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According to source of this legend, he was Edward Mordake - not Mordrake: So, could someone move the page to 'Edward Mordake'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.77.116 ( talk) 05:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
It needs them. -- V2Blast ( talk) 06:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
"He also had a third testicle, which is recorded on his first YouTube channel." --removed this as it makes no sense at all. — Preceding
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184.9.222.208 (
talk) 14:13, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I think the article should not be removed. Even if something is related to rumors, let it be there with a tag that it is not proved.. or from unreliable sources or something like that. ( G10sinha ( talk) 17:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC))
The article states his extra face "could neither eat nor speak" but it "it whispered horrible things." 76.121.211.59 ( talk) 03:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Me thinks that this article has served to advance an urban legend. 99.191.160.107 ( talk) 22:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Siamese twins that share the same cranium can hear each other's thoughts. Even if the second face cannot speak because it lacks access to the lungs and vocal chords, it can still share its thoughts with the real head, whispering horrible things and such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.15.156.36 ( talk) 14:53, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
"...and also frequently ask for a cigarette." While the second face whispering in the night may be a colourful term from the rather tormented Mr Mordake, the face that could not speak would clearly not be asking for a cigarette. The external link ( http://thehumanmarvels.com/?p=125) presents quite a balanced account detailing what seem to be very few solid facts, but does state "While no voice was ever audible..." -- Prodromoi ( talk) 18:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Pasqual pinon didn't actually have any condition such as this. He had a large tumor or cyst on his head that he painted a wax face on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.238.220.168 ( talk) 07:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
References
The primary reference (Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine) is not adequate to support the statements in the article. Mjpresson ( talk) 01:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I've done a bit of re-writing to make it more clear. I really really wanted to point out that all of the various sources all seem to point back to the book mentioned in the second paragraph as their primary source, but since that would be WP:OR I didn't. Maybe one day it will make it onto snopes.com and we can say it then, citing snopes as the source. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 20:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
The article states that he committed suicide at the age of 23, and then proceeds to quote Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine stating that he committed suicide in his 23rd year, i.e. at the age of 22. - Soulkeeper ( talk) 18:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I just found this picture on a source site. I know nothing about uploading images to Wikipedia but perhaps someone does. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/83858344/ Photo # 28 or 28. 222.125.0.22 ( talk) 15:55, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I have to admit that I've considered deleting this picture several times, but now that it's done, I'm having second thoughts. Specifically, I haven't been able to find any other attributions for that image. Basically, while the image may be fake, I think it may also serve a useful purpose as an illustration, similar to illustrations included on the pages of other urban legends, such as Slenderman. Care to discuss? MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:30, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
My concern has nothing to do with the photos of Edward Mordake (Mordrake), all of which are fakes of photos of wax “recreations.”
I'm concerned about the statement that the story of Edward is “apocryphal” (not true). However, at the end of the paragraph—after the part where Edward reportedly committed suicide when he was 23 years old—gives one citation: to the medical encyclopedia ‘Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine’.
Let's examine whether ‘Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine’, by George M. Gould, M.D., is a Reliable Source. According to our own article on Dr. Gould, “[A] collection of papers about his life are held at the National Library of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland.” There is not a stitch of information in the article on Dr. Gould calling into question his veracity or the truthfulness of any of his life's work.
Furthermore, even though, the full text of the medical encyclopedia at Archive.org (search on the spelling “Edward Mordake”), states The following well-known story of Edward Mordake, though taken from lay sources… it goes on to also say that “[the story] is of sufficient notoriety and interest to be mentioned here.”
There is no weight to arguments that the story should be called into question just because the parasitic face reportedly had a feminine appearance (which would supposedly be inconsistent with a parasitic twin in the minds of wikipedians who play doctor on Wikipedia); a smaller parasitic face may have all manner of distortions and could have appeared “monster like.”
