Brianga I will be posting this again if you take it down. There is no reason why there is no mention of this argument on this page while there is on Rosie's.
On the May 23, 2007, episode of The View, O'Donnell became engaged in a heated debate with co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck.[86] O'Donnell asserted that Hasselbeck was "cowardly" for not answering whether she believed O'Donnell thinks of American troops as terrorists (in reference to O'Donnell's comment earlier in the week in which she said 655,000 Iraqis have died since the United States invasion and asked "who are the terrorists"). O'Donnell also complained of how the media would portray her as a bully attacking "innocent pure Christian Elisabeth" whenever they disagreed on air. O'Donnell stated that she believed Republican pundits were misinterpreting her statements by accusing her of comparing American troops to terrorists, and had asked Hasselbeck if she agreed with the Republican pundits. Hasselbeck denied O'Donnell's accusation, claiming that she knew Rosie didn't think that US soldiers were "terrorists" but told O'Donnell that she needed to "defend herself" as it was not her place to defend controversial statements made by O'Donnell.
The debate became even more heated as co-hosts Joy Behar and Sherri Shepherd made several attempts to stop the argument, including trying to change the discussion to topics like the results of Dancing With the Stars. When the feud continued past the five minute mark, Shepherd ventured to cut to commercial break promising Alicia Silverstone when the show returned. O'Donnell silenced the effort by saying "No, no, no we're not. No because we have a lot more time." Minutes later Behar endeavored again to end the argument by interjecting "Is there no commercial on this show? What are we on, PBS? Who is directing this show? Let's go to commercial!" Shepherd responded by asking Hasselbeck if her unborn child was "okay" after the heated argument, fearing for both the mother and child's health. The show did in fact cut to commercials shortly afterwards, and the subject was not resumed.
O'Donnell and ABC agreed to cut short her contract agreement on May 25, 2007 as a result of this issue.[87]
In a press statement released May 25, 2007, Rosie O'Donnell bore no ill will towards Hasselbeck and says that she "loves all three women". However, in her blog, Ms. O'Donnell stated she has not talked to Ms. Hasselbeck and that she was in shock and "stunned" that Ms. Hasselbeck had brought up Trump. She later posted a video on her blog discussing her future relationship with Ms. Hasselback. In a subsequent blog posting, O'Donnell stated that "I haven't spoken to Elisabeth, and I probably ever won't".[88] She also attempted to restate the controversial comment that had caused the feud with Hasselback saying, "the cowards who sent r [our] troops to this war . . . those men r [are] the terrorists."[89] According to ABC News, O'Donnell said that she knew her time on the show was over when she saw the exchange reported in the newsmedia with the split screen effect showing her and Hasselbeck on either side. ABC News also reported that her arguments with Hasselbeck brought the show its best ratings ever.[90]
In previous versions of the 'article' on Elisabeth Hasselbeck it has been highlighted that her husband is Tim Hasselbeck and that he was a NFL quarterback. Now that Tim Hasselbeck has been summarily fired from the New York Giants (a referenceable fact - go to www.giants.com) you cannot dismiss this as a relevant fact. If you do so, this proves Wiki is only interested in positive promotion of celebrities - influenced by their PR hacks - and not in the truth - as embarassing as it may be for the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.146.133 ( talk) 00:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
This statement According to fireelisabethhasselbeck.com, more than 25,000 petitions have been forwarded to Barbara Walters to ask her and ABC to fire Hasselbeck from The View as of October, 2007. Seems blatant POV-pushing and may violate WP:BIO. Online petitions are quite common and for wikipedia to give this undue weight seems in error. I'm not a regular editor on this article so I'll leave it to those more familiar to either balance it, cite it with reliable sources or get rid of it. We're an encyclopedia not a tabloid. Benjiboi 08:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
"O'Donnell complained about Hasselbeck's unwillingness to morestrongly defend O'Donnell's statement following the media attention after her comment."-- Filll ( talk) 22:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Today Elisabeth disussed Obama's minister, causing controversy.
