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I had a very fun time reading this article because it is about a section I did not know a lot about before I read your article, but think I have a much better understanding. Very great read! Your background information is very well presented and it gives the reader a good foundation. Maybe adding some current information and parts of latest research could be a good addition in general since the area is so broad. Also link back to the area of global warming in general so you get more traffic.
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I really like what has been added to this article so far. The descriptions of the Maldives and the Marshall Islands are very thorough, and I’d like to see more information about other island nations with the same comprehensiveness. Keep up the good work! I'm looking forward to seeing your final contribution.
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I just copy-edited the entire article, adding wikilinks where appropriate. Regarding feedback, the lead section reads like the start of an essay, whereas it should be a summary of the rest of the article (see
MOS:LEAD). Otherwise, informative and well written.
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I definitely think the lead section could use some more summarizing. It could include environmental, social, political, economic, physical effects of climate change on island nations. The "trail of death" remark did not sit well with me, maybe try using just destruction, devastation, death, loss to emphasize the results of climate change. Also "a step in the right direction" carries bias, maybe use "a sep towards mitigating the effects of climate change". Everything in the article was relevant to the topic. I definitely see the opportunity to add additional information on the effects of climate change on island nations for the future. The links worked, which is always helpful. I appreciate you writing this article, it was informative and concise.
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Just like with ships that are sunk for building artificial reefs, it's probably best that sinking islands too are dismantled (in which I mean all non-biodegradable and toxic material is removed). This would benefit the underwater life and ensure that less environmental damage is done. Can someone write something about it ?
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Or perhaps the article "Effects of climate change on small island nations" should be a sub-article for "Climate change in Small Island Developing States".
EMsmile (
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Comment: Thanks, just to be clear my thoughts were that changing it to "climate change in SIDS" would be that it could also cover other aspects of climate change affecting these countries, such as the political and international relations issues discussed, not just effects.
Arcahaeoindris (
talk) 18:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose a move to a title of impenetrable gobbledygook. The SIDS
include Belize, Guyana and Suriname that are not islands, Singapore which is not developing, and Sint Maarten which is half an island and not a state. Support adding "small" to the current title per
User:EMsmile for
Effects of climate change on small island nations (and I'd prefer "
island countries" to match the parent article). Otherwise, leave well enough alone. —
AjaxSmack 00:04, 31 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
User: AjaxSmack, the term
Small Island Developing States (SIDS) is a "UN recognised" term, why do you say it's "impenetrable gobbledygook"? Do you mean because it's a mouthful? The advantage would be that it's well defined, with a proper listing behind it. It's surprising that Singapore is in that group but there are probably historical reasons for that. I am undecided on what's best. I think we are mainly thinking here of the low-lying islands that might disappear in future? We definitely need the term "small" added, because having Australia in the group of "island nations" wouldn't make much sense.
EMsmile (
talk) 09:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
No, it's not that it's a mouthful (the term is surprisingly transparent for bureaucratese); it's because it's highly inaccurate when 25 of the 58 entities (43%) called SIDS (using
this list) are not islands, not developing or not states.
Niue but not
Tokelau?
Singapore but not
Hong Kong?
Guam but not
Hawaii?
WP:OFFICIALNAMES serves us well here. —
AjaxSmack 01:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Arcahaeoindris, I am wondering whether a new, separate article on
Climate change in small island developing states which then links to "Effects of climate change on small island countries" (I also think countries is better than nations here) would be better? I mean rather than renaming this one to
Climate change in small island developing states. It depends if you have the new content at your finger tips, such as the political and international relations issues.
EMsmile (
talk) 09:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
No that a complete misrepresentation of the comments there we're talking there about a list of territories characterised by the UN in a particular way. The above remark and the repeat on that talk page seems to be a call to arms by a group of editors who regularly comment "oppose" on any discussion involving capitalisation. They rarely have edited in the topic area and are imposing their own narrow interpretation of policy. Any closer should recognise that this is an organised lobby effort. WCMemail 10:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Just to be clear that I oppose the proposed title (but not the use of "small", "states" or "countries"), but do not care about capitalisation and am not part of a lobby. —
AjaxSmack 01:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)reply
That is fine, the remark wasn't directed at you and to be clear I am not the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll. I have an alibi, I was attending playgroup on account I was 2 years old. WCMemail 08:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks. I just wanted to be clear that my opposition had a different basis. —
AjaxSmack 00:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Support Per UN style guide
[1] this term is used as a common proper noun. WCMemail 10:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
??? Common nouns are not capitalized. And as far as I can find, that style guide doesn't mention this term except as part of the "Programme of Action for the Sustainable Development of Small Island Developing States" which is the title of a programme. And cited sources using the SIDS wording, like
this one, don't capitalize.
