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Hello, this is an excellent job! Given your work plan, I have the following comments:
-Overall, I think you did a great job with structure -Language seems neutral, no opinions identified -Sometimes the choice between using jargon and lay terms is not consistent (e.g., "heart and neurological," can change to "heart and nervous system; "patient management in medicine-->" "patient management in a hospital"; "low blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmias"; will highlight more of these later for you) -It seems you added a section on chloride and magnesium but not some of the others (lead, bicarb, phosphate); these are off to a good start -I like there being a section specific to diet -It seems you comment on the relevant organs involved for all expect sodium, worth adding a sentence there? 76jualendal ( talk) 17:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I will be involved in editing this page as part of a wiki course. I've included my workplan and would love feedback or suggestions to make sure my work is as impactful as possible.
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Brightlybright ( talk) 06:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
-- Acline94 ( talk) 20:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan!
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Emilybrennan (
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14:07, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I added a section on sodium imbalances. I am still working on this section and will plan to add section for hyponatremia later today. Any and all feedback appreciated. Thanks! -- Acline94 ( talk) 15:24, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi @ Acline94: see my review of your article here: Electrolyte_imbalance_Peer_Review Good job on the article! Gklap ( talk) 15:13, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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Overall the lead is well written. It gives an overarching view of the article without being too specific and bogged with details. The last 3 sentences do include specific cases (i.e. bulimia, refeeding syndrome) that might make more sense if they were moved to the body of the article or at least elaborated upon there.
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The content that is included is well written and on topic for the article. To round out the article, more content should be added on other types of electrolyte imbalances (i.e. hyponatremia, hypercalcemia, hyperkalemia, etc.). As mentioned above, it would also be useful to include some specific diseases / cases that pertain to electrolyte imbalances (i.e. bulimia, refeeding syndrome) in the body of the article.
- Information included in the 2nd paragraph under General Function header may be more appropriate to include in the lead or piecemeal as you address the different types of electrolyte imbalances.
- Would edit the following sentence to account for the different permutations of both volume status (hyper and hypovolemia) has well as electrolyte status (hyper and hyponatremia).
"However, if the electrolyte involved is sodium, the issue is not a deficiency of sodium, but rather a water excess, causing the imbalance."
Guiding questions:
The tone and balance are appropriate. The article is primarily based on well regarded textbooks and review articles. Basic electrolyte management is not a particularly controversial topic in medicine so there are generally not major disputes on this topic.
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The sources and references are up to date and appropriate. The main sources are review articles and textbooks.
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The organization is logical. The causes, symptoms, treatment sub-headers are a nice way to organize each electrolyte disorder.
N/A - no images in this article
N/A - this is not a new article
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The article is well written, and the content that was added is appropriate. The section on hypernatremia is well organized. As mentioned above, the article needs to be longer. There are other electrolyte imbalances that need to be included for this article to be complete.
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Gklap ( talk) 18:50, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Most of the articles linked from the table are stubs at this stage. I plan to standardise and expand all of these as time permits. -- FirstPrinciples 03:19, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
The style for articles is to define the term in the first sentence, and not back into it with a discussion. -- NameThatWorks 15:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Here we have lots of scientific info and no references. I take particular issue with the following proclamation.
