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I removed the Munsö succession box because in history there never was a House of Munsö. It seems to be mostly a wikipedia-thing. The Swedish term "Munsöätten" does not occur on scholar.google.com. / Pieter Kuiper 16:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that Eric the Victorious never sat for Jenny Nyström (and neither did Odin, I think), the image is still copyrighted. Jenny Nyström died in 1946. / Pieter Kuiper 16:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
While I'm here, I wonder if the lead (which currently reads "Eric I the Victorious...") should read something more like "Eric I of Sweden, better known as Eric the Victorious..."; or should we follow the example of English monarchs named Edward (viz Edward the Elder, Edward the Martyr, and Edward the Confessor, all preceded Edward I), and simply drop the I from Eric I the Victorious in the lead? Any thoughts? Wilhelm_meis ( talk) 02:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
The claim that he took the side of the "peasants" may be a bit anachronistically expressed. Does anyone have the Swedish book this is referenced to, and/or is able to put their finger on the passage in Flateyjarbók? I'm thinking it is in the Saga of Olaf Tryggvason, and wonder whether it actually refers to bönder or what. Yngvadottir ( talk) 06:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
{{help}} This article was moved arbitrarily and is now inappropriately named in English against WP guidelines to use known English exonyms, and contrary to articles of all other Scandinavian royals on en.WP named Eric. It needs to be moved back. The user who did this move should also be warned about doing this kind of thing with no discussion and based only on personal POV. The name Eirik is virtually unknown in English, compared to Eric, and also poses needless phonetic difficulty in reading this text aloud. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 00:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Which Erik was an Erik before Eric the Victorious (source please)? Slatersteven ( talk) 16:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I must repeat: The content debate is about whether or not there were several Eriks before this one, not about whether or not there were any.
The general question I raised at ANI was about users whose language is not competent enough to be understood by readers, not about any content issue here. This (incompetently exchanging "several" for "any" because of poor English) is only one of thousands of problems English WP is having with that. I think every good-faither should be interested in solutions. Discouraging someone like me (who corrects hundreds of them), like you have, is not a solution. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 19:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Everyone knows Olof Skötkonung was the first king of Sweden, and Eric the Victorious was a semi-fictional/real king of the Svear/ Svealand.
Note the diffrence, sweden = Both Götaland + Svealand, not just svealand.
Saying Eric was the first king of Sweden is inaccurate and based on saga and not on arcelogical/historical evidence and not suitable for wikipedia, since this is an enclyclopedia, ment to educate based on evidence and reliable sources.
A similar half legendary person is Roland.
I'd recommend a change on his title from King of Swedes (same as Svear but eng-version"Swedes" cause much confusion, since it's the name of the later united kingdom of Sweden's population's name of Götar & Svear) to King of Svears, which is more appropriate, and removal of him from pages were he's refered as "king of Sweden".
Byzantios ( talk) 13:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Ragnvald Knaphövde#Coin design and discuss the artist there if necessary. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 22:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Dear FoCuSandLeArN: "seems that there is a dispute about the reliability"? - what an invention! That account is not neutal or accurate, as it ignores the main issue, the image captions. See Talk:Ragnvald Knaphövde#Caption makes image relevant. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 01:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Ignoring the caption's text agaion, an editor removed a relevant image for which there is plenty of room in this article. Editor in summary addressed the issue about whether or not this king minted coins. That's irrelevant. Nobody has ever claimed he minted coins. Editor already was corrected by neutral RfC here, though he tried to change the close to suit his POV (which he was asked here not to do). If necessary, we'll have to do the exact same thing over again here. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 21:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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"He is the first Swedish king attested in clearly independent sources" - 2 questions:
Since I see Eric as the first in a somewhat consecutive sequence, but not as the very first of all, I'm writing to the user who recently changed the wording for clarification. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 14:54, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Under the subsection, "Saga Sources," the last line of Thorvaldr Hjaltason's poem is translated as "Hunding's army," whereas the Wiki article on Styrbjörn the Strong rejects this translation in favor of "army of a myriad," arguing there's no other historical record of a "Hunding." Also, the other contemporaneous record in the Styrbjarnar þáttr Svíakappa mentions Styrbjorn as the leader and not a Hunding, so I think that part should be rewritten at least as an alternative between "an army of a myriad" or "an army of Hunding." Cornelius ( talk) 10:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Berig has been trying to add a note about the time being "infected" and that this has led to events being "dismissed". This is not in accordance to the source he used, which instead claim that "The Battle of Fýrisvellir ... can be classifiedas a relatively infected area". Then it goes non to discuss the critical approch to early Swedish history that originated with the Weibull brothers, clearly saying that it is this kind of source criticism that is the reason that " some historical events has become almost dismissed". These are not linked to the reign of Eric in any particular way, it could well be that these other events are earlier or later.
