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RIP Eileen Ash - clearly a great character with a life full of interest and achievments !! re the article if Eileen Ash scored a century against Victoria county as described in the text why is she credited with zero centuries and a top score of 34 in the career statistics section ? Was that century in a tour match not "first class" or something or is it simply an error ? many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.163.59 ( talk) 17:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
thanks, Joseph, all cleared up then :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.163.59 ( talk) 18:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Her full name in the infobox has today been altered from "Eileen M. Ash" to "Eileen Whelan". It seems wrong to me to use her maiden name there rather than the name by which she's been commonly known for the last goodness knows how many years. Unless Wikipedia guidelines mandate that the maiden name should be used (which would seem perverse even by Wikipedia's standards)? JH ( talk page) 18:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
RIP Eileen what an amazing lady you where despite me not knowing you personally. I always enjoyed hearing updates on how you where doing and what you were getting up RIP lovely lady. -- ThatBaileyLad ( talk) 00:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Gerontology records show 03rd December as first stated here . Life span 110 years 34 days . The death of Mrs Ash was first announced on 04th December but is likely to have taken place the previous day . It is not usual for an earlier date given to be wrong and then changed to a later one . The opposite happens frequently where a later date of death is assumed because it is only first announced later and then it is found that the death took place earlier . Time will tell but I cannot see why people would think the death took place earlier than it did . There is obviously some confusion going on anyway . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koufi ( talk • contribs) 04:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
I have seen nothing at all which actually states that Mrs Ash died on Saturday 04th December yet someone has changed it to that date . Why do people assume that a person died on the date of the article they are reading or when an article states when the death was announced . That is the announcing of it only not necessarily when it took place . There are however many refs online which state 03rd December and Friday so I am reverting it . If a press article does state 04th December anywhere I would say it is incorrect and makes the same mistake of copying wrong info or assuming . There would be no refs for 03 Dec if she had died on 04 Dec . It only happens wrongly the other way around as here when a LATER date is given in error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koufi ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
It is of no importance to me who changed the date . Why would it be ? I don't know you . I can see your reference in the history in any case so I would know naturally that it is the same person .
Because I wrote something that you did not seem to like and reverted your change do not pass judgement on how calm I am or was . I can assure you I am and was perfectly calm . No need for you to make personal comments about my mood to try and come across as all superior and belittle me . I am well aware what talk pages are for thank you .
The Telegraph article I saw and another contributor here has quoted says that the death took place on Friday . The other reference given BBC does not give a date only the date of the article . I cannot see The Times but take your word for it . The other references given in the article are unreliable .
When I reverted your change it then matched the personal information section which still stated 03rd December . That is not why I did it but you need to change both if you are doing it otherwise it looks stupid having two different dates in the same article .
The sensible thing in my opinion would have been to have left the date as it was in spite of your Times reference . The earlier date makes more sense until proved wrong . An early date is far less likely to be wrong in these cases . A later one is far more likely to be wrong . This has happened so many times often when the true facts are far more obvious than here and all manner of press have been wrong and then it is copied everywhere . It may not be like that I admit and time will tell . Many local references also say that Mrs Ash died on Friday 03rd December . However I take more issue with your attitude . Your facts as far as they go are sound of course . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koufi ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
"ASH Eileen May (née Whelan) died on 3rd December 2021, aged 110, The world’s oldest Test cricketer. Widow of Wilfrid, mother of Christopher, aunt of Julia Whelan Bradshaw. Grandma to Ben, Anna and Harriet, GG to Tommy, Sam, Alfie, Joe, Maddy, Flo, Max and Freddie. Funeral on 11th January at 11.30am, at St John’s RC Cathedral, Norwich. Family flowers only. Donations to The MCC Foundation, which supports young cricketers, c/o Nicholas E Potts & Daughter, 20 Angel Road, Norwich, NR3 3HP. Tel 01603 219779."
