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Hi,
For the subfields section, I've converted to a new format that is a combination of the two previous ones. The last one I felt did not emphasise the subfields enough. I hope this is a satisfactory compromise.
Sincerely,
Cedars 02:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Articles are promoted by User:Raul654 if consensus to promote is achieved in the nomination and all actionable objections are resolved. The article can still be edited like before but major edits should be discussed (just as they probably should have been before the nomination). Cedars 01:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
In autumn 2005, I wrote the main part of the history of electrical engineering. This description of the history is currently part of the article. A brief depiction of the beginning of electrical engineering at different universities worldwide is included. However, the part of the first chair of electrical engineering worldwide founded at the Darmstadt University of Technology in 1882 was cancelled twice. I added this part once again in order to give a correct and impartial survey. I hope that other authors also intend to write their contributions in an impartial style. Adamy 9:47, 17 March 2006 (MEZ)
Yes, lets merge it into the the Computer engineering para of this article to get it out of the way!-- Light current 14:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The size of elec eng has not been increased, because all the stuff on electrical and computer engineering was already there anyway. It is sometimes done by EEs and this is all the electrical engineering article is saying. If it is also done by non EEs, thats what the CpE article should say. You will notice that computer engineering has its own page. All we have done is to remove the rare case of electrical and computer engineering as a subject with its own page. As to the quality of the computer engineering article: if it aint good enough, improve it!-- Light current 03:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-03-26 03:17Z
Just because a university merges majors does not mean that they are not two distinct areas. Computer engineering is a realm unto itself.
@ 2006-03-28 05:47Z
I have included a hub page notice at the to of this page. its self explanatory. I hope that this can stay here as its an important navigational concept I feel and will help readers.-- Light current 05:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Any one think we could spilt off the professional stuff to a new page??-- Light current 23:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
There is a survey here on whether the electrical and electronics engineering article should be redirected to this article. Your input on the matter would be very much appreciated.
Thank you for your time.
Cedars 23:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
The articles on each should say at the top exactly what they cover, since these terms are highly confusable (in the US at least). If We're going to use the more specific european terms, then that should be noted at the top of both pages. Fresheneesz 03:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-09-04 23:27Z
@ 2006-09-04 23:47Z
@ 2006-09-04 23:53Z
@ 2006-09-05 01:50Z
@ 2006-09-05 02:11Z
Actual main page stuff as it actually appeared on 26 Mar 06;
Today's featured article
Hitachi J100 adjustable frequency drive chassis
Electrical engineering is a professional engineering discipline that deals with the study and application of electricity, electromagnetism and electronics. The field first became an identifiable occupation in the late nineteenth century with the commercialization of the electric telegraph and electrical power supply and now encompasses a range of sub-disciplines including power, control systems, electronics and telecommunications. Whilst these terms are often used to mean the same, electrical engineering is sometimes distinguished from electronics engineering. Where this distinction is made, electrical engineering is considered to deal with the problems associated with large-scale electrical systems such as power transmission and motor control whereas electronics engineering deals with the study of small-scale electronic systems including semiconductors and the design of integrated circuits. Advances during the 20th century in radio technologies, followed by the invention of early computers and integrated circuits, led to the development of the specialized field. Meanwhile, universities were developing formal programs of study, and today, the field's practitioners generally hold an academic degree in their discipline and may be certified by a professional body. (continued...)
