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It's been confirmed by AP that Jeremy Smith on the China men's national ice hockey team "said he was never asked to renounce his U.S. citizenship" as a naturalized Chinese athlete. [1] This makes me wonder if the nationality controversy is even worth addressing in the main article about Gu or if she should just be listed with both nationalities. It is not addressed on the pages for any of the naturalized ice hockey players from the U.S. For Gu, it really only became an issue because from 2019 on a lot of the media in China heavily pushed the narrative that she had renounced U.S. citizenship, and people started looking into it. YgFZAcpJUJ ( talk) 05:29, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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According to her Olympic profile, "she renounced her United States citizenship for Chinese citizenship". [1] When you renounce your citizenship it means you have lost your citizenship, you are no longer a citizen of the country you chose to renounce which means you don't get to havw a passport. [2] This wikipedia article make it seems as if some stuff aren't clear and that there are evidence to the contrary (what?). It says "China does not recognize multiple citizenship after the age of 18. It is unclear whether she has relinquished her American passport as required by Chinese law as there is some evidence to the contrary". Recent articles make it clear that she has renounced her American citizenship.-- 41.42.104.33 ( talk) 20:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
The source says she plays it. Can this be changed to As a hobby, Gu plays the piano.? 2001:8003:DDAA:5A00:A127:4004:F21E:908E ( talk) 02:00, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Isn't adding the "silence" of Gu on Xinjiang and HK a breach of neutral tone? We should only be adding to personal life and political opinion based of what she has said...not what she hasn't. I think this section should be scratched, until she has made a comment on either crisis. Garlicbreadtea ( talk) 06:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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change "Peking University Women's Speed Skiing team" to "Peking University Women's Speed Skating Team"
Here is the source:
https://www.lapeople.com/news/52988.html
There is also no such thing as "Speed Skiing". Seeping81 ( talk) 06:22, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Actually, there IS such a thing as Speed_skiing. But, it's not what this person was involved in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertjm ( talk • contribs) 08:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
You all should clear up the section about her mom and her. Was Gu Ailing raised in China? How is she Chinese if she was born and raised in the US? Why so much about her mom? It's mess. 65.110.214.98 ( talk) 05:58, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I have some doubts as to the necessity and accuracy of the translation of 爱凌 (currently 'Love-Ice'), serendipitous though it is. I cannot find any precedent for making literal translations of Chinese names, which tend not to be literal in meaning. I can't find a credible source for this, but I believe Eileen was named after her late aunt, who was named 凌, and therefore "Ailing" means "love 凌", which renders the 'love-ice' translation moot. If someone more knowledgeable in Chinese can provide some clarification, it would be much appreciated. brendanhylin ( talk) 19:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
On another note, shouldn't the full name (Eileen Feng Gu) be included in the lede? brendanhylin ( talk) 01:19, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm not very clear about the proper usage of this hatnote, but it seems to me that since the article uses her English name, the hatnote is redundant, no? It should be pretty clear that Gu is the family name in this instance. brendanhylin ( talk) 20:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Sources largely say "Chinese mother and American father," contrasting the nationality/citizenship of her parents (not their race/ethnicity). That and the fact that she had to naturalize with China in 2019 would suggest that her mother was a Chinese citizen and U.S. permanent resident when she was born. There's also some evidence her mother was still a Chinese citizen and U.S. permanent resident in 2019, as her mother's Chinese citizenship is the only criteria that would seem to satisfy FIS' requirements for switching nationality on acquiring new citizenship (apart from being born in China or residing there for two years). No reliable sources appear to comment on the race/ethnicity of her father and the article should avoid speculation there. -- YgFZAcpJUJ ( talk) 19:28, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
As seen above, last year, there was discussion about Gu's citizenship because there was uncertainty on her nationality situation due to China's laws regarding the recognition or revoking of Chinese nationality in regards to being a dual national. As it stands, it seems like her exact nationality situation is largely ambiguous or not fully confirmed. Perhaps purposefully so.
