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Thirdly, the article made it very clear that we are talking about local pollution, in the water where the boat sits, from an electric motor compared to a petroleum-fuelled motor running on board. There is no doubt that electric motors do not produce smoke, exhaust gases, or fuel or oil splils, or oil-film on the water in the way that all petroleum engines can and and most marine installations often do.
Fourthly, my own boat meets just about all its own electric power needs from solar panels on all the time, and by a towed generator when under sail. With a wind generator as well it could produce a lot more. OK, all of these gizmoes were made in conventional manufacturing plants, from materials extracted and smelted using conventional power sources, but since then, they have produced considerable amounts of electrical power with no pollution whatsoever. Fact.
Fifth and last, and as the article also makes clear, there are very strict controls on the air- and water-bourne emissions and other waste that are allowed from commercial and government owned power stations in most parts of the world. These are much stricter than the controls applied to most petroleum-fuelled marine power-plants, either propulsion or petroleum fuelled generator sets, and even if these controls exist in some countries, they are hard to apply to craft out at sea. In many countries increasing amounts of the grid power is already being produced from wind, wave and other non-polluting sources (OK, non-polluting apart from the pollution caused by the manufacture of the equipment - but this doesn't seem to be your argument). So even if an electric boat' s batteries are recharged by x kWh of shore-power, most likely this still produces much less pollution in the world than if it produced x kWh of local power by firing up a marine diesel or two-stroke on board. And, of course, none of the power-station pollution is going to appear as an oily film on the water surface around the back end of the boat itself!
I have removed the factually incorrect statements from the article, and have not had to do so again since you reverted the changes. Unless you can prove that electrical production does not cause pollution, which you can't, please leave the article as it is, since I think all of the controversial (and false) parts are now gone. Thanks!
166.127.1.35
16:25, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
See the battery-electric vehicle talk page for more information. (Under nr 58; requested move) Thanks.
If the name sounds too cumbersome/silly (aldough its most accurate), we may atleast try to change the name to "Electric water vehicle", or "Electric watercraft" as electric boat only involves boats (thus limiting the article's possible expantion) KVDP ( talk) 08:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I oppose the move. BEWV may be a more accurate description, but very few people would regard it as a natural term to search for.
Greg Locock (
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10:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. The article describes deriving electric power from solar panels, wind turbines and other electric power sources. True, there are likely to be batteries involved too, but there are batteries in lots of things without them getting top-billing in these things' names. At the moment, the article is clearly focussed on boats, too - not ships, submarines, trawlers, pedallos, canoes or any other watercraft. Owners and crews of many such vessels often refer to theirs as 'the boat' too, in my experience. There is no need to obfuscate what is simple. -- Nigelj ( talk) 22:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The 1980s anime The Mysterious Cities of Gold had a really interesting concept of ancient civilisations using a gigantic solar ship with sun sails called The Solaris which additionally used the sun as a war weapon. -- EvenGreenerFish ( talk) 02:28, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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MV Yara Birkeland needs to be added to the list of electric ships.-- 98.128.228.237 ( talk) 22:16, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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Dear 166.127.1.35,
First, welcome to wikipedia, and I'm sure we all hope you enjoy your stay. Second, it would be a very good idea if you created an account, so that you do not get muddled, in the furture, with others who might share the same IP address, as isued by your ISP, at different times.
Thirdly, the article made it very clear that we are talking about local pollution, in the water where the boat sits, from an electric motor compared to a petroleum-fuelled motor running on board. There is no doubt that electric motors do not produce smoke, exhaust gases, or fuel or oil splils, or oil-film on the water in the way that all petroleum engines can and and most marine installations often do.
Fourthly, my own boat meets just about all its own electric power needs from solar panels on all the time, and by a towed generator when under sail. With a wind generator as well it could produce a lot more. OK, all of these gizmoes were made in conventional manufacturing plants, from materials extracted and smelted using conventional power sources, but since then, they have produced considerable amounts of electrical power with no pollution whatsoever. Fact.
Fifth and last, and as the article also makes clear, there are very strict controls on the air- and water-bourne emissions and other waste that are allowed from commercial and government owned power stations in most parts of the world. These are much stricter than the controls applied to most petroleum-fuelled marine power-plants, either propulsion or petroleum fuelled generator sets, and even if these controls exist in some countries, they are hard to apply to craft out at sea. In many countries increasing amounts of the grid power is already being produced from wind, wave and other non-polluting sources (OK, non-polluting apart from the pollution caused by the manufacture of the equipment - but this doesn't seem to be your argument). So even if an electric boat' s batteries are recharged by x kWh of shore-power, most likely this still produces much less pollution in the world than if it produced x kWh of local power by firing up a marine diesel or two-stroke on board. And, of course, none of the power-station pollution is going to appear as an oily film on the water surface around the back end of the boat itself!
I have removed the factually incorrect statements from the article, and have not had to do so again since you reverted the changes. Unless you can prove that electrical production does not cause pollution, which you can't, please leave the article as it is, since I think all of the controversial (and false) parts are now gone. Thanks!
166.127.1.35
16:25, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
See the battery-electric vehicle talk page for more information. (Under nr 58; requested move) Thanks.
If the name sounds too cumbersome/silly (aldough its most accurate), we may atleast try to change the name to "Electric water vehicle", or "Electric watercraft" as electric boat only involves boats (thus limiting the article's possible expantion) KVDP ( talk) 08:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I oppose the move. BEWV may be a more accurate description, but very few people would regard it as a natural term to search for.
Greg Locock (
talk)
10:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. The article describes deriving electric power from solar panels, wind turbines and other electric power sources. True, there are likely to be batteries involved too, but there are batteries in lots of things without them getting top-billing in these things' names. At the moment, the article is clearly focussed on boats, too - not ships, submarines, trawlers, pedallos, canoes or any other watercraft. Owners and crews of many such vessels often refer to theirs as 'the boat' too, in my experience. There is no need to obfuscate what is simple. -- Nigelj ( talk) 22:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The 1980s anime The Mysterious Cities of Gold had a really interesting concept of ancient civilisations using a gigantic solar ship with sun sails called The Solaris which additionally used the sun as a war weapon. -- EvenGreenerFish ( talk) 02:28, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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MV Yara Birkeland needs to be added to the list of electric ships.-- 98.128.228.237 ( talk) 22:16, 6 January 2022 (UTC)