Because some of the caveats I had insisted upon in the article have been edited out, this now gives an unbalanced view to the general readership of the main page. This is just what I was trying to avoid (misleading the readers). We must avoid repetitions of this debacle in future and try to achieve worldwide view rather than featured article status at all costs!".. -- Light current 02:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone needs to revert this back to an older version. Some idiot decided to go around deleting articles and basically turnign them into blog entries about how Wikipedia is communism. If Wikipedia doesn't do so already, perhaps thay should consider banning ips for serious offenses? (like deleting the article and replacing it with one that says Wikipedia = communism)
== Wake up Cedars!!! ==
What do you think? Or have you lost interest now that EE has becom a featured article?--Light current 20:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Electrical_and_electronics_engineering"
This page was last modified 21:51, 26 March 2006. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License (see Copyrights for details). Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. -- Light current 21:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I looked in the article and in the talk pages (archives) and couldn't find anything about electrical engineers doing any lighting and electrical systems design for buildings. I work at a consulting engineering firm. We do PME for large buildings, mostly hospitals, but also schools, plants, apartment buildings, etc. So when I saw electrical engineering was today's featured article I hoped that there would be some mention of what my co-workers do. But no. It seems like there could at least be a short phrase at the end of the third paragraph in the intro where it already says "Examples of the projects modern electrical engineers may work on include the design of telecommunication systems, the operation of electric power stations and the design of electronic household appliances." along the lines of:
"and the design of electrical systems and lighting for buildings."
Is there any reason why I shouldn't add this?
Thanks, -- Eric Jack Nash 22:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Eric,
Thanks for your comments. I was mindful of building services when revising the article and so the article does actually mention building services (although not in those words) and has done so since August of 2005. Quoting from the article:
“ | From the global positioning system to electric power generation, electrical engineers are responsible for a wide range of technologies. They design, develop, test and supervise the deployment of electrical systems and electronic devices. For example, they may work on the design of telecommunication systems, the operation of electric power stations, the lighting and wiring of buildings, the design of household appliances or the electrical control of industrial machinary. | ” |
However if you feel you can improve the article further please feel free to do so.
Cedars 11:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
This field of study leads to a variety of application science. The branches have been explained in the expansions of this article. I'll continue to refine the differences so far as they make sense to do so. If you have any problem with my differentiating then by all means fix my edits. Thanks, hydnjo talk 00:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just seen the merge notice. What a complicated mess this is to become! hydnjo talk 00:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
IMHO Power Electronics is a Sub-Discipline of Electrical Engineering and not simply a device of Power Engineering as it is put in the main article. There is about as much study in this branch of electrical engineering as there is in any other. I say this myself being an electric engineering student, the sub-disciplines we have to choose from in my university are:
Being that we have to choose at least 4 of those in order to graduate, I'm taking the first five and might as well take all six. Brazilian Universities are quite different from the American and British ones, of course, but still... there is a
And by the way, I think this article is not at all that good to have been nominated for featured article. However proud I am to have my field of studies published in the main page, this article still needs some work on it until it gets real good. VdSV9• ♫ 15:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
The title in portuguese is Engenheiro Eletricista (Electrical Engineer). But there are also courses in other universities specifically on electronic engineering. VdSV9.
It's just the emphasis of the course. We also have a course called Industral Automation and Control Engineering, which is clearly another subfield of Electrical (focusing more on mechatronics, control and computing) that has been expanded through specialization. I don't see where you're trying to get now, can't we settle on having the Eletrical Engineering as it is and expanding the other fields of study as such? VdSV9• ♫ 19:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
-With a New Zealand degree from the University of Canterbury electrical engineers begin to branch off in their 2nd professional year into 4 disciplins, power, communications, electronic and computer. Its a four year course consisting of an intermediate year and three professional years. degree is BE(hons).....if you wanted to know 132.181.7.1 07:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Now that electrical and electronics engineering does not exist as far as WP is concerned, should we remove ref to it in the lede to make it look better and read smoother?-- Light current 00:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Light current,
You recently reverted all my changes to the electrical engineering. These changes were made after a thorough review of the article, please explain why you objected to:
Meanwhile I am going to try and find a more appropriate image for the article. If you want to help improve the electrical engineering please discuss your changes. Some of us have been working on this article for a long time and have seen it go from peer review to featured status, we have also been part of the Wikipedia community for a long time. Hence I believe you will find our insights very useful.