I don't think the explanation of Goldberg's argument is necessary. It's clearly there to make her look right, and is not neutral. 156.110.35.146 ( talk) 20:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Arthur Smart is repeately removing material explaining why Elisabeth was right in relation to her debate with Whoopi about black men having the right to vote before women. He says it's POV and that it's debateable. Obviously, there is no debate about when the ammendments were passed and what they were about. Whether or not Jim Crow laws were present in the South, technically, the ammendments covered the entire country. It appears to be an attempt to make Elisabeth look wrong by removing facts. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 03:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I am againt the current version in the Eh controversy section(bullet 5).
1st, put the showdate in as dates r in the previous 4 bullets. It was on 21 Jan.
2nd, the punctuation is wrong as it ends with a comma not a period.
3rd, the previous version explained in detail. AfrAm were denied the vote with various taxes,laws, intimidation,etc and this needs to be mentioned\kept. It isnt 2 make EH look bad(she does this herself) it is 2 explain that ladies on paper AfrAm men could vote but it wasnt until 100yrs later that AfrAm men actually did freely.
. . . The previous 4 bullets have detailed explainations so y not explain bullet 5?
70.108.122.159 (
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I went ahead and took a stab at some neutral wording. Sorry for not posting it here first (I did read the talk first, but missed that section.) I tried to as succinctly as possible present both views (which I consider equally valid) and here's the text I added: "The historical question is controversial. The first African American to vote under the 15th Amendment was Thomas Mundy Peterson in 1870 while the first woman to vote under the 19th was Marie Ruoff Byrum in 1920. On the other hand, some women were able to vote in various states long before either the 19th amendment or the 15th amendment and, due to Jim Crow laws, the 15th amendment did not effectively grant suffrage to African Americans on a national scale the way the 19th amendment did for women." I think it's worth adding (I was curious when I read the version) and I believe this version shows the strength of both positions. -- theStorminMormon
The first woman to vote in the United States was Louisa Ann Swain on September 6, 1870 in Laramie, Wyoming. Because women in New Jersey had the right to vote from 1776-1807, and there were no records kept of what time each voted in the first election there, the name of the first woman in the United States to vote (after independence) is likely lost in the mists of history. Their right was rescinded in 1807. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mthomin1 ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is her political affiliation added to the infobox? The other VIEW hosts do not have their party affiliation mentioned in their infoboxes. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 16:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Why aren't the FACTS from the recent poll (results published on ABC (network for The View), and varoius other publications - more than 1 million persons voted Elisabeth Hassellbeck as #1 WORST female talk show host on all of television. and #1 MOST ANNOYING. These are facts, reported by major news organisations. Why can't these be added to the subject's Wiki profile ? The locking and editing of this profile seems to confirm EXTREME BIAS in editing out negatives associated with this person's profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.149.205 ( talk) 03:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The agenda is so clear. A user adds the March 24 controversy w/o citing why Elisabeth said that. I added it. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 16:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You just violated WP:3RR. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 17:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The section is controversies & most of them r bc of things EH said w bad support( 4 ex she compared Rev Wright to mass muderer\human eater Jeffrey Dahmer: http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=b84dea1b-5be2-4cd6-a1fb-22d858de2390 ). I dont think its POV or NPOV. IT belongs in bc of the rXns of her cohosts & other media (ppl mag,huff post, etc) that comment on dayime US tv. 70.108.122.159 ( talk) 21:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Stanley011 and I have made significant changes regarding the 24-Mar-2008 controversy. The bullet item is much longer than I would have liked, but hopefully, the extended quotations will meet NPOV standards. If you disagree, and think this or any other item is non-neutral, then please advise. Thanks. -- Art Smart ( talk) 23:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
To further this discussion, let's start with what we both agree about. We both agree that Hasselbeck called Wright a racist. There is no question about that. What we disagree about is whether that is why the issue is controversial. I maintain that if that part of her comment is to be noted as the reason why the episode is controversial, then a source to that effect must be provided. Otherwise, it is a POV interpretation and that has no place on wikipedia. Stanley011 ( talk) 16:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I say Hasselbeck was controversial during the 24-Mar-2008 episode for two reasons:
- She called Rev. Wright a racist.
