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More photographs please!
As they say, a photograph is worth a thousand words. This article would benefit from more photographs, in particular showing more mature reefs. We also need more photos for the
Biorock article showing the growth of the Biorock material itself. If you can help please add images or leave a message here saying you have some available. Thanks.
PeterEastern (
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10:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
I propose to move the article to 'electrified reef' which appears to be the preferred title for the subject of the article. I will leave this comment here for a few days before initiating a move.
PeterEastern (
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16:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)reply
When I requested feedback on this article from an expert in the field this is what they said:
"If you’re want to make this article more robust, then reference [7] (Goreau, Thomas J. F.; Prong, Paulus (December 2017). "Biorock Electric Reefs Grow Back Severely Eroded Beaches in Months". Journal of Marine Science and Engineering. 5 (4): 48. doi:10.3390/jmse5040048) is extremely poor and should be removed. There is no way, as he state, that the installation of the Electrical Reefs grew back the sand in a few months. First of all his structures were large piles of rocks within gabion sacks – hardly BioRock. Second the seasonal variability of sand on a beach could have caused much of changes he reports, or even just a favourable storm (which can add to or remove large quantities of sand). I’ve no doubt the rocks he installed will have had an impact, but you would have to access their impact over a number of year rather than a few months. The electrolytic contribution (biorock) to this sand recovery will also have been negligible (much less than 1%)".
The challenge is that reference 7 is used widely within the article. I will make some of the more obvious changes to the article based on this feedback now, but in time we may need to remove all references to
Noted. Much of the information quoting reference 7 is found in Dr. Thomas J. Goreau's book Innovative Methods of Marine Ecosystem Restoration. Most citations of reference 7 can be replaced with it. Said book is currently references 5 and 6, which need to be merged. I have a copy of the book and can make the corrections.
Also, I am in contact with Dr. Thomas J. Goreau. I will ask him for clarification on the issues you pointed out. I believe he has more recent data and papers on the growth of the beaches in question.
CompyN (
talk)
20:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)reply
The difference is that the Biorock article covers the process and chemistry of creating limestone from seawater using electricity, the many and various uses for which it was considered, how it was discovered and the patents and trademark that formerly restricted its use. One of these uses, and the only one to date that has got any traction to my knowledge is the one to create an
electrified reef. Personally I found it helpful to pull these articles apart, one for the generic (formerly patented and trademarked) process and its many uses and chemistry, and the other for the specific purpose of creating a reef. I have asked a few people in the sector for this opinion and got this favourable responses to my edits. One said I’ve no real comments to make on the Biorock article. It seems like an appropriate history of Professor Hilbertz work. Personally I would like to now leave these articles alone for a while and move on to other subjects which are in more need of love and attention.
PeterEastern (
talk)
10:38, 25 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Do also note the topic on
Talk:Biorock where I proposed the split back in December 2020.
This article is part of WikiProject Marine life, an attempt at creating a standardized, informative, comprehensive and easy-to-use resource on
marine life. If you would like to participate, you can choose to edit this article, or visit the
project page where you can join the project and/or contribute to the
discussion. This project is an offshoot of the WikiProject Tree of Life.Marine lifeWikipedia:WikiProject Marine lifeTemplate:WikiProject Marine lifeMarine life articles
Other: Add {{Portal|Marine life}} to related articles
More photographs please!
As they say, a photograph is worth a thousand words. This article would benefit from more photographs, in particular showing more mature reefs. We also need more photos for the
Biorock article showing the growth of the Biorock material itself. If you can help please add images or leave a message here saying you have some available. Thanks.
PeterEastern (
talk)
10:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
I propose to move the article to 'electrified reef' which appears to be the preferred title for the subject of the article. I will leave this comment here for a few days before initiating a move.
PeterEastern (
talk)
16:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)reply
When I requested feedback on this article from an expert in the field this is what they said:
"If you’re want to make this article more robust, then reference [7] (Goreau, Thomas J. F.; Prong, Paulus (December 2017). "Biorock Electric Reefs Grow Back Severely Eroded Beaches in Months". Journal of Marine Science and Engineering. 5 (4): 48. doi:10.3390/jmse5040048) is extremely poor and should be removed. There is no way, as he state, that the installation of the Electrical Reefs grew back the sand in a few months. First of all his structures were large piles of rocks within gabion sacks – hardly BioRock. Second the seasonal variability of sand on a beach could have caused much of changes he reports, or even just a favourable storm (which can add to or remove large quantities of sand). I’ve no doubt the rocks he installed will have had an impact, but you would have to access their impact over a number of year rather than a few months. The electrolytic contribution (biorock) to this sand recovery will also have been negligible (much less than 1%)".
The challenge is that reference 7 is used widely within the article. I will make some of the more obvious changes to the article based on this feedback now, but in time we may need to remove all references to
Noted. Much of the information quoting reference 7 is found in Dr. Thomas J. Goreau's book Innovative Methods of Marine Ecosystem Restoration. Most citations of reference 7 can be replaced with it. Said book is currently references 5 and 6, which need to be merged. I have a copy of the book and can make the corrections.
Also, I am in contact with Dr. Thomas J. Goreau. I will ask him for clarification on the issues you pointed out. I believe he has more recent data and papers on the growth of the beaches in question.
CompyN (
talk)
20:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)reply
The difference is that the Biorock article covers the process and chemistry of creating limestone from seawater using electricity, the many and various uses for which it was considered, how it was discovered and the patents and trademark that formerly restricted its use. One of these uses, and the only one to date that has got any traction to my knowledge is the one to create an
electrified reef. Personally I found it helpful to pull these articles apart, one for the generic (formerly patented and trademarked) process and its many uses and chemistry, and the other for the specific purpose of creating a reef. I have asked a few people in the sector for this opinion and got this favourable responses to my edits. One said I’ve no real comments to make on the Biorock article. It seems like an appropriate history of Professor Hilbertz work. Personally I would like to now leave these articles alone for a while and move on to other subjects which are in more need of love and attention.
PeterEastern (
talk)
10:38, 25 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Do also note the topic on
Talk:Biorock where I proposed the split back in December 2020.