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shouldn't list include anthony rother? he's created lots of cult electronic music, including 'electro pop' album. yeah it should also include kraftwork
There are a lot of artists on that list that are merely pop artists who have taken electropop influences and used them in their own work. A number of them shouldn't be included in a list of "notable electropop musicians". Someone needs to clean up that list. I mean Sugababes and Hilary Duff?!! Christ....
An article that talks about a particular genre of music and gives a list of notable musicians from the genre should be mainly listing artists that have had something substantial to contribute to the genre. If there's a wiki article on jazz music should we then include Christina Aquilera as a "notable jazz musician" because her last album had jazz influences? Strictmachineaddict 10:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)IOI I agree but you are wasting your time on wikipedia, when it comes to music it is too subjective. Most people who are serious technopop/electro fans know what the genre is and they would know that Britney is not electropop. The actual wiki article on Britney classes her as Pop so why is she classed as electrpop here? Sources are important but they must be GOOD sources. I can find a source backing up any opinion but it doesn't make it authoritative. However this small insignificant article is not worth my time.
I did add YMO to list the list but it will probably be removed despite the encyclopedia of popular music listing them as second only to Kraftwerk in terms of pioneering electronic music.
Who says that electropop is a subgenre of synthpop? COuldn't it be exactly the opposite?-- Doktor Who 12:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
The only subgenre SynthPop is New Wave and nothing more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.131.29 ( talk) 23:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Synthpop has become a broader term to indicate a variety of pop made with synths.... so of course electropop falls under that category. Its pop made with synths after all. Having said that "synthpop" should be among the "derivative forms"...not in the "stylistic origins" as it is now. there was NO synthpop before electropop....electropop was the first form of synthpop(and infact in its origin the terms were used as synonymous).
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sequencer07 ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC) x
Regardless of whether it is derived from, there appears to be a general consensus that 'Electropop' shouldn't be listed as a subgenre. Do I have permission then to remove 'Electropop' from the 'Subgenres' section of 'Synthpop'? I have to say though - I'm still happy to push for a merger. POW™ ( talk) 21:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Everything in this article is wrong. -- Dr. Who 01:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree, 1978 - 1981? more like 1978 - 1983 at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.196.223 ( talk) 04:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
i agree with extending it to 1983. the original author of this article confused the futurist movement of 1978-1980 with electropop which actually peaked from 1981 to 1983.(the electropop tag was actually created to break away from experimental "futurism" underlining its pop nature) infact the first bands and records to be defined as electropop by UK media of the time ("Smash Hits" and "Sounds" UK magazines)all date to 1981 : Depeche Mode-speak&spell, Human League Dare (their earlier work fell into "futurism") and SoftCell Non stop Electronic Cabaret. the term stood for Elecronic Pop (POP!) and was heavily in use up to mid 80s all across europe. There was a debate between Human League and OMD on who invented electropop....with OMD claiming they had invented the electropop formula in 1979 with "Electricity" but with other bands dismissing such claim as the song didn't have a fully electronic sound (it didnt have an electronic beat). 1978-1983 covers the whole scenario and accounts for the massive electropop hits which were released up till 1983 (from yazoo "don't go" to eutythmics "sweet dreams" ,depeche mode "get the balance right"...with new order "blue monday" in 1983 closing the era).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sequencer07 ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Please forgive me if I do so incorrectly, but I assume that the only reason Rachel Stevens, Hilary Duff, and Girls Aloud were removed from this article is because they are mainstream artists, but they all release electropop records. Rachel Stevens's Come and Get It is widely regarded as a seminal pop album ( a review), and Hilary Duff's new album is receiving a similar reception. Girls Aloud were one of the acts that brought electropop back into the pop mainstream in 2003-2004.