Dicklyon (
talk) 13:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Thank you for bringing my error to my attention. The style guide of the UN treats this as a proper noun, I've provided a link for anyone to check for themselves. There is no need for you or your friends to harangue editors who comment. Please don't. WCMemail 17:09, 3 August 2022 (UTC)reply
But what about the substance of what you're claiming? As I said, I can't find what you're claiming at that link, just "Programme of Action for the Sustainable Development of Small Island Developing States" in the part about capitalizing programmes.
Dicklyon (
talk) 04:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose per AjaxSmack's comments. --
Eldomtom2 (
talk) 09:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose per both AjaxSmack and SMcCandlish. No need for overcapped and inaccurate UN jargon here.
Dicklyon (
talk) 13:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Support Almost anything is better than current name as obviously not right as does not include Australia.
Chidgk1 (
talk) 15:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)reply
I would be fine with that as a compromise but prefer the Climate change in small island states or countries convention, as encompasses responses, emissions and not just effects, and follows naming convention for other region. The SIDS name is still my main preference though as it has a clear definition (I also dont have strong feelings about capitalisation) and many sources and reviews on this discuss SIDS specifically (see ref list). This article is clearly not about developed small island countries like the UK, or Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan and would make this at least a bit clearer.
Arcahaeoindris (
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Marshall Islands article split?
I think the Marshall Islands section is very long for the length of the article - perhaps could be split off into
Climate change in the Marshall Islands. There is also content on the main
Marshall Islands page, and there is plenty that could be written about the country's role on the international stage in calling for mitigation of climate change.
Arcahaeoindris (
talk) 17:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Support Seems to be enough info for you to start an article
Chidgk1 (
talk) 06:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Have gone ahead and done this. Thank you!
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I had a very fun time reading this article because it is about a section I did not know a lot about before I read your article, but think I have a much better understanding. Very great read! Your background information is very well presented and it gives the reader a good foundation. Maybe adding some current information and parts of latest research could be a good addition in general since the area is so broad. Also link back to the area of global warming in general so you get more traffic.
Romildcp (
talk) 04:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I really like what has been added to this article so far. The descriptions of the Maldives and the Marshall Islands are very thorough, and I’d like to see more information about other island nations with the same comprehensiveness. Keep up the good work! I'm looking forward to seeing your final contribution.
Jwang19 (
talk) 13:40, 28 March 2016 (UTC)reply
I just copy-edited the entire article, adding wikilinks where appropriate. Regarding feedback, the lead section reads like the start of an essay, whereas it should be a summary of the rest of the article (see
MOS:LEAD). Otherwise, informative and well written.
RobbieIanMorrison (
talk) 21:30, 11 September 2016 (UTC)reply
I definitely think the lead section could use some more summarizing. It could include environmental, social, political, economic, physical effects of climate change on island nations. The "trail of death" remark did not sit well with me, maybe try using just destruction, devastation, death, loss to emphasize the results of climate change. Also "a step in the right direction" carries bias, maybe use "a sep towards mitigating the effects of climate change". Everything in the article was relevant to the topic. I definitely see the opportunity to add additional information on the effects of climate change on island nations for the future. The links worked, which is always helpful. I appreciate you writing this article, it was informative and concise.
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Just like with ships that are sunk for building artificial reefs, it's probably best that sinking islands too are dismantled (in which I mean all non-biodegradable and toxic material is removed). This would benefit the underwater life and ensure that less environmental damage is done. Can someone write something about it ?
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Or perhaps the article "Effects of climate change on small island nations" should be a sub-article for "Climate change in Small Island Developing States".
EMsmile (
talk) 08:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment: Thanks, just to be clear my thoughts were that changing it to "climate change in SIDS" would be that it could also cover other aspects of climate change affecting these countries, such as the political and international relations issues discussed, not just effects.