There are certainly other issues regarding Eric that has been debated, most notably the problem of his spouse according to norse sources, Sigrid Storråda, to some degree perhaps whether he founded Sigtuna, but these do not mean that the age itself is "infested", and to make such a claim, one should bring stronger evidence than misquotations from a master thesis.
Andejons ( talk) 07:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
No source for any of this entertaining tidbit:
"According to saga sources, Eric also had a beautiful daughter. A Swede named Åke desired her and she wanted him. Eric however forbade his marriage proposal, since he had a client king in Kyivan Rus that he wanted to marry her off to. After that marriage took place Åke got jealous and angry at Eric's Russian client king for taking his love. Åke retaliated by traveling to Russia with a friend and killing Eric's Russian client king, taking Eric's daughter. Åke then allied himself with powerful Swedish jarls to avoid retaliation by Eric. For some years nothing happened and Åke had a son Edmund, father of Ingvar the Far-Travelled, leader of the Rus expedition to the Caspian Sea. Eric and Åke later had a good relationship and became friends once again. Eric would marry a girl name Aud.Before the wedding, Haakon Jarl said that Eric should do something against Åke and that his actions against Eric must be punished. Haakon offered Eric gifts if he took revenge and offered to help him take revenge. Eric then started a plot for revenge. Eric armed his guards and killed Åke when he was leaving the party drunk together with his drunken bodyguards."
I will be removing all of it unless a clearly reliable source is cited very soon. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 21:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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I removed the Munsö succession box because in history there never was a House of Munsö. It seems to be mostly a wikipedia-thing. The Swedish term "Munsöätten" does not occur on scholar.google.com. / Pieter Kuiper 16:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Aside from the fact that Eric the Victorious never sat for Jenny Nyström (and neither did Odin, I think), the image is still copyrighted. Jenny Nyström died in 1946. / Pieter Kuiper 16:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
While I'm here, I wonder if the lead (which currently reads "Eric I the Victorious...") should read something more like "Eric I of Sweden, better known as Eric the Victorious..."; or should we follow the example of English monarchs named Edward (viz Edward the Elder, Edward the Martyr, and Edward the Confessor, all preceded Edward I), and simply drop the I from Eric I the Victorious in the lead? Any thoughts? Wilhelm_meis ( talk) 02:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
The claim that he took the side of the "peasants" may be a bit anachronistically expressed. Does anyone have the Swedish book this is referenced to, and/or is able to put their finger on the passage in Flateyjarbók? I'm thinking it is in the Saga of Olaf Tryggvason, and wonder whether it actually refers to bönder or what. Yngvadottir ( talk) 06:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
{{help}} This article was moved arbitrarily and is now inappropriately named in English against WP guidelines to use known English exonyms, and contrary to articles of all other Scandinavian royals on en.WP named Eric. It needs to be moved back. The user who did this move should also be warned about doing this kind of thing with no discussion and based only on personal POV. The name Eirik is virtually unknown in English, compared to Eric, and also poses needless phonetic difficulty in reading this text aloud. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 00:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Which Erik was an Erik before Eric the Victorious (source please)? Slatersteven ( talk) 16:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I must repeat: The content debate is about whether or not there were several Eriks before this one, not about whether or not there were any.
The general question I raised at ANI was about users whose language is not competent enough to be understood by readers, not about any content issue here. This (incompetently exchanging "several" for "any" because of poor English) is only one of thousands of problems English WP is having with that. I think every good-faither should be interested in solutions. Discouraging someone like me (who corrects hundreds of them), like you have, is not a solution. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 19:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Everyone knows Olof Skötkonung was the first king of Sweden, and Eric the Victorious was a semi-fictional/real king of the Svear/ Svealand.
