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In the Advantages and Disadvantages section - Disadvantages 6 and 7 are opinions. 6. The EMB Lectra is an example that contrasts with the article's stated opinion as per documented reviews from standard reviewing agencies which rate the Lectra as weighing comparable to a full-size motorcycle and manuveuring admirably like a regular bike. Another example is the Yamahas EC-02 which is a limited speed light motorcycle that handles similar to any moped. Weight, Control and handling varies with battery-type (which will affect weight), battery placement (which will affect center of gravity and handling), and overall vehicle design. Stating that ALL electric motorcycles and scooters as being heavy with poor control and handling is wrong and needs to be removed. 7. Hill climbing ability and speed varies with gearing, motor torque, and battery capacity. Also, lumping the faster electric Vespa-styled scooters and electric motorcycles which are utilized in traffic is wrong and needs to specify the slower scooters. [[User:Slodown|Lyle.Sloan]] 07:40, 4 February (Eastern Standard Time US) |
In the Advantages and Disadvantages section - Disadvantages 6 and 7 are opinions. 6. The EMB Lectra is an example that contrasts with the article's stated opinion as per documented reviews from standard reviewing agencies which rate the Lectra as weighing comparable to a full-size motorcycle and manuveuring admirably like a regular bike. Another example is the Yamahas EC-02 which is a limited speed light motorcycle that handles similar to any moped. Weight, Control and handling varies with battery-type (which will affect weight), battery placement (which will affect center of gravity and handling), and overall vehicle design. Stating that ALL electric motorcycles and scooters as being heavy with poor control and handling is wrong and needs to be removed. 7. Hill climbing ability and speed varies with gearing, motor torque, and battery capacity. Also, lumping the faster electric Vespa-styled scooters and electric motorcycles which are utilized in traffic is wrong and needs to specify the slower scooters. [[User:Slodown|Lyle.Sloan]] 07:40, 4 February (Eastern Standard Time US) |
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<div style="display:none;"><a href="http://bakers.shoeseller.us">Bakers Shoes</a></div> |
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:So as it stands it is mostly true but there are exceptions. Thus the wording needs to be made more complicated. Go ahead. [[User:Jim.henderson|Jim.henderson]] 15:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
:So as it stands it is mostly true but there are exceptions. Thus the wording needs to be made more complicated. Go ahead. [[User:Jim.henderson|Jim.henderson]] 15:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::I deleted 6 and 7. 7 Was a mostly a duplicate of number 5. [[User:Daniel.Cardenas|Daniel.Cardenas]] 16:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
::I deleted 6 and 7. 7 Was a mostly a duplicate of number 5. [[User:Daniel.Cardenas|Daniel.Cardenas]] 16:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
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<div style="display:none;"><a href="http://karos.shoeseller.us">Karos Shoes</a></div> |
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<div style="display:none;"><a href="http://asics-running.shoeseller.us">ASICS Shoes</a></div> |
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==Tandem wheels== |
==Tandem wheels== |
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Revision as of 16:27, 26 July 2009
Better name
I'm thinking it maybe it was a mistake to create this page. I created the electric scooters page and then started adding info about electric motorcycles so I thought I would create a page about electric motorcycles and scooters. Perhaps smarter would have been two separate pages about electric motorcycles and electric scooters. Daniel.Cardenas 06:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes a mistake, but only in name. Article names should seldom be plural or long. As for plural, the usual example is there's a "Tree" article and not a "Trees" article. As for this article, it addresses a topic on which we are unlikely to say enough for two articles, so one article is appropriate. Since electric scooters with step through frame seem much more common, the appropriate title is "Electric scooter" with redirects from "Electric motorcycle" to a section on machines more resembling a motorcycle. If you don't know how to rename articles and set up redirects, would you like me to do it? Jim.henderson 17:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- There isn't really a section for electric motorcycle. The advantages and disadvantages applies to both as does the intro.