In short, please don't remove artists and groups from the list because you don't like them, ESPECIALLY when references are given, as opposed to every other artist in the list. 68.185.182.12 07:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but if you're going to list artists in a "notable electropop musicians" list they should have atleast contributed something substantial to the genre as opposed to pop artists who have taken on influences from a genre. What qualifies Rachel Stevens and Hilary Duff as notable electropop musicians? Strictmachineaddict 10:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
MUUUUU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.126.198.110 ( talk) 20:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
How is Lady Gaga and Hillary Duff Electropop. I mean there lyrics arent even Scifi....There even under Synth Pop they can never live along side Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, Human League. Lady Gaga album is too...modern day Hip Hop influenced...She is more Dance Pop out of anything. For female ElectroPop The KNife ok, Goldfrapp ok...but Lady Gaga? Besides most of the mainstream crowd doesnt even know what Electropop is. —Preceding
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User 715.119 is absolutely right. The only people daft enough to lump Lady Gaga, Hilary Duff or any Top 40 pop diva under the electro or synthpop banner, are those so absolutely clueless about the genres that they lump together all music with any remote shred of electronic/synthesized influence. I've seen Britney Spears cited in the Synthpop article as an example of a modern "synthpop revivalist", FFS. What the hell? Now Gaga would, of course, like to fancy herself some cutting edge electro artist inspired by 70s Glam rock, yet you clearly get the impression hearing her music of nothing more than cheesy dance-pop, in a slightly 90s Eurodance vein...and way too heavily influenced by hip-hop. It's just typical mainstream pop bullshit. I swear, NOBODY has any sense of what a genre is anymore. The article gives no serious impression of what an Electropop style consists of. It discusses/lists artists from all over the spectrum of Synth, post-punk, dance AND modern bubblegum pop, with very few examples of distinguishable Electropop given.
--And holy shit, it's Edkollin again! Wow. I KNEW that there was something annoyingly disagreeable about the post above mine. 74.69.64.52 ( talk) 23:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I think Robyn should be in the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.222.50 ( talk) 22:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I think Lily Allen should be mentioned in the "rise of female eletropop" area. Unlike artists like Hillary Duff, Allen has modified her image to fit the electropop sound from her sophomore album, and has implied that her newer electropop sound will be permanent. In addition, there needs to be a citation for "record labels are trying to give male electropop a 'geeky' image." 68.43.83.93 ( talk) 23:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Seriously guys, think about it. Electropop is nothing but a name.. but to call it a genre? Well we have electronica, synthpop, new wave, dance-pop or even club/dance, but why do we need another fake genre that mixes electronica with dance-pop? JaymanJohn ( talk) 07:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Than this article is contradicting itself. The lyrics must be scifi lyrics for it to be Electropop according to this article. I have the LAdy Gaga cd there is nothing scifi about her lyrics. Plus mainstream artist dont even know what it is. Lets leave in the artist that we are 100% sure that they are Electropop. Like HUman League, Depeche Mode, Soft Cell. Ect....there is too much doubt about lady gaga. I might give you Synth pop but she is not electropop whatsoever. People are calling electropop techno music combined with dance pop or Dance pop that has alot of electronic vibe in it. Thats not true electropop music. Also please show proof of these "sources" If theses sources are american than its not saying much because alot of americans dont know what Electropop and maybe even synth pop is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.131.253 ( talk) 14:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, but you shouldn't consider conceding a case for Synthpop either, because she's not. Gaga is dance-pop, and is only labeled differently due to the (pretentious) way that she markets herself combined with the way she dresses. If people merely heard her music without knowing anything about her in a personal/image sense, they would easily come way with the impression of typical radio pop music. Unfortunately, audiences are easy to fool (including "reliable" critics) these days. Good luck with getting Eldkollin to provide proof of those sources of his, though, lol. 74.69.64.52 ( talk) 00:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I am not entirely opposed to the "reliable source rule" by any means, but the problem comes with battles over what's considered reliable. You have often rejected edits that have been presented with many reliable sources. I'm sure the names SPK, Fad Gadget and The Stranglers ring a bell. You will reject submissions without explaining what makes the accompanying sources too "lacking" for your taste, and it frankly gives off vibes of anything but the "neutrality" you champion.
I'm glad that you don't actually agree with the very sources that you use to support certain cases, but you don't think there's a reason for disagreements you and I have with them beyond "just not liking it"? It could be in fact, because of OTHER information that we have encountered. Gaga's wiki article consistently lists her as "electronic" rather than electropop. Allmusic.com doesn't list her under any "electronic music" related banner - just pop, dance r&b. I could present these sources, but then be "overridden" by someone with an Entertainment Weekly article which mentions electropop a few times in a review of her CD. Who decides what's reliable here?
