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That's what EBM is. Bands like Front 242, early Skinny Puppy, and early Ministry exhibit this. While later bands like VNV Nation, Covenant, and Apoptygma Berzerk continued the tradition. EBM is pure industrial music (synths, heavy beat, no guitars) with lyrics set in a pop structure... it's a fairly basic genre that encompasses a lot.... the definitions on this page actually overcomplicate it.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 04:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
APB was a synthpop group. I remember, there was an EBM-like track called Electronic Warfare on the maxi Deep Red. And the collection Apocalyptic Manifesto includes a track called Lidelsens Mening, which has an strong Industrial music influence. But most of their tracks are Synthpop/Rock/Futurepop. Listen to the EBM samples. Do you really think that bands such as Nitzer, Krupps, Force Dimension, Pouppee Fabrikk or DRP sound like Covenant or VNV Nation? I agree that the Covenant debut Dreams of a Cryotank has a strong EBM influence, but most of their stuff is strongly influenced by the techno music of the 1990s (listen to Figurehead). In fact, their second album Sequencer is a pre-Futurepop album. -- Ada Kataki ( talk) 17:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
There are also other songs that are typical for EBM. It doesn't sounds to me like Futurepop. EBM has a more rough Post-punk/Post-industrial atmosphere than a trancey Synthpop sound. -- Ada Kataki ( talk) 01:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
You could only differentiate between "real" and "not real" EBM if a source said so. Even then the article would have to go into how conflicting defdinitions of the genre exist. A good compromise would be a differentiation based on bands from the mid to late 90s that were described as part of an "eveolving version of EBM". This would fit with the sources.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 04:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is not bad at all but unfortunatelly I miss some lines about the revival of EBM nowadays. It only contains a few lines about notable djs (like DJ Hell) which are influenced by Oldschool EBM, but there are no discussion about the Anhalt bands which are bringing elements of Oldschool EBM back nowadays. Tyske Ludder and Spetsnaz were mentioned, but a complete article regarding EBM should deal with German and Swedish scene incluind bands like Sequenz-e, ELITE!, Container 90, Jäger 90, Sturm Cafe, Kommando XY, SPARK!, Menticide, Judge: Dred; Frontal, Darkmen and A.D.A.C 8286. If labels like Wax Trax! and Zoth Ommog have been mentioned as the most influential labels for Oldschool EBM in the past (and they were indeed), Electric Tremor Dessau cannot be forgot as a label which are leading this EBM revival with those Anhalt bands. I am sure that the mix of Punk and Oi! music elements (a non-electronic music influence) to Oldschool EBM had nothing to do with this lack in the article.
Another point is missing: I really think that an article regarding EBM should deal with the controversy imagens of political stuff in EBM scene. I am one of those guys who believe that EBM has nothing to do with political discussion per se and at all, but it is a fact that people use to spread rumors about some EBM bands being nazi/fascists ou commies (specially because of some lyrics and symbols adopted by Oldschool bands and some dresscode used by Anhalt newcomers, which is pretty similar to Oi!/Skinhead deal). A clarification of this wrong idea which can mislead newcomers is needed.
A last point which is missing: maybe it could be interesting mention that EBM is actually a kind of Industrial music indeed as F242 guys always say. Actually, Industrial Dance, as the term Industrial used to be commonly applied to those artists envolved with Industrial Records and Thrrobbing Gristle fashion during 70's. In fact, Industrial Dance is a synonimus for Oldschool EBM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TechnologicalError ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree :EBM is not a kind of Industrial Music. I really wish the terms would be separated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.73.39 ( talk) 02:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
and what's with all the talk of electropunk... this is a term that was invented in 1999 to retroactively describe some bands... how can you say you're trying to be a purist about the original roots of EBM and use this term which was invented after the fact... thatl;s a huge contradiction. The text of this page is largely uncited and it needs a rewrite.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 04:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
To the IP editor who has been removing the "Futurepop" information from this article: I have initiated a discussion at Talk:Futurepop#Reverts regarding your edits. Please feel free to respond there, as I will not be watching this space. Also, please try to maintain civility in your edit summaries. Your recent summaries, with their rants and vulgarities, are inappropriate to Wikipedia and do not encourage other editors to take your contributions seriously. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 19:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Other editor are, of course, also invited to contribute to the linked discussion, as it pertains to the content of this article as well. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 23:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
For those engaged in the current edit war, please come here and discuss your differences so that this madness can stop.
Spitfire19 (
Talk) 22:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Just an observation, but the IP involved in this edit war seems to bear quite a bit of similarity to banned user User:Breathtaker -- Gamecat42 ( talk) 19:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
There have been some arguments about this article, and that always happens when something is poorly sourced.
All the 'allmusic' stuff isn't good.
I've found several books which have good info and are available online: [2] [3] [4] [5]
If information from those sources could be added, it would certainly help.