Daniel.Cardenas 21:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think this page should be renamed electric scooter (motorcycle) and non relevant information deleted.Daniel.Cardenas 01:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)- Scratch that. I think the current name is the best. It is about electric motorcycles and scooters. The only difference between scooter and motorcycle is that one has a step thru frame. Sorry for changing opinion. Daniel.Cardenas 23:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I find it unusual to lump electric motorcycles in with e-bikes (or electric bicycles). I'm an e-bike enthusiast, but I have no interest in electric motorcycles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.106.49 ( talk) 01:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- Is there any way to renew the campaign to split this article into two pages, one for scooters, and the other for motorcycles? I think that public perception of the two types of vehicles is different, and that grouping them together is going to confuse people. Hbmallin ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC).
Plus and minus
In the Advantages and Disadvantages section - Disadvantages 6 and 7 are opinions. 6. The EMB Lectra is an example that contrasts with the article's stated opinion as per documented reviews from standard reviewing agencies which rate the Lectra as weighing comparable to a full-size motorcycle and manuveuring admirably like a regular bike. Another example is the Yamahas EC-02 which is a limited speed light motorcycle that handles similar to any moped. Weight, Control and handling varies with battery-type (which will affect weight), battery placement (which will affect center of gravity and handling), and overall vehicle design. Stating that ALL electric motorcycles and scooters as being heavy with poor control and handling is wrong and needs to be removed. 7. Hill climbing ability and speed varies with gearing, motor torque, and battery capacity. Also, lumping the faster electric Vespa-styled scooters and electric motorcycles which are utilized in traffic is wrong and needs to specify the slower scooters. Lyle.Sloan 07:40, 4 February (Eastern Standard Time US)
- So as it stands it is mostly true but there are exceptions. Thus the wording needs to be made more complicated. Go ahead.
Jim.henderson 15:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- I deleted 6 and 7. 7 Was a mostly a duplicate of number 5. Daniel.Cardenas 16:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Tandem wheels
Kindly look up tandem. It does not mean side by side. Exactly the opposite. Most two wheel scooters have wheels arranged in tandem. Segway is unusual in not having tandem wheels. Jim.henderson 15:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
External links
The external links on this page are becoming a little too dense. In particular, I notice that several links to electricmotorcycles.net have been added. While a perfectly good website, it is basically a blog and links to blogs are discouarged by
WP:External links. Furthermore, many of the links are simply duplicates of pre-existing links - for example a link to
http://www.cycletownusa.com/post1953.html is followed by a link to
http://electricmotorcycles.net/modules/wordpress/?p=51, which basically summarizes the info from the other page and provides a link back. In one case, the EM link provides unique information that is not found elsewhere. I will leave that link, but the others should be deleted.
Nposs 15:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
ZeroX is a new Electric Motorcycle that I feel will change the playing field. 2hrs ride time and 40 mile range. They have some cool videos on you Youtube as well as on their site. They are suppose to be coming out with a street version soon. Here is a link to their site and I have also included a link to some pictures of the bike below.
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com --
ShawnkummerDOTcom (
talk) 06:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Picture of ZeroX and Battery Charger
Racing
I would like to add a segment for Racing. Specifically, dragracing, the minimoto track racing, and the FIA alternative energy cup. Obviously, each would have to lead to another page for full description, but a small intro of each should be enough.
Battery technology
I changed "battery technology is rapidly improving" to "battery technology is gradually improving". The reference cited does not claim that the technology is rapidly improving, except via a bit of optimistic crystal-ball gazing. Even then, the projected capacity of batteries is not expected to be that good: "The real advances in batteries, he says, won't be in energy capacity, but in safety, longevity, and cost."-- Shantavira 08:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
evDaytona
Is this relevant ? Rama 14:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- It is interesting but at $77K I wouldn't say it is relevant enough for the article. You can apply wikipedia notability guidelines if you'd like wp:notability. I think you will find it falls short. Thanks for the link on the talk page. Daniel.Cardenas 01:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Electric conversion section
Is it possible to, like with the electric car-article, include a section about electric bike conversions? I added at least one reference (GomiCycle) with the external links.
thanks.