Also, are you saying the Electropop has evolved into a more simple and mainstream, dancey-pop genre? I'm guessing it must have for most of those modern artists listed to qualify. But the article itself doesn't even explain the evolution. It just jumps right ahead into the 2000s naming a bunch of artists who don't remotely fit the definition of the genre given in the article's opening, and whom have nothing in common with the type of artists listed as early Electropoppers. Many of whom (the early artists), oddly enough, are also commonly linked to Synthpop (and even post-punk) music, despite the definition explicitly stating that the two (electro and synth) are not interchangeable. It's just confusing and weak. 74.69.64.52 ( talk) 08:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
I think maybe this article should be split into Electropop and Electropop (2000s genre), because this recent electro pop has very little to do with original electropop, and artists such as Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Timbaland, Pitbull are loosely related to Kraftwerk and the type of music they pioneered in the late 70s. Also, I think there's a need for a separate description box for contemporary electro pop, as it has different roots from original electropop and when someone arrives to the artcile to read about contemporary electropop and reads that Techno developed from electropop, he'll get a bit confused. -- 217.21.43.222 ( talk) 07:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Most genre based music articles have an origin based sub-section, which this article lacks. I suggest we have one here, or at least a paragraph, that can deal more fully and appropriately with the forerunners of the genre, such as "Krautrock" pioneers like Kraftwerk, which is rather lost in the beginning of the History section here.-- SabreBD ( talk) 09:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Are those two the same thing? Synthpop article explains that electropop is "more robotic" than synthpop itself, but doesn't list any sources for such a claim. I've come up with this idea as many synthpop artists are sometimes listed as electropop artists and vice versa. And I've found at least two [reliable] sources, that support my idea:
And you are free to look if there are more sources on the topic here: Google.Books search on: "electro pop" synth pop. -- 82.209.225.13 ( talk) 17:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Where are the sources?-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 05:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
The way the article is written electroclash artists are assumed to be electropop. While they are obviously related in some way is this correct?. Edkollin ( talk) 05:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone keeps saying this genre is mainly popular in the UK. It is not. All the electropop artists come from the UNITED STATES, for example Lady Gaga and Ke$ha. Please fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teachereaseply944 ( talk • contribs) 01:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I live in the US. I know what's popular here, considering I AM A TOP 40/MAINSTREAM RADIO DJ IN THE US. & no. that music is Pop/R&B. & all Lady Gaga's singles have reached #1 on the Pop 100 here, whereas in the UK, only 4 of her singles have reached number 1. Also, our top songs in the US this year have been TiK ToK, for the first THREE MONTHS of the year, followed by the electro song imma be, then Break Your Heart - Taio Cruz, and now Rude Boy - Rihanna. Not to mention, Blah Blah Blah by Ke$ha which peaked at #7 whereas in the UK, it charted only at #11. Then, Your love is my drug, (ke$ha's new shingle) has already gone to number 27 based on radio airplay before it's official release date, due to just airplay, where in the UK it only went to number 63. Also, consider the fact that the two electropop songs "Boom Boom Pow", and I gotta feeling" by the Black eyed peas spent a combined back to back six & a half month run in the US ONLY last year, from the end of march until the middle of October. Then, there is the fact that "3" by Britney Spears debuted at #1 in the US, without having any previous chart position, whereas in the UK, it debuted at only number 7. Lastly, ALL THESE ARTISTS ARE FROM THE US : Ke$ha, Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, The Pussycat Dolls, Britney Spears, Owl City, LMFAO, Adam Lambert, Christina Aguilera, Leighton Meester, Heidi Montag, (yes Leighton Meester & Heidi Montag had TONS & TONS OF REQUESTS AND RADIO AIRPLAY IN THE US.), Usher (who has now switched over to electropop, in the US), & Miley Cyrus, who is releasing a techno album in the US in June, and Flo Rida who uses electropop beats in his songs. Now from what I know, NONE of these artists are doing better with any album / single sales in the UK, then they are doing in the US. (except for bad romance by Lady GaGa & telephone.) (Bad Romance - #2 in US) (Telephone - #3)
So, lets at least say it's mainstream popularity is mainly in the US & UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teachereaseply944 ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I also believe that it should be mentioned that it's more sucessfull in the US. Everyone here likes it, and it pushed R&B/Rap/Rock out of the mainstream in the US ONLY. Also, he right when he says basicly all the artists who make this genre of music are from the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy775433 ( talk • contribs) 01:19, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
yea andy and teacherease are....... yea well as it is one of the biggest genres in America now, its also popular worldwide, not just there so, edkollin should add something about it being popular worldwide, not just in the UK & the US. Because, i am from Canada and it's HUGE here too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indieiseasy ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
The two read almost identical to one another, so merging the two would make logical sense. ---- 71.254.118.175 ( talk) 16:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
mr 86.5.75.208 :"electro and techno are instrumental and nothing to do with pop" hello? this article is about Electropop....not about Pop. electro and techno owe an awoful lot to electropop in terms of SOUND and STYLE. (4/4, electro sound, beats , synth bass, grooves and the futuristic innovative approach) both the electro and techno wiki articles mention synthpop (therefore even more so electropop) in their stylistic origin . and btw there was more than a few electropop& technopop tunes which were instrumentals . in case u didn't know also kraftwerk were labelled as electropop/technopop at the time ;)(in their 19878-1983 period) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.148.66 ( talk) 22:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
The article claims that Pop-Punk is a stylistic origin for electropop which I find dubious since Pop-Punk is a not an electronic genre in anyway. If there is no disagreement about this in the next few days I will delete that claim. Edkollin ( talk) 21:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I haven't been back here for a while, but the Stylist Orig. box used to have separate lists for the 70s-80s incarnation of Electropop and the current incarnation. Now it's just one list which seems more oriented on the modern "Electropop".