Last year's discussion seemed to be rather contentious, and for the longest time, the page described her as simply "American-born" [5] seemingly without any opposition. This was changed on 12 February 2023 by an IP user without providing any discussion here [6]
If the subject has a complex/uncertain citizenship situation, it is often omitted per
WP:ETHNICITY. in controversial or unclear cases, nationality is sometimes omitted
Sports examples include former basketball player
Joakim Noah, soccer player (or footballer)
Andre Gray and many other soccer players with national careers that differ from their birth country. For non-sports people, there are also examples like
Tina Turner. So, I've removed mention of a specific nationality in the lede, but the subsequent sentences provide context on her birth and the country she represents in sports until further discussion.
Clear Looking Glass (
talk)
04:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
This article is about an athlete (and a model), not a dissident. The "Nationality and citizenship" section is longer than any other section of the article. It details Chinese law and covers reports by Chinese state media. We report facts, not speculation, via reliable sources. Eileen Gu is not on trial on Wikipedia.
Much of the content about Gu's mother reinforces the Chinese tiger parent stereotype (particularly the quote related to her training: "Yan is very pleasant but one of the most intense human beings I have ever met. She smiles and tells you how great you are. But then you find out, after the fact, what the requests are. She loves her daughter and wants her daughter to get priority...") In addition, the entire section about the academy is from the New York Post, which is a deprecated source. The mention of Woodward Tahoe is essentially an ad: a "33,000 square foot Indoor Action Sports Hub training next-generation athletes". (It is sourced to a Facebook page.)
Other sources include a Forbes story written by a contributor, The Willstonian, a high school newspaper, Business Insider, Facebook posts from primary sources, and a publication called JTM, which refers to Gu using male pronouns. Not a great indication of fact-checking.
In an attempt to avoid a wall of text, I will leave specifics in the edit summaries. But, in short: WP:COATRACK, WP:SYNTHESIS, BALANCE, WP:RELIABLE and WP: We can do better. JSFarman ( talk) 02:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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It's been confirmed by AP that Jeremy Smith on the China men's national ice hockey team "said he was never asked to renounce his U.S. citizenship" as a naturalized Chinese athlete. [1] This makes me wonder if the nationality controversy is even worth addressing in the main article about Gu or if she should just be listed with both nationalities. It is not addressed on the pages for any of the naturalized ice hockey players from the U.S. For Gu, it really only became an issue because from 2019 on a lot of the media in China heavily pushed the narrative that she had renounced U.S. citizenship, and people started looking into it. YgFZAcpJUJ ( talk) 05:29, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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According to her Olympic profile, "she renounced her United States citizenship for Chinese citizenship". [1] When you renounce your citizenship it means you have lost your citizenship, you are no longer a citizen of the country you chose to renounce which means you don't get to havw a passport. [2] This wikipedia article make it seems as if some stuff aren't clear and that there are evidence to the contrary (what?). It says "China does not recognize multiple citizenship after the age of 18. It is unclear whether she has relinquished her American passport as required by Chinese law as there is some evidence to the contrary". Recent articles make it clear that she has renounced her American citizenship.-- 41.42.104.33 ( talk) 20:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
The source says she plays it. Can this be changed to As a hobby, Gu plays the piano.? 2001:8003:DDAA:5A00:A127:4004:F21E:908E ( talk) 02:00, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Isn't adding the "silence" of Gu on Xinjiang and HK a breach of neutral tone? We should only be adding to personal life and political opinion based of what she has said...not what she hasn't. I think this section should be scratched, until she has made a comment on either crisis. Garlicbreadtea ( talk) 06:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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change "Peking University Women's Speed Skiing team" to "Peking University Women's Speed Skating Team"
Here is the source:
https://www.lapeople.com/news/52988.html
There is also no such thing as "Speed Skiing". Seeping81 ( talk) 06:22, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Actually, there IS such a thing as Speed_skiing. But, it's not what this person was involved in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertjm ( talk • contribs) 08:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