Also, it's worth looking at some better examples of this type of article;
...has only 20 search engine results. It's obviously cooked up by some dubious journalist guy who smoked too much weed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.96.206.249 ( talk) 10:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ Binksternet: just a heads up... an anonymous user operating from various IP addresses in Germany (such as 178.11.254.97 and 188.96.206.249) continues to revert sourced information on this page with no attempt to provide citations to justify their actions. gentlecollapse6 ( talk) 15:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Really..? Is that a position the vast majority of the population would take if they sampled some EBM music and saw how people that listen to EBM tend to dress, saw where they tend to hang out, and so on? This leads to the question: Who is the authority on what EBM is and whether it's related to the word "goth"? Is it the majority of the human population? Is it the people that regularly listen to EBM music? Is it the people that care the most? Or is it simply the people that edit this article the most? Who is the authority? Who gets to make that arbitrary call? I just think it's funny that someone would hold the position that EBM is completely unrelated to goth. But that's what these sort of micro-categorizations, like "EBM" lead to, anyway: people looking at extremely subtle differences between things. Pulseczar ( talk) 15:05, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Rivethead has nothing to do with ebm, it's an industrial term. Can we please remove that?
Again, Patrick Codenys clearly stated that Front 242 had nothing to do with Disco music. They never described their music as Disco! There is no real connection between EBM and Disco...
I Feel Love by Giorgio Moroder and Donna Summer is the only track that has ever been mentioned in music literature. This track is based on a Krautrock bassline that was programmed by Robert Wedel of Popol Vuh. At the time, Moroder was a big fan of Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream and related stuff. He tried to blend the electronic ingredients of Krautrock / Berlin School with his regular Disco stuff. That's the entire story. And that's the only reason why it sounds so futuristic.
Gabi Delgado-Lopez of DAF is the only guy within the EBM context who really fell in love with this track. The Disco influence is completely overrated and almost nonexistent in EBM. Important is the Krautrock / Berlin School influence, represented by its repetitive bass sequences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.3.103.178 ( talk) 01:12, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
This is so plain stupid, i wanna puke. You people obviously don't know how Disco music sounds like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.3.231 ( talk) 23:25, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
WSKU is (apparently) in Little Falls, New York. WKSU is in Kent, Ohio. I couldn't tell which station it really was-- whether they copied the call letters correctly or the location correctly. The archive.org link immediately redirects to the root directory of that website, as does every other interview_NNN.php link on the interviews page. Then, simply pulling the file such as with wget or view-source: https://web.archive.org/web/20070212045644/http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/interview_108.php allows one to read the interview. There is just one reference to Kent, Ohio and repeated indications of "WSKU" as the one asking questions, but at the end, Ralf Hütter said: "Yes, thank you for talking to you and say hello and "auf wieder sehen" to all your people in Ohio." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.87.21 ( talk) 10:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
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That's what EBM is. Bands like Front 242, early Skinny Puppy, and early Ministry exhibit this. While later bands like VNV Nation, Covenant, and Apoptygma Berzerk continued the tradition. EBM is pure industrial music (synths, heavy beat, no guitars) with lyrics set in a pop structure... it's a fairly basic genre that encompasses a lot.... the definitions on this page actually overcomplicate it.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 04:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
APB was a synthpop group. I remember, there was an EBM-like track called Electronic Warfare on the maxi Deep Red. And the collection Apocalyptic Manifesto includes a track called Lidelsens Mening, which has an strong Industrial music influence. But most of their tracks are Synthpop/Rock/Futurepop. Listen to the EBM samples. Do you really think that bands such as Nitzer, Krupps, Force Dimension, Pouppee Fabrikk or DRP sound like Covenant or VNV Nation? I agree that the Covenant debut Dreams of a Cryotank has a strong EBM influence, but most of their stuff is strongly influenced by the techno music of the 1990s (listen to Figurehead). In fact, their second album Sequencer is a pre-Futurepop album. -- Ada Kataki ( talk) 17:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
There are also other songs that are typical for EBM. It doesn't sounds to me like Futurepop. EBM has a more rough Post-punk/Post-industrial atmosphere than a trancey Synthpop sound. -- Ada Kataki ( talk) 01:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
You could only differentiate between "real" and "not real" EBM if a source said so. Even then the article would have to go into how conflicting defdinitions of the genre exist. A good compromise would be a differentiation based on bands from the mid to late 90s that were described as part of an "eveolving version of EBM". This would fit with the sources.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 04:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is not bad at all but unfortunatelly I miss some lines about the revival of EBM nowadays. It only contains a few lines about notable djs (like DJ Hell) which are influenced by Oldschool EBM, but there are no discussion about the Anhalt bands which are bringing elements of Oldschool EBM back nowadays. Tyske Ludder and Spetsnaz were mentioned, but a complete article regarding EBM should deal with German and Swedish scene incluind bands like Sequenz-e, ELITE!, Container 90, Jäger 90, Sturm Cafe, Kommando XY, SPARK!, Menticide, Judge: Dred; Frontal, Darkmen and A.D.A.C 8286. If labels like Wax Trax! and Zoth Ommog have been mentioned as the most influential labels for Oldschool EBM in the past (and they were indeed), Electric Tremor Dessau cannot be forgot as a label which are leading this EBM revival with those Anhalt bands. I am sure that the mix of Punk and Oi! music elements (a non-electronic music influence) to Oldschool EBM had nothing to do with this lack in the article.