What do you mean by: Some of us have been working on this article for a long time and have seen it go from peer review to featured status, we have also been part of the Wikipedia community for a long time. Hence I believe you will find our insights very useful.
Sincerely,
Cedars 02:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
The first line in the article reads:
Electrical engineering (sometimes referred to as electrical and electronics engineering) is a The sandbox is blocked out you retard so stop telling me to use it.
This is an error. I think someone will want to change it. I don't know what was meant or what the previous version was, so someone else is more qualified to change it than myself.
Hi all,
After some months of tranquility Light current is reverting the article to a new version of the page he made. He is doing so without discussing his changes or attempting to reach some sort of compromise. I've tried several variations of the page none of which seem to satisfy Light current. To hopefully reach some sort of comprimise I will outline the reasons for my changes here.
Hopefully this is helpful and will lead to a peaceful resolution of this issue.
Cedars 06:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
2:1 against you!(Cedars) :-))-- Light current 00:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
--
VdSV9•
♫
20:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
No the two existing pics give a balanced view of the scope of EE. Otherwise it would be one or the other and then ther would be WAR (I mean real WAR). Also these pics are what the article was featured with. I see no sensisble justification for changing them at all. -- Light current 22:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
OK then. Lets just have the variable freq drive controller. I will sacrifice the picture of the transformer that I provided.-- Light current 00:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes OK (Im being nice till the end of April!)-- Light current 15:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Yup! (take advantage while you can!)-- Light current 20:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
BTW Whats b jk... mean?-- Light current 23:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
=pppqdbqdbpqbpqdbpqbdpqbdpqbdqpdqbpdbqpdbdddbpqdbqpbbbb VdSV9• ♫
Better just stick to words! ;-)-- Light current 12:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Where can we find a list of places that offer the EE degree? Is this in Wikipedia? If so, should it be linked from here? 129.120.106.90 21:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
hi, this vipul want to know about the switchgears
See power engineering or circuit breakers. 8-) If neither of these answer your question please let me know.-- Light current 10:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
Hi,
For the subfields section, I've converted to a new format that is a combination of the two previous ones. The last one I felt did not emphasise the subfields enough. I hope this is a satisfactory compromise.
Sincerely,
Cedars 02:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Articles are promoted by User:Raul654 if consensus to promote is achieved in the nomination and all actionable objections are resolved. The article can still be edited like before but major edits should be discussed (just as they probably should have been before the nomination). Cedars 01:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
In autumn 2005, I wrote the main part of the history of electrical engineering. This description of the history is currently part of the article. A brief depiction of the beginning of electrical engineering at different universities worldwide is included. However, the part of the first chair of electrical engineering worldwide founded at the Darmstadt University of Technology in 1882 was cancelled twice. I added this part once again in order to give a correct and impartial survey. I hope that other authors also intend to write their contributions in an impartial style. Adamy 9:47, 17 March 2006 (MEZ)
Yes, lets merge it into the the Computer engineering para of this article to get it out of the way!-- Light current 14:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The size of elec eng has not been increased, because all the stuff on electrical and computer engineering was already there anyway. It is sometimes done by EEs and this is all the electrical engineering article is saying. If it is also done by non EEs, thats what the CpE article should say. You will notice that computer engineering has its own page. All we have done is to remove the rare case of electrical and computer engineering as a subject with its own page. As to the quality of the computer engineering article: if it aint good enough, improve it!-- Light current 03:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-03-26 03:17Z
Just because a university merges majors does not mean that they are not two distinct areas. Computer engineering is a realm unto itself.
@ 2006-03-28 05:47Z
I have included a hub page notice at the to of this page. its self explanatory. I hope that this can stay here as its an important navigational concept I feel and will help readers.-- Light current 05:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Any one think we could spilt off the professional stuff to a new page??-- Light current 23:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
There is a survey here on whether the electrical and electronics engineering article should be redirected to this article. Your input on the matter would be very much appreciated.
Thank you for your time.
