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There is confusion of names here. The stone needs to be Elagabal and the emperor Elagabalus.
The Semitic El was originally a Sun-god anyway, for it is the origin of the Greek Sun-god HElios or Elios. Yahweh was the equivalent Semitic Moon deity, to add duality, after the Egyptian Yah for Moon.
Thus the Elagabal was most certainly a Sun-god, and the shape does indeed suggest 'Sun Mountain'. Narwhal-tooth ( talk) 23:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Most people would rather call you a crank than acknowledge that the fact that اله الجبل "Ilah el gabal" and "Heliogabalus" are identical means Helios and Ilah (Eloha/El) are the same.
This also means that the Islamic "Allah" ultimately derives from the same "Al-Ilah" meaning "The God" with the word God replacing "El" or "Helios".
Muslims worship a Sun god. That is a fact.
The problem also arises when trying to differentiate between YHWH/El (who are not the same deity) because if El and Helios are the same then Christians & Jews alike worship the Sun as a primary deity. After all, YHWH is an amalgam of both El (the Sun god) and Yah (the Moon god). -- ConfusedEnoch ( talk) 07:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
"In the East, there were many solar deities, including the Greek Helios, who was largely displaced by Apollo. Some of these used the title 'Sol Invictus' (the unconquered sun). " True enough about solar deities. But the use of "some' in these cases always raises doubts. Latin was not used much in the east. Is anything being quoted here? ... or is this just hogwash? -- Wetman
I don't think El Gabal, or El of the mountain, El manifested as the patron God of Emessa who favored the city apparently with a meteorite or
Kaaba like black stone starts out as a Sun God. I think that this becomes a fusion with the Roman Sol Invictus. In any case there is so much more detail in the Elagablus article then there is in this one, that I am going to wipe out my earlier edits and just copy the thread from that one with the references, to wit:
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The Sepphoris / Tzippori Synagogue in Israel is almost certainly a temple to Elagabalus. 124.189.9.57 ( talk) 10:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Ian Ison
What happened to the cult statue stone after it was returned to Emesa? Is there any idea of its eventual fate? Did it survive the Severan dynasty? The Decline of Greco-Roman polytheism? The Muslim conquest of the Levant? Is there any trace of the cult of Elagabalus in modern Homs? -- ESP ( talk) 00:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Zhomron I couldn't verify the name from the source you referenced. Can you please quote it here?
Aramaic: 𐡁𐡋𐡄𐡀𐡂𐡀𐡋 ʾĕlāhaʾgabāl or 𐡁𐡋𐡄𐡂𐡀𐡋 ʾĕlāhgabāl, "mountain god"
"Le nom divin gabal n'est pas araméen"
anyone know why the black stone of mecca and the qurayshite god hubal are placed in see also? They seem very unrelated to the topic at hand unless someone actually explains Yefa36 ( talk) 21:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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There is confusion of names here. The stone needs to be Elagabal and the emperor Elagabalus.
The Semitic El was originally a Sun-god anyway, for it is the origin of the Greek Sun-god HElios or Elios. Yahweh was the equivalent Semitic Moon deity, to add duality, after the Egyptian Yah for Moon.
Thus the Elagabal was most certainly a Sun-god, and the shape does indeed suggest 'Sun Mountain'. Narwhal-tooth ( talk) 23:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Most people would rather call you a crank than acknowledge that the fact that اله الجبل "Ilah el gabal" and "Heliogabalus" are identical means Helios and Ilah (Eloha/El) are the same.
This also means that the Islamic "Allah" ultimately derives from the same "Al-Ilah" meaning "The God" with the word God replacing "El" or "Helios".
Muslims worship a Sun god. That is a fact.
The problem also arises when trying to differentiate between YHWH/El (who are not the same deity) because if El and Helios are the same then Christians & Jews alike worship the Sun as a primary deity. After all, YHWH is an amalgam of both El (the Sun god) and Yah (the Moon god). -- ConfusedEnoch ( talk) 07:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
"In the East, there were many solar deities, including the Greek Helios, who was largely displaced by Apollo. Some of these used the title 'Sol Invictus' (the unconquered sun). " True enough about solar deities. But the use of "some' in these cases always raises doubts. Latin was not used much in the east. Is anything being quoted here? ... or is this just hogwash? -- Wetman
I don't think El Gabal, or El of the mountain, El manifested as the patron God of Emessa who favored the city apparently with a meteorite or
Kaaba like black stone starts out as a Sun God. I think that this becomes a fusion with the Roman Sol Invictus. In any case there is so much more detail in the Elagablus article then there is in this one, that I am going to wipe out my earlier edits and just copy the thread from that one with the references, to wit:
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The Sepphoris / Tzippori Synagogue in Israel is almost certainly a temple to Elagabalus. 124.189.9.57 ( talk) 10:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Ian Ison
What happened to the cult statue stone after it was returned to Emesa? Is there any idea of its eventual fate? Did it survive the Severan dynasty? The Decline of Greco-Roman polytheism? The Muslim conquest of the Levant? Is there any trace of the cult of Elagabalus in modern Homs? -- ESP ( talk) 00:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Zhomron I couldn't verify the name from the source you referenced. Can you please quote it here?
Aramaic: 𐡁𐡋𐡄𐡀𐡂𐡀𐡋 ʾĕlāhaʾgabāl or 𐡁𐡋𐡄𐡂𐡀𐡋 ʾĕlāhgabāl, "mountain god"
"Le nom divin gabal n'est pas araméen"
anyone know why the black stone of mecca and the qurayshite god hubal are placed in see also? They seem very unrelated to the topic at hand unless someone actually explains Yefa36 ( talk) 21:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)