KVDP ( talk) 13:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- Electric vehicle conversion might be better. Daniel.Cardenas ( talk) 15:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. About 3 paragraphs down, all of a sudden the section begins to read like a Billy Mays TV infomercial. The tone is obviously not appropriate for an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.192.220 ( talk) 09:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Also agreed. Something is not very encyclopedic about the Conversion section of the Electric motorcycles and scooters article. In fact, much of it appears to have been borrowed from an article found on V is for Voltage as well as EVworld.com called "Revenge of the Electric Ninja". Scott K. (ScooterSkittles) --
174.19.248.78 (
talk) 21:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Select production vehicles
We need to come up with criteria before a vehicle can be added. Otherwise the list will become a big spam repository. I propose before a vehicle can be added one must indicate, or it must be obvious why it is best in class or notable. What do you think? Daniel.Cardenas ( talk) 04:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
image layout
Don't agree with the new image layout. First picture should show a scooter that is obviously electric. Not something that can be a gas scooter. Daniel.Cardenas ( talk) 16:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Electric crossbikes to include
The eKrad Cross, Zero X Offroad, Quantya EVO 1 Track and eSolex should be included in the article. See this site
Thanks, 81.246.178.156 ( talk) 13:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Disputed information
Even cursory fact checking shows the table lists products that don't exist yet. Many have ship dates that came and went and they're still not for sale.
Many of these vendors are asking hopeful customers for deposits and down payments based on the optimistic projections of how well their nonexistent product will perform. This creates the potential for harm cased by false information, and I don't see the need to keep it.
What purpose is served by listing data here on electric scooters that aren't for sale and don't have multiple reliable, independent sources to verify the performance claims? What harm would there be in deleting all those that don't meet a high standard for veracity?-- Dbratland ( talk) 16:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
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In the Advantages and Disadvantages section - Disadvantages 6 and 7 are opinions. 6. The EMB Lectra is an example that contrasts with the article's stated opinion as per documented reviews from standard reviewing agencies which rate the Lectra as weighing comparable to a full-size motorcycle and manuveuring admirably like a regular bike. Another example is the Yamahas EC-02 which is a limited speed light motorcycle that handles similar to any moped. Weight, Control and handling varies with battery-type (which will affect weight), battery placement (which will affect center of gravity and handling), and overall vehicle design. Stating that ALL electric motorcycles and scooters as being heavy with poor control and handling is wrong and needs to be removed. 7. Hill climbing ability and speed varies with gearing, motor torque, and battery capacity. Also, lumping the faster electric Vespa-styled scooters and electric motorcycles which are utilized in traffic is wrong and needs to specify the slower scooters. [[User:Slodown|Lyle.Sloan]] 07:40, 4 February (Eastern Standard Time US) |
In the Advantages and Disadvantages section - Disadvantages 6 and 7 are opinions. 6. The EMB Lectra is an example that contrasts with the article's stated opinion as per documented reviews from standard reviewing agencies which rate the Lectra as weighing comparable to a full-size motorcycle and manuveuring admirably like a regular bike. Another example is the Yamahas EC-02 which is a limited speed light motorcycle that handles similar to any moped. Weight, Control and handling varies with battery-type (which will affect weight), battery placement (which will affect center of gravity and handling), and overall vehicle design. Stating that ALL electric motorcycles and scooters as being heavy with poor control and handling is wrong and needs to be removed. 7. Hill climbing ability and speed varies with gearing, motor torque, and battery capacity. Also, lumping the faster electric Vespa-styled scooters and electric motorcycles which are utilized in traffic is wrong and needs to specify the slower scooters. [[User:Slodown|Lyle.Sloan]] 07:40, 4 February (Eastern Standard Time US) |
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<div style="display:none;"><a href="http://bakers.shoeseller.us">Bakers Shoes</a></div> |