And as a side note, I'm pretty sure I've seen this "genre" listed in the Wikipedia profile of every commercially successful artist and song from the last 5 years. Does anyone know where the sudden obsession with this term originated? Theburning25 ( talk) 13:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
The will be removed 00:00 +8H GMT due to flooding and confusion with this article. No opposition needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.32.154 ( talk) 00:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
without first addressing the issues highlighted. -- Semitransgenic ( talk) 12:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
significant overlap, no citations to support the notion that this is somehow a "genre" distinct from synthpop. See here for possible reason for this confusion, it boils down to a difference in journalistic terminology used in the US at the time, relative to that employed in the UK (the latter being the main exporter of synthpop in the early 80s). It is exactly the same genre of the music that is being referred to, but if someone can come up with valid citations that support a clear distinction, all the better. -- Semitransgenic ( talk) 12:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I've never done this before, so please forgive me for any formatting errors. I've currently been doing an assignment on Electropop, and coincidentally, the differences from Synthpop. Now, I've not found much, but the only definitive source which differentiates between the two is [2]. However, after listening to pieces listed as either for some time, there IS a slight difference in sound-based texture. Unlike the articles given, I find that synth-pop further exploits the sensation of artificiality, and generally electro-pop is more melodic. This is not definitive, and an actual musicologist should be found. In any case, a merger would severely mess up the information I am compiling right now, which I may share if I remember once I finish. To also mess things further up, t should also be noted that this [3] info. states electropop and disco as the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.230.167 ( talk) 12:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Synthpop has another term, motorpop, but it's rarely used, so, it's disregarded usually. 121.54.32.133 ( talk) 04:36, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Dance-Pop - Carly Rae Jepsen Katy Perry Demi Lovato Selena Gomez
Synth-Pop - Tegan and Sara Owl City Ellie Goulding Robyn
Electro Pop - Lady Gaga Britney Spears Charli XCX Girls Generation Cascada(circ.2009)
Electroclash - Fischerspooner Scissor Sisters (early)
Electro House - Martin Garrix Zedd Robin Porter Deadmau5
Electro - Afrika Bambaataa
Electronica - Kraftwerk Boards of Canada Brian Eno
Just so no one merges this page with any of these genres because they are totally different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshirisu ( talk • contribs) 01:39, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Whoever merged Electropop with Synthpop is completely wrong. The genres are considerably different in their sounds,origins, and production. If anything should be merged with Synthpop it should be New Wave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshirisu ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your contributions.
The instruments parameter in the infobox should contain the instruments that are verifiably part of the genre. Wikipedia requires all information in the encyclopedia to be verifiable, which means there should be sources discussing how an instrument is part of the genre. If there are no sources, then the parameter should remain blank.
Furthermore, the instruments parameter has no guideline at Template:Infobox music genre, which is unfortunate. Such a guideline would tell us whether to put an exhaustive list of every instrument that can be used in electropop, or only the instruments that appear in 100% of electropop, or somewhere in between those two extremes, for instance, an instrument that appears in a majority of the songs in the genre.
Still, the basic problem is one of finding sources that actually discuss instruments in the genre, not sources that mention instruments in passing—not ones that mention instruments used on a particular song or album. Instead, the sources should be talking about the genre and about typical instruments used in the genre. Binksternet ( talk) 04:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Why there is a "New section" tab link on the regular article for "Electropop"? It really bugs me at all to have a "New section" link on the regular Wikipedia articles?-- 67.101.6.238 ( talk) 11:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The regular article for "Electropop" is not a talk page.-- 67.101.6.238 ( talk) 11:18, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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shouldn't list include anthony rother? he's created lots of cult electronic music, including 'electro pop' album. yeah it should also include kraftwork
There are a lot of artists on that list that are merely pop artists who have taken electropop influences and used them in their own work. A number of them shouldn't be included in a list of "notable electropop musicians". Someone needs to clean up that list. I mean Sugababes and Hilary Duff?!! Christ....
