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First, I removed the {{ notability}} from the article, since the coverage in the New York Times is sufficient for the general notability guidelines. I agree that additional independent sources would be useful to the article.
That said, my concern is whether this should really be a stand-alone article, or whether it should be merged into Yale College. Since there's a section on residential colleges at the YC article, it would also make sense to mention this program, which parallels the colleges. It would also beef up a short article at YC—a medium-sized article would take the place of two short ones. This title would remain as a pointer to the section there.
Accordingly, I'm formally proposing a merge. Please comment here. — C.Fred ( talk) 22:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I in turn do not find your discussion of notability very persuasive in the context of this article, though I do see it having some validity in general. We should keep in mind (as the Wikipedia article on notability does) that the issue of notability, much like the issue of independent media, is very controversial. Considering that first and foremost notability depends on reliable secondary source material, the EWSP page has satisfied the definition for such, since all of the cited articles in the page (including the YDN) exercise very strong editorial control over content. I believe that the page also merits stand-alone status. I'm actually more concerned that Yale College page editors and collaborators will object harshly to the merger. Since the YC page is much more established and experiences much higher rates of collaboration, I feel that many will see it as a 'vandalization' or intrusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkbaba ( talk • contribs) 02:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
In response to Shadowjams comment that notability of a subject in a source must be "more than a mere mention", half of the NYT article refers specifically to the Eli Whitney Students Program (referred to in the article as the 'degree-granting program'), including the difference between it and Yale's non-degree program. The article also notes the increased admissions standards for the program. So for editors to continue and threaten deletion of the EWSP page over notability is not based on sound logic nor is it justifiable. Regarding merger, I propose removing the merge tag on both EWSP and YC pages if after some time (a week or so) there is little or no support for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkbaba ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Should the Eli Whitney Students Program continue to have its own article, or should this admissions program be merged into the Yale College article? — C.Fred ( talk) 17:39, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
As I have stated my position several times before, I will briefly reiterate my stance once more: I am unambiguously opposed to a merger with Yale College. I have previously enumerated my reasons in greater detail. Since there is little editorial consensus or debate either way on this issue, I propose removing the merger tag on the Eli Whitney Students Program page. Of course we could call for another third opinion, but I think that would throw this issue into unnecessary arbitration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkbaba ( talk • contribs) 19:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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This article was nominated for deletion on 3 January 2021. The result of the discussion was redirect. |
First, I removed the {{ notability}} from the article, since the coverage in the New York Times is sufficient for the general notability guidelines. I agree that additional independent sources would be useful to the article.
That said, my concern is whether this should really be a stand-alone article, or whether it should be merged into Yale College. Since there's a section on residential colleges at the YC article, it would also make sense to mention this program, which parallels the colleges. It would also beef up a short article at YC—a medium-sized article would take the place of two short ones. This title would remain as a pointer to the section there.
Accordingly, I'm formally proposing a merge. Please comment here. — C.Fred ( talk) 22:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I in turn do not find your discussion of notability very persuasive in the context of this article, though I do see it having some validity in general. We should keep in mind (as the Wikipedia article on notability does) that the issue of notability, much like the issue of independent media, is very controversial. Considering that first and foremost notability depends on reliable secondary source material, the EWSP page has satisfied the definition for such, since all of the cited articles in the page (including the YDN) exercise very strong editorial control over content. I believe that the page also merits stand-alone status. I'm actually more concerned that Yale College page editors and collaborators will object harshly to the merger. Since the YC page is much more established and experiences much higher rates of collaboration, I feel that many will see it as a 'vandalization' or intrusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkbaba ( talk • contribs) 02:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
In response to Shadowjams comment that notability of a subject in a source must be "more than a mere mention", half of the NYT article refers specifically to the Eli Whitney Students Program (referred to in the article as the 'degree-granting program'), including the difference between it and Yale's non-degree program. The article also notes the increased admissions standards for the program. So for editors to continue and threaten deletion of the EWSP page over notability is not based on sound logic nor is it justifiable. Regarding merger, I propose removing the merge tag on both EWSP and YC pages if after some time (a week or so) there is little or no support for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkbaba ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Should the Eli Whitney Students Program continue to have its own article, or should this admissions program be merged into the Yale College article? — C.Fred ( talk) 17:39, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
As I have stated my position several times before, I will briefly reiterate my stance once more: I am unambiguously opposed to a merger with Yale College. I have previously enumerated my reasons in greater detail. Since there is little editorial consensus or debate either way on this issue, I propose removing the merger tag on the Eli Whitney Students Program page. Of course we could call for another third opinion, but I think that would throw this issue into unnecessary arbitration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkbaba ( talk • contribs) 19:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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