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Can someone please check the source and make sure there was no space between the time and the pm?
Could an editor with access to the Barrueto's "A Latin American Indian Re-Reads the Canon" source check the article's quote "this narrative's goal is to prove that Latin American societies, though they are aware of the blueprint of Modenirty,..." for the spelling of Modenirty, since it appears it might be a misspelling of Modernity? If the quote is correct and Modernity is what is meant, perhaps a (sic) should be added. Otherwise, never mind. Thanks. -- Michael Devore ( talk) 19:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC) Done
One of the Walker citations is still to the excerpted version: 'The Zany, who "looked like a corpse when he was asleep" and had eyes that "saw nothing, felt nothing" is critical to establishing the tone of the novel and triggering the novel's action.[23]' Can we fix this? Many thanks. -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 19:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I finally found the proper source, it wasn't in the Walker article but from the novel itself. As long as I cited it correctly than it should be done.-- Katekonyk ( talk) 06:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Could someone correct "around these Latin American lands or the pages the tell their history"? Great work of course, that's why people like me look for the tiniest things to fix. :) – Outriggr § 01:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to swell the FAC with a lot of relatively minor points so I'll put them here:
I have spent most of my evening trying to find the source for two images of Manuel Estrada Cabrera. The first is the photograph which I believe was once used in this article. The second is a painting of him in later years.
It seems to me that the photograph was deleted prematurely. It is extremely likely that this is in the public domain. Cabrera is not old in this photograph, so it was almost certainly taken before 1909. It is also highly likely that it was published (otherwise, it would not be widely available now). This means it is in the public domain in the US (1909 and 1923 are the crucial dates in US copyright law), which is what matters for the Florida-based servers of Wikipedia.
The painting may or may not be public domain, but this should be easy to determine, once one knows who the painter was. Copyright in the US expires 70 years after the death of the author, so who was the painter, and when did he/she die? Geometry guy 22:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes but theres a problem, for foreign works the date is actually: July 1, 1909 so we need to know what month that book was published Acer ( talk) 23:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict, reply to Geoguy) Ah, but you see that wont work. While it is pretty obvious that the picture was taken before 1909 we dont know when it was published and that all that matters for copyright. For instance the photographer could've kept the picture in his closet for 40 years beforo publishing it... Not that I think it happened but we need to be ablr to prove it.. Acer ( talk) 23:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
With regards to the painting, a portrait of the ex-president was hung in the Palacio Municipal Quetzaltenango on 25 November 1925 (whether it is the same one..who knows?) Yomangani talk 23:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Congrats on the FA. Very cool. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 02:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
A massive Thank You to every single one of you out there who helped get this article to FA. It has been a great learning experience and without all your help, in so many areas we didn't understand, we couldn't have done it. Good Luck with future editing & everything else!-- Katekonyk ( talk) 03:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I second that!-- Mfreud ( talk) 04:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
So... It would be nice to be able to resolve the two issues that are still pending on images by May 5th, when this article is on the mainpage.
1. Can we find a free image of Manuel Estrada Cabrera. The relevant discussion is just above. As far as I understand, we need to find an image that was published before July 1, 1909 (if outside the USA) or some day in 1923 (if within the USA). Is that right?
2. Are we justified in using another non-free image on this page. Either:
2a. The cover image of the Spanish publication, specifically the first revised and corrected edition.
Or:
2b. One of the various images of Estrada Cabrera.
The discussion about this took place here. As far as I could see, the one person who was consistently arguing against the use of any further non-free articles (though there was no picture of Estrada on the page at the time) was ЭLСОВВОLД. And we'd reached a bit of a stand-off: ЭLСОВВОLД was not convinced by the arguments in favor; most others found those arguments convincing, perhaps for different reasons.
It was suggested that the person to decide on such things would have to be Raul654.