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:So as it stands it is mostly true but there are exceptions. Thus the wording needs to be made more complicated. Go ahead. [[User:Jim.henderson|Jim.henderson]] 15:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
:So as it stands it is mostly true but there are exceptions. Thus the wording needs to be made more complicated. Go ahead. [[User:Jim.henderson|Jim.henderson]] 15:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::I deleted 6 and 7. 7 Was a mostly a duplicate of number 5. [[User:Daniel.Cardenas|Daniel.Cardenas]] 16:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
::I deleted 6 and 7. 7 Was a mostly a duplicate of number 5. [[User:Daniel.Cardenas|Daniel.Cardenas]] 16:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
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<div style="display:none;"><a href="http://karos.shoeseller.us">Karos Shoes</a></div> |
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<div style="display:none;"><a href="http://asics-running.shoeseller.us">ASICS Shoes</a></div> |
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==Tandem wheels== |
==Tandem wheels== |
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Better name
I'm thinking it maybe it was a mistake to create this page. I created the electric scooters page and then started adding info about electric motorcycles so I thought I would create a page about electric motorcycles and scooters. Perhaps smarter would have been two separate pages about electric motorcycles and electric scooters. Daniel.Cardenas 06:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes a mistake, but only in name. Article names should seldom be plural or long. As for plural, the usual example is there's a "Tree" article and not a "Trees" article. As for this article, it addresses a topic on which we are unlikely to say enough for two articles, so one article is appropriate. Since electric scooters with step through frame seem much more common, the appropriate title is "Electric scooter" with redirects from "Electric motorcycle" to a section on machines more resembling a motorcycle. If you don't know how to rename articles and set up redirects, would you like me to do it? Jim.henderson 17:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- There isn't really a section for electric motorcycle. The advantages and disadvantages applies to both as does the intro.
Daniel.Cardenas 21:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think this page should be renamed electric scooter (motorcycle) and non relevant information deleted.Daniel.Cardenas 01:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)- Scratch that. I think the current name is the best. It is about electric motorcycles and scooters. The only difference between scooter and motorcycle is that one has a step thru frame. Sorry for changing opinion. Daniel.Cardenas 23:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I find it unusual to lump electric motorcycles in with e-bikes (or electric bicycles). I'm an e-bike enthusiast, but I have no interest in electric motorcycles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.106.49 ( talk) 01:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- Is there any way to renew the campaign to split this article into two pages, one for scooters, and the other for motorcycles? I think that public perception of the two types of vehicles is different, and that grouping them together is going to confuse people. Hbmallin ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC).
Plus and minus
In the Advantages and Disadvantages section - Disadvantages 6 and 7 are opinions. 6. The EMB Lectra is an example that contrasts with the article's stated opinion as per documented reviews from standard reviewing agencies which rate the Lectra as weighing comparable to a full-size motorcycle and manuveuring admirably like a regular bike. Another example is the Yamahas EC-02 which is a limited speed light motorcycle that handles similar to any moped. Weight, Control and handling varies with battery-type (which will affect weight), battery placement (which will affect center of gravity and handling), and overall vehicle design. Stating that ALL electric motorcycles and scooters as being heavy with poor control and handling is wrong and needs to be removed. 7. Hill climbing ability and speed varies with gearing, motor torque, and battery capacity. Also, lumping the faster electric Vespa-styled scooters and electric motorcycles which are utilized in traffic is wrong and needs to specify the slower scooters. Lyle.Sloan 07:40, 4 February (Eastern Standard Time US)
- So as it stands it is mostly true but there are exceptions. Thus the wording needs to be made more complicated. Go ahead.