- Using Whoopi's verb, Hasselbeck equated Wright to Jeffrey Dahmer.
The two statements were controversial, both jointly and severally. Each is controversial enough to warrant a bullet entry in its own right. However, doing so would look silly, so I favor having both controversies documented in the same bullet entry, especially since they both were part of the same conversation. -- Art Smart ( talk) 16:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, let's first stop any edit warring that's going on in the article and discuss any changes here first. Second, we do not place fact tags on unsourced, contentious content in a WP:BLP, instead we immediately and aggressively remove it. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons. The same goes for content in an article or on a talk page, so be cautious as to what is posted even here in this discussion. Third, in order to say that something is controversial, it must be sourced, otherwise it is original research. Who is saying something is controversial? It cannot be us, it has to be sourced. Dreadstar † 18:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Dreadstart, please explain how my source does not support the claim that I made. Also, please note that leaving it as is: "equated Wright with Dahmer" is intellectually dishonest at best, and libelous at worst. Read through the transcript. Stanley011 ( talk) 18:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Dreadstar, you have not answered either of my objections above as of yet. Please provide an explanation as to why you are choosing to include the Behar quote under the controversy. If you have found a source that describes Hasselbeck's use of the word "racist" as controversial, or criticizes it in any way, I would ask you to provide that source Stanley011 ( talk) 02:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC). Here is a source that describes her comment as "odd": can that be included in the article now? [1] Stanley011 ( talk) 14:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Pls correct [17] with this better link : http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=b84dea1b-5be2-4cd6-a1fb-22d858de2390. The current abc.com isnt a direct link and they only keep up video for 1 week anyways. Thx 70.108.122.159 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The statistical information under her spot for a picture lists her as a republican. However, in a specific quote "Hasselbeck has said that she calls herself neither a conservative nor a liberal. Her parents had an independent political stance, never telling their children for whom they voted. She has stated that the term "conservative" does not define her as a person.[9]" under the header "Personal Life", reference at "All stated on Hasselbeck's April 12,2007 appearance as a guest on Fox's Hannity and Colmes". Is she in fact a republican, or is this just inferred? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Einsfahrt ( talk • contribs) 05:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
AOL reports that "Talk show hosts have strong opinions -- and so, apparently, do you. We polled our users on monologues, fashion sense, even a hypothetical 'View' smackdown ... and 1.3 million votes later, we wound up with results so surprising, they'd leave even Whoopi speechless." Click the "Next" button nine times until you get to page "10 of 19":
9. Who's the worst interviewer?
- 35% E. Hasselbeck
- 25% Tyra Banks
- 23% Dr. Phil
- 11% Larry King
- 7% Meredith Vieira
This Google News search yields five news articles that picked up the story.
Since the article is protected, are there any admins willing to add the above item to the article? Thanks. -- Art Smart ( talk) 13:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Why haven't the results of this survey been added to Hasselbeck's profile ?? Presidential race polls include far less persons (1.3 million) yet the editors of Wiki are so biased in maintaining the profile of Elisabeth Hasselbeck that they refuse to post these FACTS ?? Worst interviewer on television, 1.3 million persons in national poll
I have proposed a different wording for this section. I was wondering what the various editors think of it: "In 2008, AOL conducted a poll to ascertain public opinion towards various American talk show hosts. In question nine "Who is the worst interviewer?" the choices offered were Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Tyra Banks, Dr. Phil, Larry King and Meredith Vieira. 35% of the repsondents, a plurality, chose Hasselbeck. Referencing the poll, the Daily News reported that Hasselbeck is "considered the worst interviewer on television [1] [2]"
I think the statement "voted the worst interviewer on television" does not provide the full context of the survey, which the new version provides. I would like input before adding it. Many thanks Stanley011 ( talk) 21:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC).