Arcahaeoindris (
talk) 18:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose a move to a title of impenetrable gobbledygook. The SIDS
include Belize, Guyana and Suriname that are not islands, Singapore which is not developing, and Sint Maarten which is half an island and not a state. Support adding "small" to the current title per
User:EMsmile for
Effects of climate change on small island nations (and I'd prefer "
island countries" to match the parent article). Otherwise, leave well enough alone. —
AjaxSmack 00:04, 31 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
User: AjaxSmack, the term
Small Island Developing States (SIDS) is a "UN recognised" term, why do you say it's "impenetrable gobbledygook"? Do you mean because it's a mouthful? The advantage would be that it's well defined, with a proper listing behind it. It's surprising that Singapore is in that group but there are probably historical reasons for that. I am undecided on what's best. I think we are mainly thinking here of the low-lying islands that might disappear in future? We definitely need the term "small" added, because having Australia in the group of "island nations" wouldn't make much sense.
EMsmile (
talk) 09:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
No, it's not that it's a mouthful (the term is surprisingly transparent for bureaucratese); it's because it's highly inaccurate when 25 of the 58 entities (43%) called SIDS (using
this list) are not islands, not developing or not states.
Niue but not
Tokelau?
Singapore but not
Hong Kong?
Guam but not
Hawaii?
WP:OFFICIALNAMES serves us well here. —
AjaxSmack 01:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Arcahaeoindris, I am wondering whether a new, separate article on
Climate change in small island developing states which then links to "Effects of climate change on small island countries" (I also think countries is better than nations here) would be better? I mean rather than renaming this one to
Climate change in small island developing states. It depends if you have the new content at your finger tips, such as the political and international relations issues.
EMsmile (
talk) 09:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
No that a complete misrepresentation of the comments there we're talking there about a list of territories characterised by the UN in a particular way. The above remark and the repeat on that talk page seems to be a call to arms by a group of editors who regularly comment "oppose" on any discussion involving capitalisation. They rarely have edited in the topic area and are imposing their own narrow interpretation of policy. Any closer should recognise that this is an organised lobby effort. WCMemail 10:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Just to be clear that I oppose the proposed title (but not the use of "small", "states" or "countries"), but do not care about capitalisation and am not part of a lobby. —
AjaxSmack 01:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)reply
That is fine, the remark wasn't directed at you and to be clear I am not the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll. I have an alibi, I was attending playgroup on account I was 2 years old. WCMemail 08:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks. I just wanted to be clear that my opposition had a different basis. —
AjaxSmack 00:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Support Per UN style guide
[1] this term is used as a common proper noun. WCMemail 10:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)reply
??? Common nouns are not capitalized. And as far as I can find, that style guide doesn't mention this term except as part of the "Programme of Action for the Sustainable Development of Small Island Developing States" which is the title of a programme. And cited sources using the SIDS wording, like
this one, don't capitalize.
Dicklyon (
talk) 13:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Thank you for bringing my error to my attention. The style guide of the UN treats this as a proper noun, I've provided a link for anyone to check for themselves. There is no need for you or your friends to harangue editors who comment. Please don't. WCMemail 17:09, 3 August 2022 (UTC)reply
But what about the substance of what you're claiming? As I said, I can't find what you're claiming at that link, just "Programme of Action for the Sustainable Development of Small Island Developing States" in the part about capitalizing programmes.
Dicklyon (
talk) 04:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose per AjaxSmack's comments. --
Eldomtom2 (
talk) 09:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose per both AjaxSmack and SMcCandlish. No need for overcapped and inaccurate UN jargon here.
Dicklyon (
talk) 13:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Support Almost anything is better than current name as obviously not right as does not include Australia.
Chidgk1 (
talk) 15:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)reply
I would be fine with that as a compromise but prefer the Climate change in small island states or countries convention, as encompasses responses, emissions and not just effects, and follows naming convention for other region. The SIDS name is still my main preference though as it has a clear definition (I also dont have strong feelings about capitalisation) and many sources and reviews on this discuss SIDS specifically (see ref list). This article is clearly not about developed small island countries like the UK, or Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan and would make this at least a bit clearer.
Arcahaeoindris (
talk) 16:52, 6 August 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Marshall Islands article split?
I think the Marshall Islands section is very long for the length of the article - perhaps could be split off into
Climate change in the Marshall Islands. There is also content on the main
Marshall Islands page, and there is plenty that could be written about the country's role on the international stage in calling for mitigation of climate change.
Arcahaeoindris (
talk) 17:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Support Seems to be enough info for you to start an article
Chidgk1 (
talk) 06:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Have gone ahead and done this. Thank you!
Arcahaeoindris (
talk) 16:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)reply