An article that talks about a particular genre of music and gives a list of notable musicians from the genre should be mainly listing artists that have had something substantial to contribute to the genre. If there's a wiki article on jazz music should we then include Christina Aquilera as a "notable jazz musician" because her last album had jazz influences? Strictmachineaddict 10:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)IOI I agree but you are wasting your time on wikipedia, when it comes to music it is too subjective. Most people who are serious technopop/electro fans know what the genre is and they would know that Britney is not electropop. The actual wiki article on Britney classes her as Pop so why is she classed as electrpop here? Sources are important but they must be GOOD sources. I can find a source backing up any opinion but it doesn't make it authoritative. However this small insignificant article is not worth my time.
I did add YMO to list the list but it will probably be removed despite the encyclopedia of popular music listing them as second only to Kraftwerk in terms of pioneering electronic music.
Who says that electropop is a subgenre of synthpop? COuldn't it be exactly the opposite?-- Doktor Who 12:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
The only subgenre SynthPop is New Wave and nothing more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.131.29 ( talk) 23:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Synthpop has become a broader term to indicate a variety of pop made with synths.... so of course electropop falls under that category. Its pop made with synths after all. Having said that "synthpop" should be among the "derivative forms"...not in the "stylistic origins" as it is now. there was NO synthpop before electropop....electropop was the first form of synthpop(and infact in its origin the terms were used as synonymous).
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sequencer07 ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC) x
Regardless of whether it is derived from, there appears to be a general consensus that 'Electropop' shouldn't be listed as a subgenre. Do I have permission then to remove 'Electropop' from the 'Subgenres' section of 'Synthpop'? I have to say though - I'm still happy to push for a merger. POW™ ( talk) 21:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Everything in this article is wrong. -- Dr. Who 01:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree, 1978 - 1981? more like 1978 - 1983 at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.196.223 ( talk) 04:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
i agree with extending it to 1983. the original author of this article confused the futurist movement of 1978-1980 with electropop which actually peaked from 1981 to 1983.(the electropop tag was actually created to break away from experimental "futurism" underlining its pop nature) infact the first bands and records to be defined as electropop by UK media of the time ("Smash Hits" and "Sounds" UK magazines)all date to 1981 : Depeche Mode-speak&spell, Human League Dare (their earlier work fell into "futurism") and SoftCell Non stop Electronic Cabaret. the term stood for Elecronic Pop (POP!) and was heavily in use up to mid 80s all across europe. There was a debate between Human League and OMD on who invented electropop....with OMD claiming they had invented the electropop formula in 1979 with "Electricity" but with other bands dismissing such claim as the song didn't have a fully electronic sound (it didnt have an electronic beat). 1978-1983 covers the whole scenario and accounts for the massive electropop hits which were released up till 1983 (from yazoo "don't go" to eutythmics "sweet dreams" ,depeche mode "get the balance right"...with new order "blue monday" in 1983 closing the era).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sequencer07 ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Please forgive me if I do so incorrectly, but I assume that the only reason Rachel Stevens, Hilary Duff, and Girls Aloud were removed from this article is because they are mainstream artists, but they all release electropop records. Rachel Stevens's Come and Get It is widely regarded as a seminal pop album ( a review), and Hilary Duff's new album is receiving a similar reception. Girls Aloud were one of the acts that brought electropop back into the pop mainstream in 2003-2004.