The source that I would like to add is the following, which shows the results of the poll: (go to question 9): http://television.aol.com/feature/talk-show-hosts-poll Stanley011 ( talk) 21:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please add the following below the categories:
{{
blpwatch|from=04/2008|reason=Controversial media figure, disputed BLP.}}
Thanks! Kelly hi! 15:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
When this page is unprotected, could someone please change Category:People from Providence, Rhode Island to Category:People from Cranston, Rhode Island. Thanks! -- Shunpiker ( talk) 18:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Hasselback is not a politician, therefore why is it relevant to state her political party in her info box? None of the other View hosts have these labeling in their info boxes. Mdriver1981 ( talk) 04:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
THIS IS THE LATEST UP-TO-DATE AND VERIFIABLE STATUS ON ELISABETH HASSELBECK'S HUSBANDS EMPLOYMENT STATUS: In April 2008, Tim Hasselbeck's contract with the Arizona Cardinals expired and was not renewed. He is no longer appears on the team roster (see www.azcardinals.com) and was made an unrestricted free agent. As of the July 22, 2008 NFL deadline no team has signed Tim Hasselbeck and he was released by the Cardinals and is now effectively unemployed and no longer a professional football player in the National Football League (NFL) and should only be referred to as a former NFL quarterback and former NFL player. [source: nfl.com/freeagents] THESE ARE REFERENCEABLE FACTS: WHY ARE THESE FACTS BEING DELETED AND CALLED VANDALISM. THESE FACTS ARE IMPORANT, ARE ACCURATE AND MOST CERTAINLY ADD TO THIS WIKI PROFILE. SOURCES TO VALIDATE THESE FAACTS ARE NOTED (WWW.AZCARDINALS.COM) SHOWS TIM HASSELBECK IS NOT LISTED IN THE CURRENT TEAM AND IS ONLY LISTED IN THE ALUMNI INDEX. OFFICIAL NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE STATS (WWW.NFL.COM) SHOW THAT TIM HASSELBECK IS AN UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT AND DOES NOT HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ANY TEAM FOR THE 2008 SEASON. ANY REFERENCE TO MS. HASSELBECK'S MARRIAGE SHOULD SAY SHE IS MARRIED TO "FORMER NFL PLAYER TIM HASSELBECK". IT IS ALSO FAIR TO NOTE ON ALL THE DATA, STATISTICS AND EVIDENCE THAT TIM HASSELBECK HAD A VERY UNDISTINGUISHED CAREER, WAS NEVER A STARTING QUARTERBACK AND IN MANY SEASONS DIDN'T SEE ANY GAME TIME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.7.14 ( talk) 16:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The wiki profile for Elisabeth Hasselbeck stil claims that her husband is an NFL Quaterback playing for the Arizona Cardinals. Both points are incorrect and misleading. I've checked with the Arizona Cardinals and can confirm that at the end of the 2007 season Tim Hasselbeck was let go froom the team's roster and made an "unrestricted free agent". Which means he can be pick up by any team without any payment to Arizona Cardinals. There was a deadline of June 1 2008 for either Arizona to make him an offer or another team to make him an offer. He did not receive an offer from Arizona nor any other team. He remains an unresricted free agent which means he is no longer employed by Arizona, he is no longer a player in the NFL and any claim that he is an "NFL Quarterback" is patently incorrect and misleading. Source: Arizona Cardinals
Further, I think it is important to have actual data and facts to support the current assessment of Tim Hasselbeck's career. The current Wiki profile says his career is "undistinguished". This is not accurate. The fact is that according to detailed statistics compiled and publisehd by Sportsline and the NFL (NFL Stats) in 2007 Tim Hasselbeck was ranked #116 of a total of 117 quarterbacks in the NFL. This suggests that Tim Hasselbeck's career was a dismal failure not merely "undistinguished".