This appears to contradict the information in the next paragraph:
I bet these conditions are more common than renal failure. Therefore I feel that the first statement is alarmist. Anyway, since when was Wikipedia in the business of offering diagnoses? I intend to investigate and possibly remove this statement since it seems false. Neoprote ( talk) 18:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe you may be incorrect, this statement is correct, as the primary causes of sodium imbalances are caused by rapid excretion of sodium from the body and also rapid alterations to the individuals fluid balance. Therefore this statement is not alarmist — Preceding unsigned comment added by AJH0014 ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Maybe not alarmist, but definitely inaccurate. You mention sodium imbalance. Much more common are potassium and magnesium imbalance, the causes of which include metabolic disorders, cancer, dehydration, nutrient malabsorption, use or abuse of diuretics, alcohol, steroids, amphetamines etc. Also marathon runners sweat out electrolytes and sometimes over drink water. Even stress can cause a drop in potassium and magnesium. A lot of otherwise healthy people admitted to hospital with cardiac arrhythmias are found to have electrolyte problems not resulting from renal failure. Starvation is also a cause, including in cases of eating disorders. Renal failure is quite UNcommon, wheras the cases I mentioned above present regularly in emergency rooms. Medication happens to be the most common cause, and I CAN find citations for that. If no citation is forthcoming for the above statement, which I am almost certain is incorrect, I will be editing this with reliable sources. 21stcenturypolitix ( talk) 11:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
This article lists calcium as one of the electrolytes that can be imbalanced. I think it would make sense to add a link to the article on hypercalcaemia to the See Also section. Hypercalcaemia, is the overabundance of calcium in the body.
/info/en/?search=Hypercalcaemia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.115.13.130 ( talk) 12:09, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
The most common cause of hyperkalemia is lab error due to potassium released as blood cells from the sample break down. -- this sounds like it's describing a case where a test says the patient has hyperkalemia, but it's a false positive because the lab screwed up and the sample broke down before or partway through the test. Hence, the patient doesn't actually have hyperkalemia. If this meaning is correct, it shouldn't be described as "the most common cause of hyperkalemia," but as "the most common cause of a positive test for hyperkalemia," and even that I'd adjust to explain what's really going on, like: False positives are common while testing for hyperkalemia; they can occur when potassium is released as blood cells from the sample break down. This type of lab error accounts for the most common cause of a positive test for hyperkalemia or something (my phrasing is awkward and I'm not sure of the science/details).
If, however, the lab error is something that induces hyperkalemia in the patient (e.g. prescribing the wrong drugs), the above sentence is not describing this well, and should be adjusted to describe what is really going on. Kilyle ( talk) 07:11, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
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This talk page was moved from Water-electrolyte imbalance
Hello, this is an excellent job! Given your work plan, I have the following comments:
-Overall, I think you did a great job with structure -Language seems neutral, no opinions identified -Sometimes the choice between using jargon and lay terms is not consistent (e.g., "heart and neurological," can change to "heart and nervous system; "patient management in medicine-->" "patient management in a hospital"; "low blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmias"; will highlight more of these later for you) -It seems you added a section on chloride and magnesium but not some of the others (lead, bicarb, phosphate); these are off to a good start -I like there being a section specific to diet -It seems you comment on the relevant organs involved for all expect sodium, worth adding a sentence there? 76jualendal ( talk) 17:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I will be involved in editing this page as part of a wiki course. I've included my workplan and would love feedback or suggestions to make sure my work is as impactful as possible.
Overall
Lead
Content
Sources
Brightlybright ( talk) 06:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
-- Acline94 ( talk) 20:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan!
--
Emilybrennan (
talk)
14:07, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I added a section on sodium imbalances. I am still working on this section and will plan to add section for hyponatremia later today. Any and all feedback appreciated. Thanks! -- Acline94 ( talk) 15:24, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi @ Acline94: see my review of your article here: Electrolyte_imbalance_Peer_Review Good job on the article! Gklap ( talk) 15:13, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
References
Guiding questions:
Overall the lead is well written. It gives an overarching view of the article without being too specific and bogged with details. The last 3 sentences do include specific cases (i.e. bulimia, refeeding syndrome) that might make more sense if they were moved to the body of the article or at least elaborated upon there.
Guiding questions:
The content that is included is well written and on topic for the article. To round out the article, more content should be added on other types of electrolyte imbalances (i.e. hyponatremia, hypercalcemia, hyperkalemia, etc.). As mentioned above, it would also be useful to include some specific diseases / cases that pertain to electrolyte imbalances (i.e. bulimia, refeeding syndrome) in the body of the article.
- Information included in the 2nd paragraph under General Function header may be more appropriate to include in the lead or piecemeal as you address the different types of electrolyte imbalances.