In short, please don't remove artists and groups from the list because you don't like them, ESPECIALLY when references are given, as opposed to every other artist in the list. 68.185.182.12 07:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but if you're going to list artists in a "notable electropop musicians" list they should have atleast contributed something substantial to the genre as opposed to pop artists who have taken on influences from a genre. What qualifies Rachel Stevens and Hilary Duff as notable electropop musicians? Strictmachineaddict 10:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
MUUUUU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.126.198.110 ( talk) 20:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
How is Lady Gaga and Hillary Duff Electropop. I mean there lyrics arent even Scifi....There even under Synth Pop they can never live along side Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, Human League. Lady Gaga album is too...modern day Hip Hop influenced...She is more Dance Pop out of anything. For female ElectroPop The KNife ok, Goldfrapp ok...but Lady Gaga? Besides most of the mainstream crowd doesnt even know what Electropop is. —Preceding
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User 715.119 is absolutely right. The only people daft enough to lump Lady Gaga, Hilary Duff or any Top 40 pop diva under the electro or synthpop banner, are those so absolutely clueless about the genres that they lump together all music with any remote shred of electronic/synthesized influence. I've seen Britney Spears cited in the Synthpop article as an example of a modern "synthpop revivalist", FFS. What the hell? Now Gaga would, of course, like to fancy herself some cutting edge electro artist inspired by 70s Glam rock, yet you clearly get the impression hearing her music of nothing more than cheesy dance-pop, in a slightly 90s Eurodance vein...and way too heavily influenced by hip-hop. It's just typical mainstream pop bullshit. I swear, NOBODY has any sense of what a genre is anymore. The article gives no serious impression of what an Electropop style consists of. It discusses/lists artists from all over the spectrum of Synth, post-punk, dance AND modern bubblegum pop, with very few examples of distinguishable Electropop given.
--And holy shit, it's Edkollin again! Wow. I KNEW that there was something annoyingly disagreeable about the post above mine. 74.69.64.52 ( talk) 23:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I think Robyn should be in the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.222.50 ( talk) 22:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I think Lily Allen should be mentioned in the "rise of female eletropop" area. Unlike artists like Hillary Duff, Allen has modified her image to fit the electropop sound from her sophomore album, and has implied that her newer electropop sound will be permanent. In addition, there needs to be a citation for "record labels are trying to give male electropop a 'geeky' image." 68.43.83.93 ( talk) 23:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Seriously guys, think about it. Electropop is nothing but a name.. but to call it a genre? Well we have electronica, synthpop, new wave, dance-pop or even club/dance, but why do we need another fake genre that mixes electronica with dance-pop? JaymanJohn ( talk) 07:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Than this article is contradicting itself. The lyrics must be scifi lyrics for it to be Electropop according to this article. I have the LAdy Gaga cd there is nothing scifi about her lyrics. Plus mainstream artist dont even know what it is. Lets leave in the artist that we are 100% sure that they are Electropop. Like HUman League, Depeche Mode, Soft Cell. Ect....there is too much doubt about lady gaga. I might give you Synth pop but she is not electropop whatsoever. People are calling electropop techno music combined with dance pop or Dance pop that has alot of electronic vibe in it. Thats not true electropop music. Also please show proof of these "sources" If theses sources are american than its not saying much because alot of americans dont know what Electropop and maybe even synth pop is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.131.253 ( talk) 14:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, but you shouldn't consider conceding a case for Synthpop either, because she's not. Gaga is dance-pop, and is only labeled differently due to the (pretentious) way that she markets herself combined with the way she dresses. If people merely heard her music without knowing anything about her in a personal/image sense, they would easily come way with the impression of typical radio pop music. Unfortunately, audiences are easy to fool (including "reliable" critics) these days. Good luck with getting Eldkollin to provide proof of those sources of his, though, lol. 74.69.64.52 ( talk) 00:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I am not entirely opposed to the "reliable source rule" by any means, but the problem comes with battles over what's considered reliable. You have often rejected edits that have been presented with many reliable sources. I'm sure the names SPK, Fad Gadget and The Stranglers ring a bell. You will reject submissions without explaining what makes the accompanying sources too "lacking" for your taste, and it frankly gives off vibes of anything but the "neutrality" you champion.
I'm glad that you don't actually agree with the very sources that you use to support certain cases, but you don't think there's a reason for disagreements you and I have with them beyond "just not liking it"? It could be in fact, because of OTHER information that we have encountered. Gaga's wiki article consistently lists her as "electronic" rather than electropop. Allmusic.com doesn't list her under any "electronic music" related banner - just pop, dance r&b. I could present these sources, but then be "overridden" by someone with an Entertainment Weekly article which mentions electropop a few times in a review of her CD. Who decides what's reliable here?