As Elisabeth Hasselbeck continues to make many references to her husband being an NFL quarterback and approved having this reference in her profile up until now, it is only just that the profile is modified to reflect the truth about her husband's career and status in the NFL (no longer in the NFL). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.107.66 ( talk) 06:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Why have the edits to CORRECT the information about Elisabeth's husband TIM HASSELBECK been deleted? The fact is that he is NOT currently an NFL player. He has been cut by Arizona. Further, he does NOT have a contract with FOX Sports. He is unemployed. Has not played an NFL game since 2003. Elisabeth continues to talk about her husband being an "NFL Quarterback" as recently as June 18, 2008 when appearing on Hannity & Colmes. This is false, a lie and should not be allowed to be perpetued on Wiki. I thought Wiki was about being accurate and truthful, not a PR outlet for D-list celebrities? —Preceding
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58.169.194.218 (
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00:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
i dont know how to add tags like the NPOV one, but i find everything about the "controversies" part of this artical to be biased and POV Macenblu ( talk) 17:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I have put up a POV and factual accuracy tag due to the many problems that this article has. Many of the citations and references are from obscure sources, with at least one being from PerezHilton.com. The article needs thorough cleanup. -- AJ24 ( talk) 16:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Should this particular incident be added to the "Controversies" section? It did recieve news coverage, but I can't say myself whether it merits being included in the article. I was just wondering because the debate does raise the question of whether or not there is a double standard in the US when it comes to racial slurs.
ABC News’ Rick Klein Reports: The McCain-Palin campaign’s efforts to reach women is about to get a celebrity boost: Elisabeth Hasselbeck is set to join Gov. Sarah Palin on the campaign trail. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/hasselbeck-to-c.html Reporterage ( talk) 18:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I've seen a lot of refrences on the Internet about Elizabeth's possible departure to Fox News. Is this just an unsubstantiated rumor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.190.173 ( talk) 21:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
"On October 26, 2008, Hasselbeck introduced Sarah Palin, saying criticism of her $150,000 clothing budget were blatantly sexist."
I think there are getting to be too many major revisions without discussion first (myself included). I believe that 'Survivor' should be under 'Career,' since that did launch her televsion career. Also, "stints" isn't exactly encyclopedic. OwenSaunders ( talk) 02:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
With the recent deletion by TheRedPenOfDoom of the explaination of who got voting rights first (African-Americans or women), the way this entry is now it could easily be misread that Goldberg corrected Hasselbeck, and that woman got voting righs first, which is at least technically incorrect. Goldberg subsequently corrected herself later in the episode or the next day, but I can't easily find a written source for this. And since this incident really was not a controversy, just an interesting discussion about political history, I've removed the incident entirely. OwenSaunders ( talk) 01:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
OwenSaunders, above you state that you removed the incident entirely. But I see that it is still there. Do you mean you would have removed it entirely if you were TheRedPenOfDoom? Flyer22 ( talk) 07:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
The more that I look at this section, the more I think it should be pared down. For instance, the statement about Cindy McCain: What exactly is the controversy? There has to be some counterpoint stated (at the very least) for it to be controversial. Yes, it was a jab at Michelle Obama but that's not evident here, and does it really belong in the bio? At this point, the most relevant controversy was the one with O'Donnel, partly notable because O'Donnel left The View early because of it (which isn't even in stated in this article). Thoughts? OwenSaunders ( talk) 01:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Announced just now, live on 'The View' (01/29/2009).