I believe this settles it. She died on 3rd. -- Jkaharper ( talk) 00:39, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Well I did say the 04th was unlikely to be correct . Leaving the earliest date is always the wisest in a case like this as I said until or if proved subsequently to be incorrect . Changing the earlier date and reverting back has caused many more places to copy and wrongly quote the 04th . Search still shows Wiki to say 04th but hopefully that will soon change . Once again somebody is very unlikely to report a death earlier than it happened . They are very likely to report it happened later by a wrong assumption of when it first comes to light . It is certainly not because they are well researched and more details have come to light . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koufi ( talk • contribs) 00:48, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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RIP Eileen Ash - clearly a great character with a life full of interest and achievments !! re the article if Eileen Ash scored a century against Victoria county as described in the text why is she credited with zero centuries and a top score of 34 in the career statistics section ? Was that century in a tour match not "first class" or something or is it simply an error ? many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.163.59 ( talk) 17:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
thanks, Joseph, all cleared up then :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.163.59 ( talk) 18:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Her full name in the infobox has today been altered from "Eileen M. Ash" to "Eileen Whelan". It seems wrong to me to use her maiden name there rather than the name by which she's been commonly known for the last goodness knows how many years. Unless Wikipedia guidelines mandate that the maiden name should be used (which would seem perverse even by Wikipedia's standards)? JH ( talk page) 18:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
RIP Eileen what an amazing lady you where despite me not knowing you personally. I always enjoyed hearing updates on how you where doing and what you were getting up RIP lovely lady. -- ThatBaileyLad ( talk) 00:38, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Gerontology records show 03rd December as first stated here . Life span 110 years 34 days . The death of Mrs Ash was first announced on 04th December but is likely to have taken place the previous day . It is not usual for an earlier date given to be wrong and then changed to a later one . The opposite happens frequently where a later date of death is assumed because it is only first announced later and then it is found that the death took place earlier . Time will tell but I cannot see why people would think the death took place earlier than it did . There is obviously some confusion going on anyway . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koufi ( talk • contribs) 04:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
I have seen nothing at all which actually states that Mrs Ash died on Saturday 04th December yet someone has changed it to that date . Why do people assume that a person died on the date of the article they are reading or when an article states when the death was announced . That is the announcing of it only not necessarily when it took place . There are however many refs online which state 03rd December and Friday so I am reverting it . If a press article does state 04th December anywhere I would say it is incorrect and makes the same mistake of copying wrong info or assuming . There would be no refs for 03 Dec if she had died on 04 Dec . It only happens wrongly the other way around as here when a LATER date is given in error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koufi ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
It is of no importance to me who changed the date . Why would it be ? I don't know you . I can see your reference in the history in any case so I would know naturally that it is the same person .
Because I wrote something that you did not seem to like and reverted your change do not pass judgement on how calm I am or was . I can assure you I am and was perfectly calm . No need for you to make personal comments about my mood to try and come across as all superior and belittle me . I am well aware what talk pages are for thank you .
The Telegraph article I saw and another contributor here has quoted says that the death took place on Friday . The other reference given BBC does not give a date only the date of the article . I cannot see The Times but take your word for it . The other references given in the article are unreliable .
When I reverted your change it then matched the personal information section which still stated 03rd December . That is not why I did it but you need to change both if you are doing it otherwise it looks stupid having two different dates in the same article .
The sensible thing in my opinion would have been to have left the date as it was in spite of your Times reference . The earlier date makes more sense until proved wrong . An early date is far less likely to be wrong in these cases . A later one is far more likely to be wrong . This has happened so many times often when the true facts are far more obvious than here and all manner of press have been wrong and then it is copied everywhere . It may not be like that I admit and time will tell . Many local references also say that Mrs Ash died on Friday 03rd December . However I take more issue with your attitude . Your facts as far as they go are sound of course . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koufi ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
"ASH Eileen May (née Whelan) died on 3rd December 2021, aged 110, The world’s oldest Test cricketer. Widow of Wilfrid, mother of Christopher, aunt of Julia Whelan Bradshaw. Grandma to Ben, Anna and Harriet, GG to Tommy, Sam, Alfie, Joe, Maddy, Flo, Max and Freddie. Funeral on 11th January at 11.30am, at St John’s RC Cathedral, Norwich. Family flowers only. Donations to The MCC Foundation, which supports young cricketers, c/o Nicholas E Potts & Daughter, 20 Angel Road, Norwich, NR3 3HP. Tel 01603 219779."
I believe this settles it. She died on 3rd. -- Jkaharper ( talk) 00:39, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Well I did say the 04th was unlikely to be correct . Leaving the earliest date is always the wisest in a case like this as I said until or if proved subsequently to be incorrect . Changing the earlier date and reverting back has caused many more places to copy and wrongly quote the 04th . Search still shows Wiki to say 04th but hopefully that will soon change . Once again somebody is very unlikely to report a death earlier than it happened . They are very likely to report it happened later by a wrong assumption of when it first comes to light . It is certainly not because they are well researched and more details have come to light . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koufi ( talk • contribs) 00:48, 13 December 2021 (UTC)