Also, are you saying the Electropop has evolved into a more simple and mainstream, dancey-pop genre? I'm guessing it must have for most of those modern artists listed to qualify. But the article itself doesn't even explain the evolution. It just jumps right ahead into the 2000s naming a bunch of artists who don't remotely fit the definition of the genre given in the article's opening, and whom have nothing in common with the type of artists listed as early Electropoppers. Many of whom (the early artists), oddly enough, are also commonly linked to Synthpop (and even post-punk) music, despite the definition explicitly stating that the two (electro and synth) are not interchangeable. It's just confusing and weak. 74.69.64.52 ( talk) 08:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
I think maybe this article should be split into Electropop and Electropop (2000s genre), because this recent electro pop has very little to do with original electropop, and artists such as Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Timbaland, Pitbull are loosely related to Kraftwerk and the type of music they pioneered in the late 70s. Also, I think there's a need for a separate description box for contemporary electro pop, as it has different roots from original electropop and when someone arrives to the artcile to read about contemporary electropop and reads that Techno developed from electropop, he'll get a bit confused. -- 217.21.43.222 ( talk) 07:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Most genre based music articles have an origin based sub-section, which this article lacks. I suggest we have one here, or at least a paragraph, that can deal more fully and appropriately with the forerunners of the genre, such as "Krautrock" pioneers like Kraftwerk, which is rather lost in the beginning of the History section here.-- SabreBD ( talk) 09:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Are those two the same thing? Synthpop article explains that electropop is "more robotic" than synthpop itself, but doesn't list any sources for such a claim. I've come up with this idea as many synthpop artists are sometimes listed as electropop artists and vice versa. And I've found at least two [reliable] sources, that support my idea:
And you are free to look if there are more sources on the topic here: Google.Books search on: "electro pop" synth pop. -- 82.209.225.13 ( talk) 17:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Where are the sources?-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 05:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
The way the article is written electroclash artists are assumed to be electropop. While they are obviously related in some way is this correct?. Edkollin ( talk) 05:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone keeps saying this genre is mainly popular in the UK. It is not. All the electropop artists come from the UNITED STATES, for example Lady Gaga and Ke$ha. Please fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teachereaseply944 ( talk • contribs) 01:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I live in the US. I know what's popular here, considering I AM A TOP 40/MAINSTREAM RADIO DJ IN THE US. & no. that music is Pop/R&B. & all Lady Gaga's singles have reached #1 on the Pop 100 here, whereas in the UK, only 4 of her singles have reached number 1. Also, our top songs in the US this year have been TiK ToK, for the first THREE MONTHS of the year, followed by the electro song imma be, then Break Your Heart - Taio Cruz, and now Rude Boy - Rihanna. Not to mention, Blah Blah Blah by Ke$ha which peaked at #7 whereas in the UK, it charted only at #11. Then, Your love is my drug, (ke$ha's new shingle) has already gone to number 27 based on radio airplay before it's official release date, due to just airplay, where in the UK it only went to number 63. Also, consider the fact that the two electropop songs "Boom Boom Pow", and I gotta feeling" by the Black eyed peas spent a combined back to back six & a half month run in the US ONLY last year, from the end of march until the middle of October. Then, there is the fact that "3" by Britney Spears debuted at #1 in the US, without having any previous chart position, whereas in the UK, it debuted at only number 7. Lastly, ALL THESE ARTISTS ARE FROM THE US : Ke$ha, Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, The Pussycat Dolls, Britney Spears, Owl City, LMFAO, Adam Lambert, Christina Aguilera, Leighton Meester, Heidi Montag, (yes Leighton Meester & Heidi Montag had TONS & TONS OF REQUESTS AND RADIO AIRPLAY IN THE US.), Usher (who has now switched over to electropop, in the US), & Miley Cyrus, who is releasing a techno album in the US in June, and Flo Rida who uses electropop beats in his songs. Now from what I know, NONE of these artists are doing better with any album / single sales in the UK, then they are doing in the US. (except for bad romance by Lady GaGa & telephone.) (Bad Romance - #2 in US) (Telephone - #3)
So, lets at least say it's mainstream popularity is mainly in the US & UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teachereaseply944 ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I also believe that it should be mentioned that it's more sucessfull in the US. Everyone here likes it, and it pushed R&B/Rap/Rock out of the mainstream in the US ONLY. Also, he right when he says basicly all the artists who make this genre of music are from the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy775433 ( talk • contribs) 01:19, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
yea andy and teacherease are....... yea well as it is one of the biggest genres in America now, its also popular worldwide, not just there so, edkollin should add something about it being popular worldwide, not just in the UK & the US. Because, i am from Canada and it's HUGE here too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indieiseasy ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
The two read almost identical to one another, so merging the two would make logical sense. ---- 71.254.118.175 ( talk) 16:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
mr 86.5.75.208 :"electro and techno are instrumental and nothing to do with pop" hello? this article is about Electropop....not about Pop. electro and techno owe an awoful lot to electropop in terms of SOUND and STYLE. (4/4, electro sound, beats , synth bass, grooves and the futuristic innovative approach) both the electro and techno wiki articles mention synthpop (therefore even more so electropop) in their stylistic origin . and btw there was more than a few electropop& technopop tunes which were instrumentals . in case u didn't know also kraftwerk were labelled as electropop/technopop at the time ;)(in their 19878-1983 period) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.148.66 ( talk) 22:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
The article claims that Pop-Punk is a stylistic origin for electropop which I find dubious since Pop-Punk is a not an electronic genre in anyway. If there is no disagreement about this in the next few days I will delete that claim. Edkollin ( talk) 21:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I haven't been back here for a while, but the Stylist Orig. box used to have separate lists for the 70s-80s incarnation of Electropop and the current incarnation. Now it's just one list which seems more oriented on the modern "Electropop".