The current practice of citing ‘Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine’ as an RS and also of writing that the story is “apocryphal” is schizophrenic; it can't be both ways. Given that the document cited is classified as a “medical encyclopedia” and given that one of the two doctors who co-authored it clearly had a respectable career, it is improper to write that the story of Edward Mordake (Mordrake) is an apocryphal one; such an assertion constitutes cherry picking which parts of an RS one prefers to believe and amounts to WP:OR
Let's not confuse faked modern photos with the account itself, as told by what is clearly an RS. I've deleted the bit about the story being apocryphal. Any RS stating otherwise should be every bit as reliable as George M. Gould and the medical encyclopedia he co-authored. Greg L ( talk) 19:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
The article presents Mordake as real ("...was born in the 18th century"), and apart from the vagueness of the things stated there is nothing in the article to point out that this might not be a real, until you come across the Categories tag (Fictional English People, Urban Legends, etc). Either there is factual evidence to support that Mordake was real, in which case the category tags with fictional should be removed, or there is not, and then this should be made clearer in the article (e.g. "is subject of a popular urban legend and was allegedly born in the 18th century. The story goes on to say that he was born with a second face on the back of his head"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.214.255 ( talk) 10:50, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Is this snopes article on Mordake (they spell it "Mordrake") which pronounces the story false. The last paragraph is notable:
What all these “wonders of science” [including the first mention of Mordake] had in common, Boese points out, is that no mention of them is to be found in any previous sources. None. It appears, in other words, that Hildreth simply made them up. Albeit couched as nonfiction, the article was actually a work of speculative fiction in the spirit of other scientific hoaxes of the time, such as the infamous life-on-the-moon hoax of 1835 and the Cardiff Giant hoax of 1869.
ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Duplicates subject. Danrok ( talk) 11:23, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
he existed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oratorio ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I've seen what people think is the only existing image of Edward Mordake. I was wondering if we should add it. (You can find it easily on Google) XInspectrEx ( talk) 16:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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According to source of this legend, he was Edward Mordake - not Mordrake: So, could someone move the page to 'Edward Mordake'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.77.116 ( talk) 05:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
It needs them. -- V2Blast ( talk) 06:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
"He also had a third testicle, which is recorded on his first YouTube channel." --removed this as it makes no sense at all. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
184.9.222.208 (
talk) 14:13, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I think the article should not be removed. Even if something is related to rumors, let it be there with a tag that it is not proved.. or from unreliable sources or something like that. ( G10sinha ( talk) 17:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC))
The article states his extra face "could neither eat nor speak" but it "it whispered horrible things." 76.121.211.59 ( talk) 03:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Me thinks that this article has served to advance an urban legend. 99.191.160.107 ( talk) 22:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Siamese twins that share the same cranium can hear each other's thoughts. Even if the second face cannot speak because it lacks access to the lungs and vocal chords, it can still share its thoughts with the real head, whispering horrible things and such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.15.156.36 ( talk) 14:53, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
"...and also frequently ask for a cigarette." While the second face whispering in the night may be a colourful term from the rather tormented Mr Mordake, the face that could not speak would clearly not be asking for a cigarette. The external link ( http://thehumanmarvels.com/?p=125) presents quite a balanced account detailing what seem to be very few solid facts, but does state "While no voice was ever audible..." -- Prodromoi ( talk) 18:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Pasqual pinon didn't actually have any condition such as this. He had a large tumor or cyst on his head that he painted a wax face on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.238.220.168 ( talk) 07:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
References
The primary reference (Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine) is not adequate to support the statements in the article. Mjpresson ( talk) 01:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I've done a bit of re-writing to make it more clear. I really really wanted to point out that all of the various sources all seem to point back to the book mentioned in the second paragraph as their primary source, but since that would be WP:OR I didn't. Maybe one day it will make it onto snopes.com and we can say it then, citing snopes as the source. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 20:20, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
The article states that he committed suicide at the age of 23, and then proceeds to quote Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine stating that he committed suicide in his 23rd year, i.e. at the age of 22. - Soulkeeper ( talk) 18:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I just found this picture on a source site. I know nothing about uploading images to Wikipedia but perhaps someone does. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/83858344/ Photo # 28 or 28. 222.125.0.22 ( talk) 15:55, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I have to admit that I've considered deleting this picture several times, but now that it's done, I'm having second thoughts. Specifically, I haven't been able to find any other attributions for that image. Basically, while the image may be fake, I think it may also serve a useful purpose as an illustration, similar to illustrations included on the pages of other urban legends, such as Slenderman. Care to discuss? MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:30, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
My concern has nothing to do with the photos of Edward Mordake (Mordrake), all of which are fakes of photos of wax “recreations.”