Note the diffrence, sweden = Both Götaland + Svealand, not just svealand.
Saying Eric was the first king of Sweden is inaccurate and based on saga and not on arcelogical/historical evidence and not suitable for wikipedia, since this is an enclyclopedia, ment to educate based on evidence and reliable sources.
A similar half legendary person is Roland.
I'd recommend a change on his title from King of Swedes (same as Svear but eng-version"Swedes" cause much confusion, since it's the name of the later united kingdom of Sweden's population's name of Götar & Svear) to King of Svears, which is more appropriate, and removal of him from pages were he's refered as "king of Sweden".
Byzantios ( talk) 13:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Ragnvald Knaphövde#Coin design and discuss the artist there if necessary. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 22:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Dear FoCuSandLeArN: "seems that there is a dispute about the reliability"? - what an invention! That account is not neutal or accurate, as it ignores the main issue, the image captions. See Talk:Ragnvald Knaphövde#Caption makes image relevant. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 01:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Ignoring the caption's text agaion, an editor removed a relevant image for which there is plenty of room in this article. Editor in summary addressed the issue about whether or not this king minted coins. That's irrelevant. Nobody has ever claimed he minted coins. Editor already was corrected by neutral RfC here, though he tried to change the close to suit his POV (which he was asked here not to do). If necessary, we'll have to do the exact same thing over again here. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 21:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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"He is the first Swedish king attested in clearly independent sources" - 2 questions:
Since I see Eric as the first in a somewhat consecutive sequence, but not as the very first of all, I'm writing to the user who recently changed the wording for clarification. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 14:54, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Under the subsection, "Saga Sources," the last line of Thorvaldr Hjaltason's poem is translated as "Hunding's army," whereas the Wiki article on Styrbjörn the Strong rejects this translation in favor of "army of a myriad," arguing there's no other historical record of a "Hunding." Also, the other contemporaneous record in the Styrbjarnar þáttr Svíakappa mentions Styrbjorn as the leader and not a Hunding, so I think that part should be rewritten at least as an alternative between "an army of a myriad" or "an army of Hunding." Cornelius ( talk) 10:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Berig has been trying to add a note about the time being "infected" and that this has led to events being "dismissed". This is not in accordance to the source he used, which instead claim that "The Battle of Fýrisvellir ... can be classifiedas a relatively infected area". Then it goes non to discuss the critical approch to early Swedish history that originated with the Weibull brothers, clearly saying that it is this kind of source criticism that is the reason that " some historical events has become almost dismissed". These are not linked to the reign of Eric in any particular way, it could well be that these other events are earlier or later.
There are certainly other issues regarding Eric that has been debated, most notably the problem of his spouse according to norse sources, Sigrid Storråda, to some degree perhaps whether he founded Sigtuna, but these do not mean that the age itself is "infested", and to make such a claim, one should bring stronger evidence than misquotations from a master thesis.
Andejons ( talk) 07:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
No source for any of this entertaining tidbit:
"According to saga sources, Eric also had a beautiful daughter. A Swede named Åke desired her and she wanted him. Eric however forbade his marriage proposal, since he had a client king in Kyivan Rus that he wanted to marry her off to. After that marriage took place Åke got jealous and angry at Eric's Russian client king for taking his love. Åke retaliated by traveling to Russia with a friend and killing Eric's Russian client king, taking Eric's daughter. Åke then allied himself with powerful Swedish jarls to avoid retaliation by Eric. For some years nothing happened and Åke had a son Edmund, father of Ingvar the Far-Travelled, leader of the Rus expedition to the Caspian Sea. Eric and Åke later had a good relationship and became friends once again. Eric would marry a girl name Aud.Before the wedding, Haakon Jarl said that Eric should do something against Åke and that his actions against Eric must be punished. Haakon offered Eric gifts if he took revenge and offered to help him take revenge. Eric then started a plot for revenge. Eric armed his guards and killed Åke when he was leaving the party drunk together with his drunken bodyguards."
I will be removing all of it unless a clearly reliable source is cited very soon. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 21:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)