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I've just deleted a section here entitled "eircom's profiteering", in which it was confidently asserted that eircom did nothing about spam as a way of getting more dialup minutes and boosting profits. This is biased and misleading, as is a lot of this article. I personally opposed the privatisation of eircom, but how can one repeatedly refer to this event as a "fiasco" in an objective article? It was not good for people who lost money in the end, but that is what speculating on the stock exchange can involve. The proceeds from the initial sale were invested in the national pension fund for the beefit of all irish workers. Before the privatisation the company was a semi-state, with a large stake in the company held by Telia and KPN. Prevarication by the owners of this stake, and the crash in the telecoms sector led to the negative outcome in terms of share price when the company was bought be a private entity in 2002. The company was floated again in 2004, yielding a large return to its private investors.
As the original author of the admittedly rather nasty piece, I've attempted to edit it for tone. Djegen is right however, the actual content is true. I have edited to point out the bits that are simply "assumptions" - but they are rather valid assumptions/allegations, based on "Eircom wants to make money". As a dominant company, with a virtual monopoly, they do not play fair to acheive the profit. This is not made up. I hope the piece is a bit more careful, and if you have problems with it, then do please edit - but it should not be removed en-masse. Zoney 20:50, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm new to wiki, so apologies for wholesale paragraph removal. What I can't understand is innacurate statements such as "The majority of Eircom's revenue now comes from dial-up internet charges." being included in something that claims to be factual and neutral. Can you substantiate this claim? Where did you get it from?
Actually, it stands for Asymetric. And always has.
"DSL" over ISDN isn't DSL, as such. DSL can only be implemented over PSTN (analogue phones). "DSL" over ISDN is closer to E1 standards.
Actually, DSL refers to a family of technologies for transmitting data over copper wires. "Digital Subscriber Line" technology. It comes in a few forms, ADSL being the most common for internet access in all markets, including Ireland. The "A" = Asymetric i.e. one side is bigger than the other. This means, the download speed is much faster than the upload. SDSL, where the "S" = Symetric does exist, but it's not really much use to a home user.
ADSL is possible over either a POTS (normal telephone line) or ISDN line. However, it requires different equipment for each line type. Annex 1 modems - POTS Annex 2 modems - ISDN
eircom, and many other companies, opted to only provide Annex 1 DSL service as the number of ISDN lines in use in Ireland for voice service is quite small. Where ISDN was installed, it was used for providing internet access. So it was logical from an economic perspective to roll out only the Annex 1 version of DSL and require ISDN users to downgrade to a POTS line. The situation in Germany and some other EU countries was different, many voice lines were provided over ISDN, so there was more of a market for DSL over ISDN lines.
When DSL is used on a line, ISDN or POTS, it simply piggy backs a signal over on the line using frequencies that are not used by the existing analogue telephone service or ISDN service. It has nothing to do with E1 service, or any other ISDN data services. eircom, like BT and other companies, made a decision to only have 1 type of DSL equipment in exchanges, i.e. for POTS service.
I actually want to add more complaints about Eircom. Here's one. Line quality. An astounding rumour I have heard (I'd like it substantiated, as it seems likely) is that when ComReg was set up and QoS levels set for Eircom - they removed all dial-up obligations!!! Apparently Eircom previously had to ensure that the line quality was at least good enough for a measly (9600baud?) connection. Now, all they have to provide is sufficient quality for voice.
The following is not rumour. Lots of lines around the country are degrading, to such a level that dial-up is only acheivable at speeds way below 56k. In fact, some subscribers have difficulty connecting at all!!! We have this situation at home. Another person I know has the same problem in a rural area in Co. Cork. Again, the worse the line quality is, the more money Eircom make. Every failed connection attempt is another phone call - oh - and didn't they raise the minimum call duration to 5 mins? So 3 times attempting to connect on dialup = 15 minutes call time. Lovely.