Jim.henderson 15:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- I deleted 6 and 7. 7 Was a mostly a duplicate of number 5. Daniel.Cardenas 16:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Tandem wheels
Kindly look up tandem. It does not mean side by side. Exactly the opposite. Most two wheel scooters have wheels arranged in tandem. Segway is unusual in not having tandem wheels. Jim.henderson 15:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
External links
The external links on this page are becoming a little too dense. In particular, I notice that several links to electricmotorcycles.net have been added. While a perfectly good website, it is basically a blog and links to blogs are discouarged by
WP:External links. Furthermore, many of the links are simply duplicates of pre-existing links - for example a link to
http://www.cycletownusa.com/post1953.html is followed by a link to
http://electricmotorcycles.net/modules/wordpress/?p=51, which basically summarizes the info from the other page and provides a link back. In one case, the EM link provides unique information that is not found elsewhere. I will leave that link, but the others should be deleted.
Nposs 15:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
ZeroX is a new Electric Motorcycle that I feel will change the playing field. 2hrs ride time and 40 mile range. They have some cool videos on you Youtube as well as on their site. They are suppose to be coming out with a street version soon. Here is a link to their site and I have also included a link to some pictures of the bike below.
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com --
ShawnkummerDOTcom (
talk) 06:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Picture of ZeroX and Battery Charger
Racing
I would like to add a segment for Racing. Specifically, dragracing, the minimoto track racing, and the FIA alternative energy cup. Obviously, each would have to lead to another page for full description, but a small intro of each should be enough.
Battery technology
I changed "battery technology is rapidly improving" to "battery technology is gradually improving". The reference cited does not claim that the technology is rapidly improving, except via a bit of optimistic crystal-ball gazing. Even then, the projected capacity of batteries is not expected to be that good: "The real advances in batteries, he says, won't be in energy capacity, but in safety, longevity, and cost."-- Shantavira 08:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
evDaytona
Is this relevant ? Rama 14:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- It is interesting but at $77K I wouldn't say it is relevant enough for the article. You can apply wikipedia notability guidelines if you'd like wp:notability. I think you will find it falls short. Thanks for the link on the talk page. Daniel.Cardenas 01:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Electric conversion section
Is it possible to, like with the electric car-article, include a section about electric bike conversions? I added at least one reference (GomiCycle) with the external links.
thanks.
KVDP ( talk) 13:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- Electric vehicle conversion might be better. Daniel.Cardenas ( talk) 15:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. About 3 paragraphs down, all of a sudden the section begins to read like a Billy Mays TV infomercial. The tone is obviously not appropriate for an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.192.220 ( talk) 09:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Also agreed. Something is not very encyclopedic about the Conversion section of the Electric motorcycles and scooters article. In fact, much of it appears to have been borrowed from an article found on V is for Voltage as well as EVworld.com called "Revenge of the Electric Ninja". Scott K. (ScooterSkittles) --
174.19.248.78 (
talk) 21:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Select production vehicles
We need to come up with criteria before a vehicle can be added. Otherwise the list will become a big spam repository. I propose before a vehicle can be added one must indicate, or it must be obvious why it is best in class or notable. What do you think? Daniel.Cardenas ( talk) 04:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
image layout
Don't agree with the new image layout. First picture should show a scooter that is obviously electric. Not something that can be a gas scooter. Daniel.Cardenas ( talk) 16:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Electric crossbikes to include
The eKrad Cross, Zero X Offroad, Quantya EVO 1 Track and eSolex should be included in the article. See this site
Thanks, 81.246.178.156 ( talk) 13:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Disputed information
Even cursory fact checking shows the table lists products that don't exist yet. Many have ship dates that came and went and they're still not for sale.
Many of these vendors are asking hopeful customers for deposits and down payments based on the optimistic projections of how well their nonexistent product will perform. This creates the potential for harm cased by false information, and I don't see the need to keep it.
What purpose is served by listing data here on electric scooters that aren't for sale and don't have multiple reliable, independent sources to verify the performance claims? What harm would there be in deleting all those that don't meet a high standard for veracity?-- Dbratland ( talk) 16:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)