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Eleanor Roosevelt was NOT the first honorary member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. I made the correction. Avid reader 03:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
So, is it "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission" or "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent"? -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 01:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
It should be emphasized that the Human Rights Prize is less prestigious than is the Nobel Prize. Also, 78 years of age is not old at all and should be noted that many productive years were taken away from Eleanor Roosevelt when she passed away at 78 years old in 1962. 11:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I've promoted the " First Lady of the United States" and " Life after the White House" headings to first-level headings. Their sections don't really discuss the controversy over her sexuality, and I'm pretty sure the information in those two sections are more notable than the controversy (not to say that the controversy isn't notable, of course). – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs) 07:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Please leave this page alone! 13:35 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Footnoted it and will add some pics of Sara Delano Roosevelt who was one tough woman. SimonATL 03:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Many of us have wanted to do this. I've added some using the latest wiki technology. Take a look at how its done. You don't even have to worry about numbering, wikipedia does it for you. Won't this help to make this article more objective? SimonATL 03:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen, per your comments, I have already cut the section on Alice in half. I did not originate that section. When you removed the original edit you said that the article was about Eleanor not Alice. OK, I felt that was reasonable so I tried to accomodate this by cutting the section roughly in half. A discussion of Eleanor's relationship with her cousin is not "useless" as you charactarize it. Eleanor was plagued much of her early life with shyness and a lack of confidence. This trait seemed to abound in her cousin and she felt intimidated by it. That there was a rivalry between the two is undeniable and it colored Eleanor's relations with their Oyster Bay Republican cousins. This family rivalry also took form in Eleanor actively campaining against Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. when he ran for NY govenor. I will also be adding a discussion of that aspect of Eleanor's life and unlike any previous editor, I've begun footnoting this article and plan to work with interested people like you to get it to "featured article" status. Toward that end, I added the photos of Eleanor's father and photos of her in school and just after her engagement. Can't you help this process in a more positive way? Repeated section removals is not the way to go. Please discuss the section instead of arbitrarily removing it. SimonATL 17:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Why not work with all of us to make this article better. Look at the recent photos I added - of ER and her father, improved quality photo of ER as a student, ER and FDR when they first met and of ER and her mother-in-law. Let's expand the article with thought-out useful information. I've also added the first footnotes to this article. Let's all a lot more on Eleanor's civil right's achievements and also, conversely, how FDR ignored her requests to do something more on the racial front because he didn't want to offend the "Solid South." SimonATL 23:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
The picture of Eleanor Roosevelt on Alice Longworth's article is not at Alice's house but in the Monroe Room at the White House. 07:45, 2 Jun 2006 (UTC)
god someone finally fixed the contents, that only took forever and a day. hope the reverters don't revert that, they really seemed to like the contents that made no sense.
Even her cousin Alice Longworth came to Eleanor's rescue stating loudly in a fashionable restaurant one day, "I don't care what they say. I simply cannot believe that Eleanor Roosevelt is a lesbian."
"came to Eleanor's rescue"? I don't care what you believe, that's a rediculously biased way of putting that. and I don't have a degree, but do I need one to say that ones family is very rarely involved in ones sex life? the validity of this claim aside, I'm editing the wording of that to something less POV. -- Feralnostalgia 16:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Your change to this sentence is very interesting because it bascially says the same thing as before. A person's family is usually the first to know or have some idea of another members sex life. Centers 23:06, 21 Jul 2006 (UTC)
If Uncle Ted cared so much about his niece then how come Eleanor had such a deprived, depressed childhood where she was alone much of the time, neglected a completely ignored...if he cared why didn't he do more to ensure she had a happier childhood? It appears that she was not much noticed by the Roosevelt's until after her return from school in England in 1902. Besides giving the bride away in 1905, what significance did Theodore play in Eleanor's life?11:35, 31 Aug 2006
This one bothers me: "Was one of the first women not to change her legal name after marrying." One of the first famous women, or literally one of the first? And also, she really didn't have to change her name from Roosevelt to Roosevelt. Who knows if she would've change her name had it been different... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.67.186.84 ( talk) .