So yes - I will be adding this issue - once I can coherently address it. Feel free to comment - or add your own experiences with a company that makes BT look like angels. (Not that Eircom haven't been taking lessons - the broadband trigger facade is a carbon-copy - except BT didn't have the audacity to set them at IMPOSSIBLE levels - just improbable levels).
Zoney 20:58, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm afraid that this information, like most concerned about Eircom line bitstream speed, is false. Eircom lines are more than capable of carrying a 7MB connection currently, with future plans to develop and upgrade to faster speeds.
This is sourced by eircom themselves, doing line tests on the exchanges around the country. These tests are highly accurate and performed by trained and qualified individuals.
This page is becoming more and more biased by the entry, but unfortunately, eircom's somewhat morally gray tactics are to blame, not the opinions of the customers. Plus the fact that everything source about the shareholder dispute is actually very well done, being a huge story and circulated in the Irish media for some time afterwards.
I added a bit at the end about Eircom Broadband and blocking certain things on it. Sure, I think it is totally unfair and illegal, but that is just my opinion. You have to edit the page in a way that opens the door for debate on the issue, rather than selling a certain point of view. Wikipedia is after all a fairly neutral playground. Anybody who has anything relevant to the story please add away. ````NoVaCascaDe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.232.98 ( talk) 21:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any need for the NPOV header here anymore - the article has been toned down a lot since it was slapped on, or so it seems. Kiand 01:55, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I will be first to say that it's hard to write about Eircom in a neutral (read "nice") fashion. I mean, essentially
is entirely accurate. However, common sense should dictate we refrain from such obviously improper additions.
There's still the problem that the more (entirely true and factual) details we include, and the more the article is expanded, the worse Eircom looks. I mean, there is NO possible way the broadband trickery can be presented in a good or neutral light. They are outright LYING to the whole Irish public, the government, and their shareholders. I certainly hope the next EU survey shows us bottom of the 25 for broadband (of course, we are already in the bottom ten in the latest such survey, even including the new members!!!)
Any suggestions?
zoney ♣ talk 21:11, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I mean, they may well be profiteering bastards, but half of this article is a rant on their prices, quality, customer service, etc... really not neutral. -- Ce garcon 05:13, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
eircom's corporate branding would have it that the company name is always spelled with a lower case "e". Should we honour this in the article title and throughout? -- Ryano 17:03, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't the 'e' be more correctly 'é'? - ( Aidan Work 05:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC))
Djegan, I reckon that spelling Eirecom's name with a lower case 'e' is wrong. I reckon it should start with 'é', given the fact that the Irish name for Ireland starts with 'é'. What do you think? - ( Aidan Work 00:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC))
Djegan, it is a very funny way of trying to anglicise an Irish-Gaelic word. Thanks for clarifying the reasons why the fada is not used. - ( Aidan Work 00:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC))
Djegan, That was a very good point, however I believe that if the company wanted to use some aspect of
Irish in their logo, they should have respected all what came with it. If you look at international companies not that far away from us, you see that even though they do not use the fada/accute accent on their corporate logo, they do when used in textual form. These examples include
France Télécom and
Telefónica.
I also read a rather insulting online commentary from a website which slated the
eircom name-change because, they went for the EIRcom logo as (aparantly) the AIRcom name was already taken both in trademark and .com website domain
[1]. Now i know this is ignorance on their part but i do believe having the é even in the textual form of the company name would distinguish to international and local observers that there must be a linguistic reason for the eircom rather than simply a cheaper alternative than forking out for the AIRcom rights.