Macshill ( talk) 16:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
You people are quick! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macshill ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
This "material" is under the View sub section? There has to be a better section for that if it is even notable? Any takers? TIA -- Tom 13:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I have copy edited this material. Any reason to add specific details about births, husband, or brother-n-law? Maybe add birth years, but that should more than sufice since they are not notable in their own right. Thank you, Tom 14:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Plastic: I cited Pitt as an example. If u want EH considered individually, WHY NOT include the info? EH told the media about world about each of her pregnancies; about each of the labours; about each of her kids bday parties, etc. She isnt hiding the info so why cant it be here?
2nd: Including their names/DOB def doesnt fall under 'coatrack'. It is 1 line not a section.
RedPen: "not included by any mean"...again WHY? Eh is telling the world so y cant it be included?
70.108.119.213 (
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19:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
(1)WRONG! IDing what will happen bc of constant reverting of 1 another's edit is just that: IDing what constant reverting of edit is called: an edit war.
(2)Y dont u stop yelling?
70.108.119.213 (
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17:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
ip keeps reverting to version with multiple problems and unwilling or able to try to listen to others. Time to block and semi protect. Tom (talk) 00:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
We're back on the same argument. See 3 sections above this 1 (section 9).
Since when does wiki not allow birthdates?
Detailed info--weight & length @ birth;fav colour-- isnt given! Why is having the birthdates not allowed when their parents put the info out in press releases? The info was also publicised by
ABC,
Disney,
NFL, &
People (magazine); so it is all sourced. 04:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm asking bc it is polite. I did read them. Obviously YOU didnt. If you did read you 'd have seen Tom and spielchequers thoughts. 70.108.110.22 ( talk) 11:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
{{tl:HELPME| Y cant the kids names & birthdates be included? redpen,plastic, & I are disagreeing. Thanks.}} 70.108.119.213 ( talk) 17:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
{{tl:adminhelp| Y cant the kids names & birthdates be included? redpen,plastic, & I are disagreeing. Thanks.}} 70.108.119.213 ( talk) 17:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I think RedPen has already referred to WP:BLP, but the specific paragraph is:
Privacy of personal information
Wikipedia includes dates of birth for some well-known persons where the dates: (1)have been published in one or more reliable sources linked to the persons such that it may reasonably be inferred that the persons do not object to their release; or (2) have otherwise been widely published.
Caution should be exercised with less notable people. With identity theft on the rise, people increasingly regard their dates of birth as private. When in doubt about the notability of the subject, or if the subject complains about the publication of his or her date of birth, err on the side of caution and simply list the year of birth.
In a similar vein, Wikipedia articles should not include addresses, e-mail addresses, telephone numbers, or other contact information for living persons, though links to websites maintained by the subject are generally permitted.
So in the case of the children, year of birth should be OK if sourced. Hope that helps Ϣere SpielChequers 17:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Speil: (1)redpen & plastic didnt cite the reasons you say, they say bc of WP:COATRACK.
The name/DOBS have always been sourced as Elisabeth HERSELF announced their birth & names. Thanks Spiel. RIP
Jade Goody.
70.108.119.213 (
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20:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I put it here and not within the article because I honestly don't know whether this sort of material on the Internet counts as a 'verifiable source' with respect to what it is about, or if it's simply 'a bunch of people mouthing off on the Net.'
In any event, 66% of 21 people submitting to www.hubdub.com, and 88% of eight people at rasmussenreports.predictify.com predict that Hasselbeck will be found (or shown to be) guilty of plagiarism. This should not be taken to mean that only 30 or fewer people are convinced that Hasselbeck is a plagiarist, since a Google search of the subject and reader comments shows that a substantial number of people believe that she is: that's simply the number of people who took time to make these predictions at the time of checking.
My point with regard to verifiability isn't the merits of the case itself, but its reflection of the degree to which Hasselbeck is so controversial that her guilt is assumed by many without question. (I suppose it would go under 'Controversies,' if it went anywhere at all.)
Isn't this material more appropriate for the show article rather than this bio? -- Threeafterthree ( talk) 05:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)