Cedars 23:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
The articles on each should say at the top exactly what they cover, since these terms are highly confusable (in the US at least). If We're going to use the more specific european terms, then that should be noted at the top of both pages. Fresheneesz 03:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-09-04 23:27Z
@ 2006-09-04 23:47Z
@ 2006-09-04 23:53Z
@ 2006-09-05 01:50Z
@ 2006-09-05 02:11Z
Actual main page stuff as it actually appeared on 26 Mar 06;
Today's featured article
Hitachi J100 adjustable frequency drive chassis
Electrical engineering is a professional engineering discipline that deals with the study and application of electricity, electromagnetism and electronics. The field first became an identifiable occupation in the late nineteenth century with the commercialization of the electric telegraph and electrical power supply and now encompasses a range of sub-disciplines including power, control systems, electronics and telecommunications. Whilst these terms are often used to mean the same, electrical engineering is sometimes distinguished from electronics engineering. Where this distinction is made, electrical engineering is considered to deal with the problems associated with large-scale electrical systems such as power transmission and motor control whereas electronics engineering deals with the study of small-scale electronic systems including semiconductors and the design of integrated circuits. Advances during the 20th century in radio technologies, followed by the invention of early computers and integrated circuits, led to the development of the specialized field. Meanwhile, universities were developing formal programs of study, and today, the field's practitioners generally hold an academic degree in their discipline and may be certified by a professional body. (continued...)
Because some of the caveats I had insisted upon in the article have been edited out, this now gives an unbalanced view to the general readership of the main page. This is just what I was trying to avoid (misleading the readers). We must avoid repetitions of this debacle in future and try to achieve worldwide view rather than featured article status at all costs!".. -- Light current 02:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone needs to revert this back to an older version. Some idiot decided to go around deleting articles and basically turnign them into blog entries about how Wikipedia is communism. If Wikipedia doesn't do so already, perhaps thay should consider banning ips for serious offenses? (like deleting the article and replacing it with one that says Wikipedia = communism)
== Wake up Cedars!!! ==
What do you think? Or have you lost interest now that EE has becom a featured article?--Light current 20:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Electrical_and_electronics_engineering"
This page was last modified 21:51, 26 March 2006. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License (see Copyrights for details). Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. -- Light current 21:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I looked in the article and in the talk pages (archives) and couldn't find anything about electrical engineers doing any lighting and electrical systems design for buildings. I work at a consulting engineering firm. We do PME for large buildings, mostly hospitals, but also schools, plants, apartment buildings, etc. So when I saw electrical engineering was today's featured article I hoped that there would be some mention of what my co-workers do. But no. It seems like there could at least be a short phrase at the end of the third paragraph in the intro where it already says "Examples of the projects modern electrical engineers may work on include the design of telecommunication systems, the operation of electric power stations and the design of electronic household appliances." along the lines of:
"and the design of electrical systems and lighting for buildings."
Is there any reason why I shouldn't add this?
Thanks, -- Eric Jack Nash 22:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Eric,
Thanks for your comments. I was mindful of building services when revising the article and so the article does actually mention building services (although not in those words) and has done so since August of 2005. Quoting from the article:
“ | From the global positioning system to electric power generation, electrical engineers are responsible for a wide range of technologies. They design, develop, test and supervise the deployment of electrical systems and electronic devices. For example, they may work on the design of telecommunication systems, the operation of electric power stations, the lighting and wiring of buildings, the design of household appliances or the electrical control of industrial machinary. | ” |
However if you feel you can improve the article further please feel free to do so.