--
Ró2000
23:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
The manual of style ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style) specifically gives an example on when to use lowercase names for companies (search for "eBay"). I have made this change in the article, hopefully I got them all! 2A04:4540:6F03:601:78DF:8E9F:535A:E863 ( talk) 20:03, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Also, I cannot move the page to rename it to "eir". Could someone else take care of this? 2A04:4540:6F03:601:78DF:8E9F:535A:E863 ( talk) 20:06, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
This article is very pov - criticism is implicit, if not explicit, in almost every sentence. Contributors should have a look at the Microsoft article. I think this does a good job giving a npov account of a much-vilified corporation. Criticisms are reported (not levelled) only in the section devoted to them, and only criticisms which have been well - documented are accounted - not whatever annoys any given contributor. There is material here for a decent eircom article, so we should try to match that with good, unbiased writing
eircom recently (feb 2006) automatically "upgraded" all their broadband 30 euro a month customers to faster speeds at the same price. soon after less than three months they increased the price of this new faster speed connection to 40 euro a month. A sneaky and questionable sales tactic designed to exploit the massive intertia of eircom customers? Customers can downgrade back to 30 euro a month and are presented with information on their bill but most will not. Cannot think of an unbaised way to add this criticism to the article.
-- Liam123 23:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
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I have noticed that eircom have recently changed the colours of their logo, removing the blue from "eircom" and changing it instead to a greyish-brown. This is officially the new company colours as shown on numberous communications from the company. I have tried to upload this however it gets rejected as i have no permissions to do so. -- RóNáN 01:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I have read recently in the Irish Independent that the australian private investemt house " Babcock & Brown" are to split eircom into the core Wholesale Network Devision and retain this while selling the fixed-line Retail and Mobile (Meteor) business. Will this not only add to the deminishing telecoms infrastructure of our country? The Government gave away the national telecoms network, only for it to be put in the hands of a foreign investment house, intent of squeezing every bit of value out of the business for their own gain. The Governement should re-aquire the wholesale fixed-line Network and but it back in national ownership so we can concentrate on developing NGN Networks for the well-being of the national interest. -- RóNáN 22:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I object to my reasonable corrections of error and clarification getting dismissed out of hand Wattyirl, 18:13 UTC 4th Nov 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.234.125.171 ( talk) 18:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Which EU law required the Irish government to privatise Telecom Eireann which led to Eircom?-- 193.1.96.36 ( talk) 19:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
the vast majority of this stuff is just abuse. eircom is a private company and tries to maximize profits. So does ntl, upc, ibm and your local greengrocer. They are a monopoly. Well to some extent the copper access network in most countries is a natural monopoly, and someone has to own it. What do you want, 4 or 5 companies erecting poles across the land? Criticism of dsl rollout is fair enough, but please compare it to other countries with a similarly geographically dispersed population, and add government subsidies into the mix. Same goes for customer service. And, finally, the govt. did not give eircom away. The democratically elected govt. of Ireland SOLD it, for hundreds of millions. If you think they should re-acquire it, engage in the political process. Compare ISDN service, carrier distribution, and DSL prices with peer countries before allowing your head to boil. And do you suppose I work for eircom? Yes I do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.134.57.36 ( talk) 21:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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http://digg.com/tech_news/Music_Industry_Orders_BitTorrent_Blackout Apparently new reports are that they are censoring the internet, so perhaps a mention of this controversy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.40.220 ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
This move isn't censorship by Eircom. Censorship in the usual current meaning of the word is a vile and despicable thing done to prevent free information. Preventing copyright material from being stolen is hardly something on that kind of level. Please refrain from using hyperbole and inaccurate words in Wikipedia to further your views. Anonywiki ( talk) 21:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
This section is very brief and very strange! Is "performances in Europe improving dramatically with clubs knocking out teams like Aberdeen, Gretna, Gothenburg and Elfsborg and the financial collapse of the clubs who achieved those results" intended to be ironic? And the logo is huge! It gives the impression that the remainder of the article is all about football. I recommend either expanding the section so it makes some sense or removing it altogether and stating the bald fact that eircom sponsored the LOI elsewhere in the article, say under "Services". Likewise the logo should be either drastically shrunk or deleted. Scolaire ( talk) 13:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Reading the section "Disposal of Eircell, going private and reflotation", it looks like eircom shareholders lost out when the company went private. They got their vodafone shares from the sale of eircell but did they get anything from whatever shares they still had when Valentia bought eircom?
