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Hello, I'm not sure where to put this on the talk page, but I would like to inquire why this article fails to follow basic principles of alphabetical order. This page should be entitled the "Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty", or at least the "Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty". I have been researching the issue at length, and no standard exists for referring to the treaty (for instance sometimes the order is reversed as is seen here), but in lack of an adequate standard, I feel that it would be alphabetically/politically/internationally correct to place the countries in alphabetical order. By placing Israel first instead of alphabetical order, it seems to suggest that Israel was either the initiator or played a larger part in the negotiations.
I have no idea how to fix the naming of a page, so I'll leave that to be discussed or enacted by someone else.
Adtrace ( talk) 16:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
name of article should be changed. treaty is between countries, not between people. it is "egypt-israel peace treaty"
don't have time right just now to put in request for change (and not being registered i don't think i can make that change myself). will try to return later to put in change request. âPreceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.238.134 ( talk) 04:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the text of the treaty and I wanted to explain why. The main reason is Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. In that guideline, it says in so many words "do not include the text of a treaty". It is appropriate to quote from or offer reliable third-party sources' analysis of the various parts of the treaty, but we don't include the entire text. -- Hnsampat ( talk) 13:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Soem idiot revoked your deletion. I will do the honours in a minute - I too feel that the text of the treaty is irrelevant when there are two or three links already to the treaty! -- Thehistorian10 ( talk) 19:53, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
On what basis is this disputed? â Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg ( talk ⢠contribs) 06:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Firstly, it relates to topic as it questions the effectiveness of the treaty. Uneasy- meaning there is considerable friction between the two. And as to your next point, all it takes is a leadership change to head in exactly that direction. The fact that it is 'Original' does not make it inaccurate or untrue. And there are many, many more such 'issues' to back up this point. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg ( talk ⢠contribs) 04:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Good point I guess, so I googled the topic, and turns out it is not so original after all (guess I will not be nominated professor of the year) - check the quotes [1] [2]
And this should be mentioned also on the other page, just must get the time to do it as it is a much longer topic to edit. However as I say I think mention of it on this page is also relevant as it is all regarding the attitude of the people to the treaty.
Also, I have a feeling that in a few days this may turn in to a big problem considering the situation there at the --moment.-- Mikeetg ( talkâ Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg ( talk ⢠contribs) 16:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-- Sjsilverman ( talk) 20:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Mikeetg: No one but you and I (and whoever put the POV label on this section of the article) seems to care about this enough to comment. Since I agree with you that the section "Friction" is not POV, I'm going to remove the tag. I continue to believe that this section does not add to the article and really doesn't belong here as it isn't about the treaty per se. As also noted above, I think it would be a good contribution to the article on Egypt-Israel relations and could form the basis for some other additional content there, which that article sorely needs. Anyway, I recognize that this is a matter of opinion, and while I'd urge you to delete and move the section yourself, I certainly won't do so unless others weigh in to agree with me. I may add some additional comment and change heading to better balance the section. All of that said, I hope you'll give some thought to moving the entire section out of the article.-- Sjsilverman ( talk) 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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The treaty was breached as approval was not granted for the movement of the heavy military weaponry in to Sinai, which Israel is downplaying as it has enough on its hands at the moment. This whole scenario proves my above points though and their relevance to the treaty, as they are the lead up to it being breached. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg ( talk ⢠contribs) 22:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Taba is in Egypt on the Gulf of Aquaba, Rafah is in Gaza. Where is the waterway? âPreceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.228.77 ( talk) 23:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
There isn't really anything in this entry that discusses the peace treaty specifics. I encourage anyone with the time to read the treaty and add its key points. XXVII ( talk) 12:55, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm not sure where to put this on the talk page, but I would like to inquire why this article fails to follow basic principles of alphabetical order. This page should be entitled the "Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty", or at least the "Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty". I have been researching the issue at length, and no standard exists for referring to the treaty (for instance sometimes the order is reversed as is seen here), but in lack of an adequate standard, I feel that it would be alphabetically/politically/internationally correct to place the countries in alphabetical order. By placing Israel first instead of alphabetical order, it seems to suggest that Israel was either the initiator or played a larger part in the negotiations.
I have no idea how to fix the naming of a page, so I'll leave that to be discussed or enacted by someone else.
Adtrace ( talk) 16:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
name of article should be changed. treaty is between countries, not between people. it is "egypt-israel peace treaty"
don't have time right just now to put in request for change (and not being registered i don't think i can make that change myself). will try to return later to put in change request. âPreceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.238.134 ( talk) 04:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the text of the treaty and I wanted to explain why. The main reason is Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. In that guideline, it says in so many words "do not include the text of a treaty". It is appropriate to quote from or offer reliable third-party sources' analysis of the various parts of the treaty, but we don't include the entire text. -- Hnsampat ( talk) 13:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Soem idiot revoked your deletion. I will do the honours in a minute - I too feel that the text of the treaty is irrelevant when there are two or three links already to the treaty! -- Thehistorian10 ( talk) 19:53, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
On what basis is this disputed? â Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg ( talk ⢠contribs) 06:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Firstly, it relates to topic as it questions the effectiveness of the treaty. Uneasy- meaning there is considerable friction between the two. And as to your next point, all it takes is a leadership change to head in exactly that direction. The fact that it is 'Original' does not make it inaccurate or untrue. And there are many, many more such 'issues' to back up this point. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg ( talk ⢠contribs) 04:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Good point I guess, so I googled the topic, and turns out it is not so original after all (guess I will not be nominated professor of the year) - check the quotes [1] [2]
And this should be mentioned also on the other page, just must get the time to do it as it is a much longer topic to edit. However as I say I think mention of it on this page is also relevant as it is all regarding the attitude of the people to the treaty.
Also, I have a feeling that in a few days this may turn in to a big problem considering the situation there at the --moment.-- Mikeetg ( talkâ Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg ( talk ⢠contribs) 16:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-- Sjsilverman ( talk) 20:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Mikeetg: No one but you and I (and whoever put the POV label on this section of the article) seems to care about this enough to comment. Since I agree with you that the section "Friction" is not POV, I'm going to remove the tag. I continue to believe that this section does not add to the article and really doesn't belong here as it isn't about the treaty per se. As also noted above, I think it would be a good contribution to the article on Egypt-Israel relations and could form the basis for some other additional content there, which that article sorely needs. Anyway, I recognize that this is a matter of opinion, and while I'd urge you to delete and move the section yourself, I certainly won't do so unless others weigh in to agree with me. I may add some additional comment and change heading to better balance the section. All of that said, I hope you'll give some thought to moving the entire section out of the article.-- Sjsilverman ( talk) 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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The treaty was breached as approval was not granted for the movement of the heavy military weaponry in to Sinai, which Israel is downplaying as it has enough on its hands at the moment. This whole scenario proves my above points though and their relevance to the treaty, as they are the lead up to it being breached. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg ( talk ⢠contribs) 22:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Taba is in Egypt on the Gulf of Aquaba, Rafah is in Gaza. Where is the waterway? âPreceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.228.77 ( talk) 23:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
There isn't really anything in this entry that discusses the peace treaty specifics. I encourage anyone with the time to read the treaty and add its key points. XXVII ( talk) 12:55, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
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