Is my summary accurate and fair? Where can we go from here? -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 03:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent) To answer the other question, go ahead and restore the third edition image. There’s currently a storm brewing over NFCC#8 and, although the impetus is wording not germane to my objection, making NFCC#8 determinations would probably best be left until the criterion has stabilized. I would note, however, that I still disagree with its inclusion; I simply don’t feel my understanding of the topic is/was materially impacted by its presence. If the experts on the topic, however, believe the image necessary, there’s no harm in its inclusion until things settle. ЭLСОВВОLД talk 15:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I've had a bit of a play with the image (cropped it down, despeckled it, converted to grayscale, tweaked the colour curve and sharpness, and converted it to JPEG per Wikipedia:Image use policy#Format). Don't know if it's an improvement? EyeSerene talk 20:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I've read that the 1963 first British edition was called "The President" and the 1964 first American edition was called "El Señor Presidente", but I'm not sure about the later editions. It would be good to have this information filled in. Thanks.-- Pharos ( talk) 02:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, Atheneum has only been an imprint of Macmillan since 1984 [5]. Is this incorrect?-- Pharos ( talk) 12:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Why were these language templates added throughout the article? I can't find the edit/editor that did them. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 12:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I undid the use of this template on proper names. I'm still not sure I see the point of them on (every instance of!) the book title. Would it be OK if it was there the first instance, for accessibility issues? Though on the template talk page, the issue seems to be about searches. I'm not sure I understand the purpose exactly. It's not as if there are chunks of text in Spanish. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 05:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
That semantic info is not only needed in search engines, it has many other uses (also by your browser). The template documentation has a good summary, but there are more. It's true that there is not a consensus even inside the W3C about whether the lang attribute should also be used for proper names. However, all the flowing proper names are Spanish words, so IMO the must also be tagged with the lang template: [6].
I didn't know that there is a template limit in Wikipedia, thanks for pointing me this out. However, IFAICT this limit is just for malicious pages crafted to cause a DoS attack, so even this article which contains many templates is very far from reaching the limits (see the following data generated by MediaWiki in the source code of the following version [7])NewPP limit report Preprocessor node count: 13460/1000000 Post-expand include size: 99612/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 41107/2048000 bytes Expensive parser function count: 0/500Cheers — surueña 08:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone who has helped to protect this page from vandalism! We really appreciate it. Happy Cinco de Mayo! :) -- Mfreud ( talk) 04:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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Can someone please check the source and make sure there was no space between the time and the pm?
Could an editor with access to the Barrueto's "A Latin American Indian Re-Reads the Canon" source check the article's quote "this narrative's goal is to prove that Latin American societies, though they are aware of the blueprint of Modenirty,..." for the spelling of Modenirty, since it appears it might be a misspelling of Modernity? If the quote is correct and Modernity is what is meant, perhaps a (sic) should be added. Otherwise, never mind. Thanks. -- Michael Devore ( talk) 19:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC) Done
One of the Walker citations is still to the excerpted version: 'The Zany, who "looked like a corpse when he was asleep" and had eyes that "saw nothing, felt nothing" is critical to establishing the tone of the novel and triggering the novel's action.[23]' Can we fix this? Many thanks. -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 19:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I finally found the proper source, it wasn't in the Walker article but from the novel itself. As long as I cited it correctly than it should be done.-- Katekonyk ( talk) 06:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Could someone correct "around these Latin American lands or the pages the tell their history"? Great work of course, that's why people like me look for the tiniest things to fix. :) – Outriggr § 01:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to swell the FAC with a lot of relatively minor points so I'll put them here:
I have spent most of my evening trying to find the source for two images of Manuel Estrada Cabrera. The first is the photograph which I believe was once used in this article. The second is a painting of him in later years.
It seems to me that the photograph was deleted prematurely. It is extremely likely that this is in the public domain. Cabrera is not old in this photograph, so it was almost certainly taken before 1909. It is also highly likely that it was published (otherwise, it would not be widely available now). This means it is in the public domain in the US (1909 and 1923 are the crucial dates in US copyright law), which is what matters for the Florida-based servers of Wikipedia.