A few questions:
She clearly wasn't straight. The love letters are obvious, and for some people it isn't enough. It should be. If you look at Walt Whitman, he doesn't come out and say "Hey, I'm gay"..he just was because of his work. It's hard for me to get that out of his writings, and here we have Eleanor; clear as day. Just because she "didn't know what a homosexual was", doesn't mean she WASN'T bisexual or anything else. I'm sure Walt didn't know what it was either, but he was. I want to include in her in the category as LGBT something at least. Oreo
Well, I still have the right to voice my opinion and concern no matter what the debate was. I think it's pure crap, and you know what?..it does have importance to the LGBT community. We need strong leaders, etc, just like the African-American unit.
Walt Whitman is basically determined gay by his writings, even though he had a relationship with a woman, because it's just obvious. So, I think she belongs in at least a category of LGBT, because there's also LGBTQ..Q for Questioning, etc.
Oreo
Your opinion, and I'm not comparing her sexuality to the African-American unit. I said a strong leader like her would benefit the cause, but you "failed" to see that now didn't you? I'm a bigot, oh, okay. Definition: A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. Did I say I think you're opinion is crap, or that I don't care what you think? Hmm..no. Everyone has their own opinion, and I could care less what it is as long as it isn't based on hate.
Oreo
Excuse me? We are constitnetly confronted with roadblocks, are you blind? I get harassed every single day for your information, and let's see...people are allowed to legally not let gays/bi's work for them, we can't get married in the US, what else..hm..I dunno - how about we have a bunch of hate groups against us maybe. I was saying that the African-American struggle had strong leadrs, and she would give us positive looks. It doesn't matter anymore. Oreo
Seems to that that Roosevelt's position on the Equal Rights Amendment changed over time; am I wrong? Anyway, I'm not sure that "but opposed the ERA" is the right language -- it implies her positions were contradictory, but was there otherwise no overlap between first wave feminism and the progressive/New Deal worries that newly gained workplace (and other) protections would be reduced? -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 16:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
Eleanor Roosevelt was NOT the first honorary member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. I made the correction. Avid reader 03:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
So, is it "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission" or "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent"? -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 01:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
It should be emphasized that the Human Rights Prize is less prestigious than is the Nobel Prize. Also, 78 years of age is not old at all and should be noted that many productive years were taken away from Eleanor Roosevelt when she passed away at 78 years old in 1962. 11:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I've promoted the " First Lady of the United States" and " Life after the White House" headings to first-level headings. Their sections don't really discuss the controversy over her sexuality, and I'm pretty sure the information in those two sections are more notable than the controversy (not to say that the controversy isn't notable, of course). – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs) 07:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Please leave this page alone! 13:35 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Footnoted it and will add some pics of Sara Delano Roosevelt who was one tough woman. SimonATL 03:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Many of us have wanted to do this. I've added some using the latest wiki technology. Take a look at how its done. You don't even have to worry about numbering, wikipedia does it for you. Won't this help to make this article more objective? SimonATL 03:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen, per your comments, I have already cut the section on Alice in half. I did not originate that section. When you removed the original edit you said that the article was about Eleanor not Alice. OK, I felt that was reasonable so I tried to accomodate this by cutting the section roughly in half. A discussion of Eleanor's relationship with her cousin is not "useless" as you charactarize it. Eleanor was plagued much of her early life with shyness and a lack of confidence. This trait seemed to abound in her cousin and she felt intimidated by it. That there was a rivalry between the two is undeniable and it colored Eleanor's relations with their Oyster Bay Republican cousins. This family rivalry also took form in Eleanor actively campaining against Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. when he ran for NY govenor. I will also be adding a discussion of that aspect of Eleanor's life and unlike any previous editor, I've begun footnoting this article and plan to work with interested people like you to get it to "featured article" status. Toward that end, I added the photos of Eleanor's father and photos of her in school and just after her engagement. Can't you help this process in a more positive way? Repeated section removals is not the way to go. Please discuss the section instead of arbitrarily removing it. SimonATL 17:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Why not work with all of us to make this article better. Look at the recent photos I added - of ER and her father, improved quality photo of ER as a student, ER and FDR when they first met and of ER and her mother-in-law. Let's expand the article with thought-out useful information. I've also added the first footnotes to this article. Let's all a lot more on Eleanor's civil right's achievements and also, conversely, how FDR ignored her requests to do something more on the racial front because he didn't want to offend the "Solid South." SimonATL 23:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
The picture of Eleanor Roosevelt on Alice Longworth's article is not at Alice's house but in the Monroe Room at the White House. 07:45, 2 Jun 2006 (UTC)
god someone finally fixed the contents, that only took forever and a day. hope the reverters don't revert that, they really seemed to like the contents that made no sense.