I'm concerned about the statement that the story of Edward is “apocryphal” (not true). However, at the end of the paragraph—after the part where Edward reportedly committed suicide when he was 23 years old—gives one citation: to the medical encyclopedia ‘Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine’.
Let's examine whether ‘Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine’, by George M. Gould, M.D., is a Reliable Source. According to our own article on Dr. Gould, “[A] collection of papers about his life are held at the National Library of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland.” There is not a stitch of information in the article on Dr. Gould calling into question his veracity or the truthfulness of any of his life's work.
Furthermore, even though, the full text of the medical encyclopedia at Archive.org (search on the spelling “Edward Mordake”), states The following well-known story of Edward Mordake, though taken from lay sources… it goes on to also say that “[the story] is of sufficient notoriety and interest to be mentioned here.”
There is no weight to arguments that the story should be called into question just because the parasitic face reportedly had a feminine appearance (which would supposedly be inconsistent with a parasitic twin in the minds of wikipedians who play doctor on Wikipedia); a smaller parasitic face may have all manner of distortions and could have appeared “monster like.”
The current practice of citing ‘Anomalies and Curiosities of Medicine’ as an RS and also of writing that the story is “apocryphal” is schizophrenic; it can't be both ways. Given that the document cited is classified as a “medical encyclopedia” and given that one of the two doctors who co-authored it clearly had a respectable career, it is improper to write that the story of Edward Mordake (Mordrake) is an apocryphal one; such an assertion constitutes cherry picking which parts of an RS one prefers to believe and amounts to WP:OR
Let's not confuse faked modern photos with the account itself, as told by what is clearly an RS. I've deleted the bit about the story being apocryphal. Any RS stating otherwise should be every bit as reliable as George M. Gould and the medical encyclopedia he co-authored. Greg L ( talk) 19:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
The article presents Mordake as real ("...was born in the 18th century"), and apart from the vagueness of the things stated there is nothing in the article to point out that this might not be a real, until you come across the Categories tag (Fictional English People, Urban Legends, etc). Either there is factual evidence to support that Mordake was real, in which case the category tags with fictional should be removed, or there is not, and then this should be made clearer in the article (e.g. "is subject of a popular urban legend and was allegedly born in the 18th century. The story goes on to say that he was born with a second face on the back of his head"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.214.255 ( talk) 10:50, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Is this snopes article on Mordake (they spell it "Mordrake") which pronounces the story false. The last paragraph is notable:
What all these “wonders of science” [including the first mention of Mordake] had in common, Boese points out, is that no mention of them is to be found in any previous sources. None. It appears, in other words, that Hildreth simply made them up. Albeit couched as nonfiction, the article was actually a work of speculative fiction in the spirit of other scientific hoaxes of the time, such as the infamous life-on-the-moon hoax of 1835 and the Cardiff Giant hoax of 1869.
ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Duplicates subject. Danrok ( talk) 11:23, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
he existed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oratorio ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I've seen what people think is the only existing image of Edward Mordake. I was wondering if we should add it. (You can find it easily on Google) XInspectrEx ( talk) 16:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)