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I've just deleted a section here entitled "eircom's profiteering", in which it was confidently asserted that eircom did nothing about spam as a way of getting more dialup minutes and boosting profits. This is biased and misleading, as is a lot of this article. I personally opposed the privatisation of eircom, but how can one repeatedly refer to this event as a "fiasco" in an objective article? It was not good for people who lost money in the end, but that is what speculating on the stock exchange can involve. The proceeds from the initial sale were invested in the national pension fund for the beefit of all irish workers. Before the privatisation the company was a semi-state, with a large stake in the company held by Telia and KPN. Prevarication by the owners of this stake, and the crash in the telecoms sector led to the negative outcome in terms of share price when the company was bought be a private entity in 2002. The company was floated again in 2004, yielding a large return to its private investors.
As the original author of the admittedly rather nasty piece, I've attempted to edit it for tone. Djegen is right however, the actual content is true. I have edited to point out the bits that are simply "assumptions" - but they are rather valid assumptions/allegations, based on "Eircom wants to make money". As a dominant company, with a virtual monopoly, they do not play fair to acheive the profit. This is not made up. I hope the piece is a bit more careful, and if you have problems with it, then do please edit - but it should not be removed en-masse. Zoney 20:50, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm new to wiki, so apologies for wholesale paragraph removal. What I can't understand is innacurate statements such as "The majority of Eircom's revenue now comes from dial-up internet charges." being included in something that claims to be factual and neutral. Can you substantiate this claim? Where did you get it from?
Actually, it stands for Asymetric. And always has.
"DSL" over ISDN isn't DSL, as such. DSL can only be implemented over PSTN (analogue phones). "DSL" over ISDN is closer to E1 standards.
Actually, DSL refers to a family of technologies for transmitting data over copper wires. "Digital Subscriber Line" technology. It comes in a few forms, ADSL being the most common for internet access in all markets, including Ireland. The "A" = Asymetric i.e. one side is bigger than the other. This means, the download speed is much faster than the upload. SDSL, where the "S" = Symetric does exist, but it's not really much use to a home user.
ADSL is possible over either a POTS (normal telephone line) or ISDN line. However, it requires different equipment for each line type. Annex 1 modems - POTS Annex 2 modems - ISDN
eircom, and many other companies, opted to only provide Annex 1 DSL service as the number of ISDN lines in use in Ireland for voice service is quite small. Where ISDN was installed, it was used for providing internet access. So it was logical from an economic perspective to roll out only the Annex 1 version of DSL and require ISDN users to downgrade to a POTS line. The situation in Germany and some other EU countries was different, many voice lines were provided over ISDN, so there was more of a market for DSL over ISDN lines.
When DSL is used on a line, ISDN or POTS, it simply piggy backs a signal over on the line using frequencies that are not used by the existing analogue telephone service or ISDN service. It has nothing to do with E1 service, or any other ISDN data services. eircom, like BT and other companies, made a decision to only have 1 type of DSL equipment in exchanges, i.e. for POTS service.
I actually want to add more complaints about Eircom. Here's one. Line quality. An astounding rumour I have heard (I'd like it substantiated, as it seems likely) is that when ComReg was set up and QoS levels set for Eircom - they removed all dial-up obligations!!! Apparently Eircom previously had to ensure that the line quality was at least good enough for a measly (9600baud?) connection. Now, all they have to provide is sufficient quality for voice.
The following is not rumour. Lots of lines around the country are degrading, to such a level that dial-up is only acheivable at speeds way below 56k. In fact, some subscribers have difficulty connecting at all!!! We have this situation at home. Another person I know has the same problem in a rural area in Co. Cork. Again, the worse the line quality is, the more money Eircom make. Every failed connection attempt is another phone call - oh - and didn't they raise the minimum call duration to 5 mins? So 3 times attempting to connect on dialup = 15 minutes call time. Lovely.