You all should clear up the section about her mom and her. Was Gu Ailing raised in China? How is she Chinese if she was born and raised in the US? Why so much about her mom? It's mess. 65.110.214.98 ( talk) 05:58, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I have some doubts as to the necessity and accuracy of the translation of 爱凌 (currently 'Love-Ice'), serendipitous though it is. I cannot find any precedent for making literal translations of Chinese names, which tend not to be literal in meaning. I can't find a credible source for this, but I believe Eileen was named after her late aunt, who was named 凌, and therefore "Ailing" means "love 凌", which renders the 'love-ice' translation moot. If someone more knowledgeable in Chinese can provide some clarification, it would be much appreciated. brendanhylin ( talk) 19:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
On another note, shouldn't the full name (Eileen Feng Gu) be included in the lede? brendanhylin ( talk) 01:19, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm not very clear about the proper usage of this hatnote, but it seems to me that since the article uses her English name, the hatnote is redundant, no? It should be pretty clear that Gu is the family name in this instance. brendanhylin ( talk) 20:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Sources largely say "Chinese mother and American father," contrasting the nationality/citizenship of her parents (not their race/ethnicity). That and the fact that she had to naturalize with China in 2019 would suggest that her mother was a Chinese citizen and U.S. permanent resident when she was born. There's also some evidence her mother was still a Chinese citizen and U.S. permanent resident in 2019, as her mother's Chinese citizenship is the only criteria that would seem to satisfy FIS' requirements for switching nationality on acquiring new citizenship (apart from being born in China or residing there for two years). No reliable sources appear to comment on the race/ethnicity of her father and the article should avoid speculation there. -- YgFZAcpJUJ ( talk) 19:28, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
As seen above, last year, there was discussion about Gu's citizenship because there was uncertainty on her nationality situation due to China's laws regarding the recognition or revoking of Chinese nationality in regards to being a dual national. As it stands, it seems like her exact nationality situation is largely ambiguous or not fully confirmed. Perhaps purposefully so.
Last year's discussion seemed to be rather contentious, and for the longest time, the page described her as simply "American-born" [5] seemingly without any opposition. This was changed on 12 February 2023 by an IP user without providing any discussion here [6]
If the subject has a complex/uncertain citizenship situation, it is often omitted per
WP:ETHNICITY. in controversial or unclear cases, nationality is sometimes omitted
Sports examples include former basketball player
Joakim Noah, soccer player (or footballer)
Andre Gray and many other soccer players with national careers that differ from their birth country. For non-sports people, there are also examples like
Tina Turner. So, I've removed mention of a specific nationality in the lede, but the subsequent sentences provide context on her birth and the country she represents in sports until further discussion.
Clear Looking Glass (
talk)
04:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
This article is about an athlete (and a model), not a dissident. The "Nationality and citizenship" section is longer than any other section of the article. It details Chinese law and covers reports by Chinese state media. We report facts, not speculation, via reliable sources. Eileen Gu is not on trial on Wikipedia.
Much of the content about Gu's mother reinforces the Chinese tiger parent stereotype (particularly the quote related to her training: "Yan is very pleasant but one of the most intense human beings I have ever met. She smiles and tells you how great you are. But then you find out, after the fact, what the requests are. She loves her daughter and wants her daughter to get priority...") In addition, the entire section about the academy is from the New York Post, which is a deprecated source. The mention of Woodward Tahoe is essentially an ad: a "33,000 square foot Indoor Action Sports Hub training next-generation athletes". (It is sourced to a Facebook page.)
Other sources include a Forbes story written by a contributor, The Willstonian, a high school newspaper, Business Insider, Facebook posts from primary sources, and a publication called JTM, which refers to Gu using male pronouns. Not a great indication of fact-checking.
In an attempt to avoid a wall of text, I will leave specifics in the edit summaries. But, in short: WP:COATRACK, WP:SYNTHESIS, BALANCE, WP:RELIABLE and WP: We can do better. JSFarman ( talk) 02:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)