And as a side note, I'm pretty sure I've seen this "genre" listed in the Wikipedia profile of every commercially successful artist and song from the last 5 years. Does anyone know where the sudden obsession with this term originated? Theburning25 ( talk) 13:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
The will be removed 00:00 +8H GMT due to flooding and confusion with this article. No opposition needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.32.154 ( talk) 00:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
without first addressing the issues highlighted. -- Semitransgenic ( talk) 12:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
significant overlap, no citations to support the notion that this is somehow a "genre" distinct from synthpop. See here for possible reason for this confusion, it boils down to a difference in journalistic terminology used in the US at the time, relative to that employed in the UK (the latter being the main exporter of synthpop in the early 80s). It is exactly the same genre of the music that is being referred to, but if someone can come up with valid citations that support a clear distinction, all the better. -- Semitransgenic ( talk) 12:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I've never done this before, so please forgive me for any formatting errors. I've currently been doing an assignment on Electropop, and coincidentally, the differences from Synthpop. Now, I've not found much, but the only definitive source which differentiates between the two is [2]. However, after listening to pieces listed as either for some time, there IS a slight difference in sound-based texture. Unlike the articles given, I find that synth-pop further exploits the sensation of artificiality, and generally electro-pop is more melodic. This is not definitive, and an actual musicologist should be found. In any case, a merger would severely mess up the information I am compiling right now, which I may share if I remember once I finish. To also mess things further up, t should also be noted that this [3] info. states electropop and disco as the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.230.167 ( talk) 12:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Synthpop has another term, motorpop, but it's rarely used, so, it's disregarded usually. 121.54.32.133 ( talk) 04:36, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Dance-Pop - Carly Rae Jepsen Katy Perry Demi Lovato Selena Gomez
Synth-Pop - Tegan and Sara Owl City Ellie Goulding Robyn
Electro Pop - Lady Gaga Britney Spears Charli XCX Girls Generation Cascada(circ.2009)
Electroclash - Fischerspooner Scissor Sisters (early)
Electro House - Martin Garrix Zedd Robin Porter Deadmau5
Electro - Afrika Bambaataa
Electronica - Kraftwerk Boards of Canada Brian Eno
Just so no one merges this page with any of these genres because they are totally different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshirisu ( talk • contribs) 01:39, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Whoever merged Electropop with Synthpop is completely wrong. The genres are considerably different in their sounds,origins, and production. If anything should be merged with Synthpop it should be New Wave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoshirisu ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your contributions.
The instruments parameter in the infobox should contain the instruments that are verifiably part of the genre. Wikipedia requires all information in the encyclopedia to be verifiable, which means there should be sources discussing how an instrument is part of the genre. If there are no sources, then the parameter should remain blank.
Furthermore, the instruments parameter has no guideline at Template:Infobox music genre, which is unfortunate. Such a guideline would tell us whether to put an exhaustive list of every instrument that can be used in electropop, or only the instruments that appear in 100% of electropop, or somewhere in between those two extremes, for instance, an instrument that appears in a majority of the songs in the genre.
Still, the basic problem is one of finding sources that actually discuss instruments in the genre, not sources that mention instruments in passing—not ones that mention instruments used on a particular song or album. Instead, the sources should be talking about the genre and about typical instruments used in the genre. Binksternet ( talk) 04:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Why there is a "New section" tab link on the regular article for "Electropop"? It really bugs me at all to have a "New section" link on the regular Wikipedia articles?-- 67.101.6.238 ( talk) 11:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The regular article for "Electropop" is not a talk page.-- 67.101.6.238 ( talk) 11:18, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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