So yes - I will be adding this issue - once I can coherently address it. Feel free to comment - or add your own experiences with a company that makes BT look like angels. (Not that Eircom haven't been taking lessons - the broadband trigger facade is a carbon-copy - except BT didn't have the audacity to set them at IMPOSSIBLE levels - just improbable levels).
Zoney 20:58, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm afraid that this information, like most concerned about Eircom line bitstream speed, is false. Eircom lines are more than capable of carrying a 7MB connection currently, with future plans to develop and upgrade to faster speeds.
This is sourced by eircom themselves, doing line tests on the exchanges around the country. These tests are highly accurate and performed by trained and qualified individuals.
This page is becoming more and more biased by the entry, but unfortunately, eircom's somewhat morally gray tactics are to blame, not the opinions of the customers. Plus the fact that everything source about the shareholder dispute is actually very well done, being a huge story and circulated in the Irish media for some time afterwards.
I added a bit at the end about Eircom Broadband and blocking certain things on it. Sure, I think it is totally unfair and illegal, but that is just my opinion. You have to edit the page in a way that opens the door for debate on the issue, rather than selling a certain point of view. Wikipedia is after all a fairly neutral playground. Anybody who has anything relevant to the story please add away. ````NoVaCascaDe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.232.98 ( talk) 21:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any need for the NPOV header here anymore - the article has been toned down a lot since it was slapped on, or so it seems. Kiand 01:55, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I will be first to say that it's hard to write about Eircom in a neutral (read "nice") fashion. I mean, essentially
is entirely accurate. However, common sense should dictate we refrain from such obviously improper additions.
There's still the problem that the more (entirely true and factual) details we include, and the more the article is expanded, the worse Eircom looks. I mean, there is NO possible way the broadband trickery can be presented in a good or neutral light. They are outright LYING to the whole Irish public, the government, and their shareholders. I certainly hope the next EU survey shows us bottom of the 25 for broadband (of course, we are already in the bottom ten in the latest such survey, even including the new members!!!)
Any suggestions?
zoney ♣ talk 21:11, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I mean, they may well be profiteering bastards, but half of this article is a rant on their prices, quality, customer service, etc... really not neutral. -- Ce garcon 05:13, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
eircom's corporate branding would have it that the company name is always spelled with a lower case "e". Should we honour this in the article title and throughout? -- Ryano 17:03, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't the 'e' be more correctly 'é'? - ( Aidan Work 05:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC))
Djegan, I reckon that spelling Eirecom's name with a lower case 'e' is wrong. I reckon it should start with 'é', given the fact that the Irish name for Ireland starts with 'é'. What do you think? - ( Aidan Work 00:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC))
Djegan, it is a very funny way of trying to anglicise an Irish-Gaelic word. Thanks for clarifying the reasons why the fada is not used. - ( Aidan Work 00:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC))
Djegan, That was a very good point, however I believe that if the company wanted to use some aspect of
Irish in their logo, they should have respected all what came with it. If you look at international companies not that far away from us, you see that even though they do not use the fada/accute accent on their corporate logo, they do when used in textual form. These examples include
France Télécom and
Telefónica.
I also read a rather insulting online commentary from a website which slated the
eircom name-change because, they went for the EIRcom logo as (aparantly) the AIRcom name was already taken both in trademark and .com website domain
[1]. Now i know this is ignorance on their part but i do believe having the é even in the textual form of the company name would distinguish to international and local observers that there must be a linguistic reason for the eircom rather than simply a cheaper alternative than forking out for the AIRcom rights.