The painting may or may not be public domain, but this should be easy to determine, once one knows who the painter was. Copyright in the US expires 70 years after the death of the author, so who was the painter, and when did he/she die? Geometry guy 22:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes but theres a problem, for foreign works the date is actually: July 1, 1909 so we need to know what month that book was published Acer ( talk) 23:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict, reply to Geoguy) Ah, but you see that wont work. While it is pretty obvious that the picture was taken before 1909 we dont know when it was published and that all that matters for copyright. For instance the photographer could've kept the picture in his closet for 40 years beforo publishing it... Not that I think it happened but we need to be ablr to prove it.. Acer ( talk) 23:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
With regards to the painting, a portrait of the ex-president was hung in the Palacio Municipal Quetzaltenango on 25 November 1925 (whether it is the same one..who knows?) Yomangani talk 23:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Congrats on the FA. Very cool. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast ( talk) 02:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
A massive Thank You to every single one of you out there who helped get this article to FA. It has been a great learning experience and without all your help, in so many areas we didn't understand, we couldn't have done it. Good Luck with future editing & everything else!-- Katekonyk ( talk) 03:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I second that!-- Mfreud ( talk) 04:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
So... It would be nice to be able to resolve the two issues that are still pending on images by May 5th, when this article is on the mainpage.
1. Can we find a free image of Manuel Estrada Cabrera. The relevant discussion is just above. As far as I understand, we need to find an image that was published before July 1, 1909 (if outside the USA) or some day in 1923 (if within the USA). Is that right?
2. Are we justified in using another non-free image on this page. Either:
2a. The cover image of the Spanish publication, specifically the first revised and corrected edition.
Or:
2b. One of the various images of Estrada Cabrera.
The discussion about this took place here. As far as I could see, the one person who was consistently arguing against the use of any further non-free articles (though there was no picture of Estrada on the page at the time) was ЭLСОВВОLД. And we'd reached a bit of a stand-off: ЭLСОВВОLД was not convinced by the arguments in favor; most others found those arguments convincing, perhaps for different reasons.
It was suggested that the person to decide on such things would have to be Raul654.
Is my summary accurate and fair? Where can we go from here? -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 03:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
(undent) To answer the other question, go ahead and restore the third edition image. There’s currently a storm brewing over NFCC#8 and, although the impetus is wording not germane to my objection, making NFCC#8 determinations would probably best be left until the criterion has stabilized. I would note, however, that I still disagree with its inclusion; I simply don’t feel my understanding of the topic is/was materially impacted by its presence. If the experts on the topic, however, believe the image necessary, there’s no harm in its inclusion until things settle. ЭLСОВВОLД talk 15:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I've had a bit of a play with the image (cropped it down, despeckled it, converted to grayscale, tweaked the colour curve and sharpness, and converted it to JPEG per Wikipedia:Image use policy#Format). Don't know if it's an improvement? EyeSerene talk 20:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I've read that the 1963 first British edition was called "The President" and the 1964 first American edition was called "El Señor Presidente", but I'm not sure about the later editions. It would be good to have this information filled in. Thanks.-- Pharos ( talk) 02:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, Atheneum has only been an imprint of Macmillan since 1984 [5]. Is this incorrect?-- Pharos ( talk) 12:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Why were these language templates added throughout the article? I can't find the edit/editor that did them. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 12:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I undid the use of this template on proper names. I'm still not sure I see the point of them on (every instance of!) the book title. Would it be OK if it was there the first instance, for accessibility issues? Though on the template talk page, the issue seems to be about searches. I'm not sure I understand the purpose exactly. It's not as if there are chunks of text in Spanish. -- jbmurray ( talk • contribs) 05:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
That semantic info is not only needed in search engines, it has many other uses (also by your browser). The template documentation has a good summary, but there are more. It's true that there is not a consensus even inside the W3C about whether the lang attribute should also be used for proper names. However, all the flowing proper names are Spanish words, so IMO the must also be tagged with the lang template: [6].
I didn't know that there is a template limit in Wikipedia, thanks for pointing me this out. However, IFAICT this limit is just for malicious pages crafted to cause a DoS attack, so even this article which contains many templates is very far from reaching the limits (see the following data generated by MediaWiki in the source code of the following version [7])NewPP limit report Preprocessor node count: 13460/1000000 Post-expand include size: 99612/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 41107/2048000 bytes Expensive parser function count: 0/500Cheers — surueña 08:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone who has helped to protect this page from vandalism! We really appreciate it. Happy Cinco de Mayo! :) -- Mfreud ( talk) 04:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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