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I don't know where the proper location in the article to add this would be, but the article should mention what a Gray is and/or link to the Wikipedia page for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.210.10 ( talk) 16:13, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
The paper on isotope concentration changes in Chernobyl' animals linked in Effects of nuclear explosions on human health#Transgenerational genetic damage has nothing to do with these supposed transgenerational effects.
This is a somewhat contentious topic/an urban legend (see hibakusha#Discrimination) and unless a relevant source is given it should be removed. Neitrāls vārds ( talk) 08:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
"Cancer induction is the most significant long term risk of exposure to a nuclear bomb. Approximately 1 out of every 80 people exposed to 1 gray will die from cancer and 1 in 40 people will get cancer. Different types of cancer take different times for them to appear:[4]"
While it might be that 1 in 80 extra deaths occur, the death from cancer is already over 1 in 4. I suggest rewriting this statement to either state the number of extra deaths or the worldwide average and the 1 gray average. Statistically, twenty times more people will die of non-radiation induced cancer even at 1 gray than radiation induced cancer, so the current statement makes it seem that those 20 in 80 will not die. Basroil ( talk) 03:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Following a thermonuclear war, anyone who got exposed to 1 gray in a city would probably be followed by instantly dying from blast effects alone. So no, all this talk of 1 gray is baloney when applied to massive weapons, it is only applicable to low yield Hiroshima- 16 kt weapons, and increasingly less important as the yield of the weapon increases, see http://www.remm.nlm.gov/RemmMockup_files/radiationlethality.jpg.
Moreover just 2000 excess cases of cancer have been observed in the survivors of the Hiroshima bomb, most of the people exposed to high amounts of radiation were killed by blast there too. See the RERF radiation effects research foundation to substantiate this 2000 figure..
The long term effects to survivors after a thermonuclear war would be dealing with the minor problem of chronic exposure to global fallout, with the prompt(most harmful) dose being dependent on whether or not rural survivors were smart enough to take refuge in storm cellars and tape up all means of entrance into their home - Shelter in place. Whether or not people would do this, I would, is a matter of debate. If people did Shelter in place for around about 90 days then the fallout hazard would have dropped by about a 1000 fold, and it would be completely safe to go walk around outside. See the 7 by 10 rule for a laymans guide.
So really the article should be broken up to describe what happens if non city slickers don't shelter in place. As all this data about prompt 1 gray exposure is (1) not really applicable, and (2) the dose would not be acute or prompt from fallout, it would be chronic.
Some excellent sources on what to do are as follows.
http://nikealaska.org/nuke/fallout.html
http://www.falloutradiation.com/johnwayne7
http://www3.nd.edu/~nsl/Lectures/phys205/pdf/Nuclear_Warfare_9.pdf
www.tacda.org/docs/TACDA_Academy_CDBasics_6Radiation.pdf
http://www.srp-uk.org/resources/rules-of-thumb-a-practical-hints
Boundarylayer ( talk) 04:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Under Central nervous system death the list of symptoms includes a link to Prostration - surely this should link to Hyperthermia instead? Autarch ( talk) 22:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
if the article focus on human health, why presenting an image of junk metal? 145.64.134.242 ( talk) 11:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
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I don't know where the proper location in the article to add this would be, but the article should mention what a Gray is and/or link to the Wikipedia page for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.210.10 ( talk) 16:13, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
The paper on isotope concentration changes in Chernobyl' animals linked in Effects of nuclear explosions on human health#Transgenerational genetic damage has nothing to do with these supposed transgenerational effects.
This is a somewhat contentious topic/an urban legend (see hibakusha#Discrimination) and unless a relevant source is given it should be removed. Neitrāls vārds ( talk) 08:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
"Cancer induction is the most significant long term risk of exposure to a nuclear bomb. Approximately 1 out of every 80 people exposed to 1 gray will die from cancer and 1 in 40 people will get cancer. Different types of cancer take different times for them to appear:[4]"
While it might be that 1 in 80 extra deaths occur, the death from cancer is already over 1 in 4. I suggest rewriting this statement to either state the number of extra deaths or the worldwide average and the 1 gray average. Statistically, twenty times more people will die of non-radiation induced cancer even at 1 gray than radiation induced cancer, so the current statement makes it seem that those 20 in 80 will not die. Basroil ( talk) 03:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Following a thermonuclear war, anyone who got exposed to 1 gray in a city would probably be followed by instantly dying from blast effects alone. So no, all this talk of 1 gray is baloney when applied to massive weapons, it is only applicable to low yield Hiroshima- 16 kt weapons, and increasingly less important as the yield of the weapon increases, see http://www.remm.nlm.gov/RemmMockup_files/radiationlethality.jpg.
Moreover just 2000 excess cases of cancer have been observed in the survivors of the Hiroshima bomb, most of the people exposed to high amounts of radiation were killed by blast there too. See the RERF radiation effects research foundation to substantiate this 2000 figure..
The long term effects to survivors after a thermonuclear war would be dealing with the minor problem of chronic exposure to global fallout, with the prompt(most harmful) dose being dependent on whether or not rural survivors were smart enough to take refuge in storm cellars and tape up all means of entrance into their home - Shelter in place. Whether or not people would do this, I would, is a matter of debate. If people did Shelter in place for around about 90 days then the fallout hazard would have dropped by about a 1000 fold, and it would be completely safe to go walk around outside. See the 7 by 10 rule for a laymans guide.
So really the article should be broken up to describe what happens if non city slickers don't shelter in place. As all this data about prompt 1 gray exposure is (1) not really applicable, and (2) the dose would not be acute or prompt from fallout, it would be chronic.
Some excellent sources on what to do are as follows.
http://nikealaska.org/nuke/fallout.html
http://www.falloutradiation.com/johnwayne7
http://www3.nd.edu/~nsl/Lectures/phys205/pdf/Nuclear_Warfare_9.pdf
www.tacda.org/docs/TACDA_Academy_CDBasics_6Radiation.pdf
http://www.srp-uk.org/resources/rules-of-thumb-a-practical-hints
Boundarylayer ( talk) 04:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Under Central nervous system death the list of symptoms includes a link to Prostration - surely this should link to Hyperthermia instead? Autarch ( talk) 22:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
if the article focus on human health, why presenting an image of junk metal? 145.64.134.242 ( talk) 11:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2023 and 11 May 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
SapientiaMundus (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by SufferingSappho41 ( talk) 22:21, 11 April 2023 (UTC)