--
Ró2000
23:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
The manual of style ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style) specifically gives an example on when to use lowercase names for companies (search for "eBay"). I have made this change in the article, hopefully I got them all! 2A04:4540:6F03:601:78DF:8E9F:535A:E863 ( talk) 20:03, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Also, I cannot move the page to rename it to "eir". Could someone else take care of this? 2A04:4540:6F03:601:78DF:8E9F:535A:E863 ( talk) 20:06, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
This article is very pov - criticism is implicit, if not explicit, in almost every sentence. Contributors should have a look at the Microsoft article. I think this does a good job giving a npov account of a much-vilified corporation. Criticisms are reported (not levelled) only in the section devoted to them, and only criticisms which have been well - documented are accounted - not whatever annoys any given contributor. There is material here for a decent eircom article, so we should try to match that with good, unbiased writing
eircom recently (feb 2006) automatically "upgraded" all their broadband 30 euro a month customers to faster speeds at the same price. soon after less than three months they increased the price of this new faster speed connection to 40 euro a month. A sneaky and questionable sales tactic designed to exploit the massive intertia of eircom customers? Customers can downgrade back to 30 euro a month and are presented with information on their bill but most will not. Cannot think of an unbaised way to add this criticism to the article.
-- Liam123 23:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
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I have noticed that eircom have recently changed the colours of their logo, removing the blue from "eircom" and changing it instead to a greyish-brown. This is officially the new company colours as shown on numberous communications from the company. I have tried to upload this however it gets rejected as i have no permissions to do so. -- RóNáN 01:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I have read recently in the Irish Independent that the australian private investemt house " Babcock & Brown" are to split eircom into the core Wholesale Network Devision and retain this while selling the fixed-line Retail and Mobile (Meteor) business. Will this not only add to the deminishing telecoms infrastructure of our country? The Government gave away the national telecoms network, only for it to be put in the hands of a foreign investment house, intent of squeezing every bit of value out of the business for their own gain. The Governement should re-aquire the wholesale fixed-line Network and but it back in national ownership so we can concentrate on developing NGN Networks for the well-being of the national interest. -- RóNáN 22:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I object to my reasonable corrections of error and clarification getting dismissed out of hand Wattyirl, 18:13 UTC 4th Nov 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.234.125.171 ( talk) 18:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Which EU law required the Irish government to privatise Telecom Eireann which led to Eircom?-- 193.1.96.36 ( talk) 19:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
the vast majority of this stuff is just abuse. eircom is a private company and tries to maximize profits. So does ntl, upc, ibm and your local greengrocer. They are a monopoly. Well to some extent the copper access network in most countries is a natural monopoly, and someone has to own it. What do you want, 4 or 5 companies erecting poles across the land? Criticism of dsl rollout is fair enough, but please compare it to other countries with a similarly geographically dispersed population, and add government subsidies into the mix. Same goes for customer service. And, finally, the govt. did not give eircom away. The democratically elected govt. of Ireland SOLD it, for hundreds of millions. If you think they should re-acquire it, engage in the political process. Compare ISDN service, carrier distribution, and DSL prices with peer countries before allowing your head to boil. And do you suppose I work for eircom? Yes I do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.134.57.36 ( talk) 21:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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http://digg.com/tech_news/Music_Industry_Orders_BitTorrent_Blackout Apparently new reports are that they are censoring the internet, so perhaps a mention of this controversy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.40.220 ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
This move isn't censorship by Eircom. Censorship in the usual current meaning of the word is a vile and despicable thing done to prevent free information. Preventing copyright material from being stolen is hardly something on that kind of level. Please refrain from using hyperbole and inaccurate words in Wikipedia to further your views. Anonywiki ( talk) 21:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
This section is very brief and very strange! Is "performances in Europe improving dramatically with clubs knocking out teams like Aberdeen, Gretna, Gothenburg and Elfsborg and the financial collapse of the clubs who achieved those results" intended to be ironic? And the logo is huge! It gives the impression that the remainder of the article is all about football. I recommend either expanding the section so it makes some sense or removing it altogether and stating the bald fact that eircom sponsored the LOI elsewhere in the article, say under "Services". Likewise the logo should be either drastically shrunk or deleted. Scolaire ( talk) 13:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Reading the section "Disposal of Eircell, going private and reflotation", it looks like eircom shareholders lost out when the company went private. They got their vodafone shares from the sale of eircell but did they get anything from whatever shares they still had when Valentia bought eircom?
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