Another point is missing: I really think that an article regarding EBM should deal with the controversy imagens of political stuff in EBM scene. I am one of those guys who believe that EBM has nothing to do with political discussion per se and at all, but it is a fact that people use to spread rumors about some EBM bands being nazi/fascists ou commies (specially because of some lyrics and symbols adopted by Oldschool bands and some dresscode used by Anhalt newcomers, which is pretty similar to Oi!/Skinhead deal). A clarification of this wrong idea which can mislead newcomers is needed.
A last point which is missing: maybe it could be interesting mention that EBM is actually a kind of Industrial music indeed as F242 guys always say. Actually, Industrial Dance, as the term Industrial used to be commonly applied to those artists envolved with Industrial Records and Thrrobbing Gristle fashion during 70's. In fact, Industrial Dance is a synonimus for Oldschool EBM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TechnologicalError ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree :EBM is not a kind of Industrial Music. I really wish the terms would be separated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.73.39 ( talk) 02:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
and what's with all the talk of electropunk... this is a term that was invented in 1999 to retroactively describe some bands... how can you say you're trying to be a purist about the original roots of EBM and use this term which was invented after the fact... thatl;s a huge contradiction. The text of this page is largely uncited and it needs a rewrite.-- Dr who1975 ( talk) 04:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
To the IP editor who has been removing the "Futurepop" information from this article: I have initiated a discussion at Talk:Futurepop#Reverts regarding your edits. Please feel free to respond there, as I will not be watching this space. Also, please try to maintain civility in your edit summaries. Your recent summaries, with their rants and vulgarities, are inappropriate to Wikipedia and do not encourage other editors to take your contributions seriously. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 19:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Other editor are, of course, also invited to contribute to the linked discussion, as it pertains to the content of this article as well. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 23:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
For those engaged in the current edit war, please come here and discuss your differences so that this madness can stop.
Spitfire19 (
Talk) 22:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Just an observation, but the IP involved in this edit war seems to bear quite a bit of similarity to banned user User:Breathtaker -- Gamecat42 ( talk) 19:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
There have been some arguments about this article, and that always happens when something is poorly sourced.
All the 'allmusic' stuff isn't good.
I've found several books which have good info and are available online: [2] [3] [4] [5]
If information from those sources could be added, it would certainly help.
Also, it's worth looking at some better examples of this type of article;
...has only 20 search engine results. It's obviously cooked up by some dubious journalist guy who smoked too much weed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.96.206.249 ( talk) 10:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ Binksternet: just a heads up... an anonymous user operating from various IP addresses in Germany (such as 178.11.254.97 and 188.96.206.249) continues to revert sourced information on this page with no attempt to provide citations to justify their actions. gentlecollapse6 ( talk) 15:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Really..? Is that a position the vast majority of the population would take if they sampled some EBM music and saw how people that listen to EBM tend to dress, saw where they tend to hang out, and so on? This leads to the question: Who is the authority on what EBM is and whether it's related to the word "goth"? Is it the majority of the human population? Is it the people that regularly listen to EBM music? Is it the people that care the most? Or is it simply the people that edit this article the most? Who is the authority? Who gets to make that arbitrary call? I just think it's funny that someone would hold the position that EBM is completely unrelated to goth. But that's what these sort of micro-categorizations, like "EBM" lead to, anyway: people looking at extremely subtle differences between things. Pulseczar ( talk) 15:05, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Rivethead has nothing to do with ebm, it's an industrial term. Can we please remove that?
Again, Patrick Codenys clearly stated that Front 242 had nothing to do with Disco music. They never described their music as Disco! There is no real connection between EBM and Disco...
I Feel Love by Giorgio Moroder and Donna Summer is the only track that has ever been mentioned in music literature. This track is based on a Krautrock bassline that was programmed by Robert Wedel of Popol Vuh. At the time, Moroder was a big fan of Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream and related stuff. He tried to blend the electronic ingredients of Krautrock / Berlin School with his regular Disco stuff. That's the entire story. And that's the only reason why it sounds so futuristic.
Gabi Delgado-Lopez of DAF is the only guy within the EBM context who really fell in love with this track. The Disco influence is completely overrated and almost nonexistent in EBM. Important is the Krautrock / Berlin School influence, represented by its repetitive bass sequences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.3.103.178 ( talk) 01:12, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
This is so plain stupid, i wanna puke. You people obviously don't know how Disco music sounds like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.3.231 ( talk) 23:25, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
WSKU is (apparently) in Little Falls, New York. WKSU is in Kent, Ohio. I couldn't tell which station it really was-- whether they copied the call letters correctly or the location correctly. The archive.org link immediately redirects to the root directory of that website, as does every other interview_NNN.php link on the interviews page. Then, simply pulling the file such as with wget or view-source: https://web.archive.org/web/20070212045644/http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/interview_108.php allows one to read the interview. There is just one reference to Kent, Ohio and repeated indications of "WSKU" as the one asking questions, but at the end, Ralf Hütter said: "Yes, thank you for talking to you and say hello and "auf wieder sehen" to all your people in Ohio." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.87.21 ( talk) 10:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)