- Would edit the following sentence to account for the different permutations of both volume status (hyper and hypovolemia) has well as electrolyte status (hyper and hyponatremia).
"However, if the electrolyte involved is sodium, the issue is not a deficiency of sodium, but rather a water excess, causing the imbalance."
Guiding questions:
The tone and balance are appropriate. The article is primarily based on well regarded textbooks and review articles. Basic electrolyte management is not a particularly controversial topic in medicine so there are generally not major disputes on this topic.
Guiding questions:
The sources and references are up to date and appropriate. The main sources are review articles and textbooks.
Guiding questions:
The organization is logical. The causes, symptoms, treatment sub-headers are a nice way to organize each electrolyte disorder.
N/A - no images in this article
N/A - this is not a new article
Guiding questions:
The article is well written, and the content that was added is appropriate. The section on hypernatremia is well organized. As mentioned above, the article needs to be longer. There are other electrolyte imbalances that need to be included for this article to be complete.
~~~~~
Gklap ( talk) 18:50, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Most of the articles linked from the table are stubs at this stage. I plan to standardise and expand all of these as time permits. -- FirstPrinciples 03:19, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
The style for articles is to define the term in the first sentence, and not back into it with a discussion. -- NameThatWorks 15:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Here we have lots of scientific info and no references. I take particular issue with the following proclamation.
This appears to contradict the information in the next paragraph:
I bet these conditions are more common than renal failure. Therefore I feel that the first statement is alarmist. Anyway, since when was Wikipedia in the business of offering diagnoses? I intend to investigate and possibly remove this statement since it seems false. Neoprote ( talk) 18:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe you may be incorrect, this statement is correct, as the primary causes of sodium imbalances are caused by rapid excretion of sodium from the body and also rapid alterations to the individuals fluid balance. Therefore this statement is not alarmist — Preceding unsigned comment added by AJH0014 ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Maybe not alarmist, but definitely inaccurate. You mention sodium imbalance. Much more common are potassium and magnesium imbalance, the causes of which include metabolic disorders, cancer, dehydration, nutrient malabsorption, use or abuse of diuretics, alcohol, steroids, amphetamines etc. Also marathon runners sweat out electrolytes and sometimes over drink water. Even stress can cause a drop in potassium and magnesium. A lot of otherwise healthy people admitted to hospital with cardiac arrhythmias are found to have electrolyte problems not resulting from renal failure. Starvation is also a cause, including in cases of eating disorders. Renal failure is quite UNcommon, wheras the cases I mentioned above present regularly in emergency rooms. Medication happens to be the most common cause, and I CAN find citations for that. If no citation is forthcoming for the above statement, which I am almost certain is incorrect, I will be editing this with reliable sources. 21stcenturypolitix ( talk) 11:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
This article lists calcium as one of the electrolytes that can be imbalanced. I think it would make sense to add a link to the article on hypercalcaemia to the See Also section. Hypercalcaemia, is the overabundance of calcium in the body.
/info/en/?search=Hypercalcaemia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.115.13.130 ( talk) 12:09, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
The most common cause of hyperkalemia is lab error due to potassium released as blood cells from the sample break down. -- this sounds like it's describing a case where a test says the patient has hyperkalemia, but it's a false positive because the lab screwed up and the sample broke down before or partway through the test. Hence, the patient doesn't actually have hyperkalemia. If this meaning is correct, it shouldn't be described as "the most common cause of hyperkalemia," but as "the most common cause of a positive test for hyperkalemia," and even that I'd adjust to explain what's really going on, like: False positives are common while testing for hyperkalemia; they can occur when potassium is released as blood cells from the sample break down. This type of lab error accounts for the most common cause of a positive test for hyperkalemia or something (my phrasing is awkward and I'm not sure of the science/details).
If, however, the lab error is something that induces hyperkalemia in the patient (e.g. prescribing the wrong drugs), the above sentence is not describing this well, and should be adjusted to describe what is really going on. Kilyle ( talk) 07:11, 11 February 2021 (UTC)