Cedars 11:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
This field of study leads to a variety of application science. The branches have been explained in the expansions of this article. I'll continue to refine the differences so far as they make sense to do so. If you have any problem with my differentiating then by all means fix my edits. Thanks, hydnjo talk 00:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just seen the merge notice. What a complicated mess this is to become! hydnjo talk 00:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
IMHO Power Electronics is a Sub-Discipline of Electrical Engineering and not simply a device of Power Engineering as it is put in the main article. There is about as much study in this branch of electrical engineering as there is in any other. I say this myself being an electric engineering student, the sub-disciplines we have to choose from in my university are:
Being that we have to choose at least 4 of those in order to graduate, I'm taking the first five and might as well take all six. Brazilian Universities are quite different from the American and British ones, of course, but still... there is a
And by the way, I think this article is not at all that good to have been nominated for featured article. However proud I am to have my field of studies published in the main page, this article still needs some work on it until it gets real good. VdSV9• ♫ 15:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
The title in portuguese is Engenheiro Eletricista (Electrical Engineer). But there are also courses in other universities specifically on electronic engineering. VdSV9.
It's just the emphasis of the course. We also have a course called Industral Automation and Control Engineering, which is clearly another subfield of Electrical (focusing more on mechatronics, control and computing) that has been expanded through specialization. I don't see where you're trying to get now, can't we settle on having the Eletrical Engineering as it is and expanding the other fields of study as such? VdSV9• ♫ 19:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
-With a New Zealand degree from the University of Canterbury electrical engineers begin to branch off in their 2nd professional year into 4 disciplins, power, communications, electronic and computer. Its a four year course consisting of an intermediate year and three professional years. degree is BE(hons).....if you wanted to know 132.181.7.1 07:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Now that electrical and electronics engineering does not exist as far as WP is concerned, should we remove ref to it in the lede to make it look better and read smoother?-- Light current 00:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Light current,
You recently reverted all my changes to the electrical engineering. These changes were made after a thorough review of the article, please explain why you objected to:
Meanwhile I am going to try and find a more appropriate image for the article. If you want to help improve the electrical engineering please discuss your changes. Some of us have been working on this article for a long time and have seen it go from peer review to featured status, we have also been part of the Wikipedia community for a long time. Hence I believe you will find our insights very useful.
What do you mean by: Some of us have been working on this article for a long time and have seen it go from peer review to featured status, we have also been part of the Wikipedia community for a long time. Hence I believe you will find our insights very useful.
Sincerely,
Cedars 02:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
The first line in the article reads:
Electrical engineering (sometimes referred to as electrical and electronics engineering) is a The sandbox is blocked out you retard so stop telling me to use it.
This is an error. I think someone will want to change it. I don't know what was meant or what the previous version was, so someone else is more qualified to change it than myself.
Hi all,
After some months of tranquility Light current is reverting the article to a new version of the page he made. He is doing so without discussing his changes or attempting to reach some sort of compromise. I've tried several variations of the page none of which seem to satisfy Light current. To hopefully reach some sort of comprimise I will outline the reasons for my changes here.
Hopefully this is helpful and will lead to a peaceful resolution of this issue.
Cedars 06:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
2:1 against you!(Cedars) :-))-- Light current 00:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
--
VdSV9•
♫
20:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
No the two existing pics give a balanced view of the scope of EE. Otherwise it would be one or the other and then ther would be WAR (I mean real WAR). Also these pics are what the article was featured with. I see no sensisble justification for changing them at all. -- Light current 22:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
OK then. Lets just have the variable freq drive controller. I will sacrifice the picture of the transformer that I provided.-- Light current 00:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes OK (Im being nice till the end of April!)-- Light current 15:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Yup! (take advantage while you can!)-- Light current 20:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
BTW Whats b jk... mean?-- Light current 23:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
=pppqdbqdbpqbpqdbpqbdpqbdpqbdqpdqbpdbqpdbdddbpqdbqpbbbb VdSV9• ♫
Better just stick to words! ;-)-- Light current 12:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Where can we find a list of places that offer the EE degree? Is this in Wikipedia? If so, should it be linked from here? 129.120.106.90 21:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
hi, this vipul want to know about the switchgears
See power engineering or circuit breakers. 8-) If neither of these answer your question please let me know.-- Light current 10:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)