Even her cousin Alice Longworth came to Eleanor's rescue stating loudly in a fashionable restaurant one day, "I don't care what they say. I simply cannot believe that Eleanor Roosevelt is a lesbian."
"came to Eleanor's rescue"? I don't care what you believe, that's a rediculously biased way of putting that. and I don't have a degree, but do I need one to say that ones family is very rarely involved in ones sex life? the validity of this claim aside, I'm editing the wording of that to something less POV. -- Feralnostalgia 16:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Your change to this sentence is very interesting because it bascially says the same thing as before. A person's family is usually the first to know or have some idea of another members sex life. Centers 23:06, 21 Jul 2006 (UTC)
If Uncle Ted cared so much about his niece then how come Eleanor had such a deprived, depressed childhood where she was alone much of the time, neglected a completely ignored...if he cared why didn't he do more to ensure she had a happier childhood? It appears that she was not much noticed by the Roosevelt's until after her return from school in England in 1902. Besides giving the bride away in 1905, what significance did Theodore play in Eleanor's life?11:35, 31 Aug 2006
This one bothers me: "Was one of the first women not to change her legal name after marrying." One of the first famous women, or literally one of the first? And also, she really didn't have to change her name from Roosevelt to Roosevelt. Who knows if she would've change her name had it been different... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.67.186.84 ( talk) .
A few questions:
She clearly wasn't straight. The love letters are obvious, and for some people it isn't enough. It should be. If you look at Walt Whitman, he doesn't come out and say "Hey, I'm gay"..he just was because of his work. It's hard for me to get that out of his writings, and here we have Eleanor; clear as day. Just because she "didn't know what a homosexual was", doesn't mean she WASN'T bisexual or anything else. I'm sure Walt didn't know what it was either, but he was. I want to include in her in the category as LGBT something at least. Oreo
Well, I still have the right to voice my opinion and concern no matter what the debate was. I think it's pure crap, and you know what?..it does have importance to the LGBT community. We need strong leaders, etc, just like the African-American unit.
Walt Whitman is basically determined gay by his writings, even though he had a relationship with a woman, because it's just obvious. So, I think she belongs in at least a category of LGBT, because there's also LGBTQ..Q for Questioning, etc.
Oreo
Your opinion, and I'm not comparing her sexuality to the African-American unit. I said a strong leader like her would benefit the cause, but you "failed" to see that now didn't you? I'm a bigot, oh, okay. Definition: A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. Did I say I think you're opinion is crap, or that I don't care what you think? Hmm..no. Everyone has their own opinion, and I could care less what it is as long as it isn't based on hate.
Oreo
Excuse me? We are constitnetly confronted with roadblocks, are you blind? I get harassed every single day for your information, and let's see...people are allowed to legally not let gays/bi's work for them, we can't get married in the US, what else..hm..I dunno - how about we have a bunch of hate groups against us maybe. I was saying that the African-American struggle had strong leadrs, and she would give us positive looks. It doesn't matter anymore. Oreo
Seems to that that Roosevelt's position on the Equal Rights Amendment changed over time; am I wrong? Anyway, I'm not sure that "but opposed the ERA" is the right language -- it implies her positions were contradictory, but was there otherwise no overlap between first wave feminism and the progressive/New Deal worries that newly gained workplace (and other) protections would be reduced? -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 16:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)