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This site here states that his date of birth is November 1983. -- Blairall ( talk) 22:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Country Life does not say that the subject was born "Count Edoardo Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi". It merely refers to him as "Count Edoardo". Please do not restore this without a proper source. This article is about a living person who quite clearly calls himself Mr. Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
In 1921 it was the approved '"Official list of noble and titled families of the Kingdom of Italy": the list included all family members already in the regional registers, but it marked with an asterisk those who had obtained title by royal or ministerial decree. The Mapelli-Mozzi family are in the book and are marked with such an asterisk. In the 2000-2004 updated edition, on pages 44-45, Edoardo is listed as having been born in "Londra" (London) on November 19, 1983. He is given the title "Conte". 175.33.248.139 ( talk) 07:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
The fact that Edo's father currently refers to his son as indeed sharing the family "courtesy title" is enough to warrant a formal acknowledgement to this at the article's commencement.
See 2 citations below, including quotes from his father:
Thankyou 175.33.49.35 ( talk) 00:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
The WP convention on defunct titles is, that they should only be used if the majority of sources using it. We don't have to discuss if he is legally a count (he definitely isn't) or if certain social circles call him a count (they definitely do). So as far as I see the majority of sources use Mr. Mozzi not count Mozzi and we definitely should avoid to create any situation where people start calling him a count because that's what's on WP. -- Theoreticalmawi ( talk) 21:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi continued, "Edoardo is the only male descendent taking the family into the next generation. He is a count – his wife will be a countess automatically and any of their children will be counts or nobile donna."
Mr Mapelli Mozzi, who is also a count...
Should we be adding images depicting the buildings and individuals the subject of this article has been associated with to the page's relatively short body? Keivan.f Talk 19:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I have attempted to discuss this with user:Keivan.f on his talk page. I have explained that there is not a limited amount of space, so space can't be consumed by images, but he doesn't seem to understand, or wish to engage with my desire to add pictures. I clearly explained to him last week why MOS:SANDWICH is not at all relevant, but he cites it again. I pointed him to
WP:IMGCONTENT "The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central."
but he replied that " we don't throw around images, specially in cases where an article for the so called place or individual exists."
Images of the subject's school, significant others, and the stadium he raised money for, as well as his noble family's coat of arms, increase readers' understanding of the subject and the article as a whole.
If we were to avoid images of things that have articles about them there would be very few images, and the encyclopedia would be very boring indeed. The fact that the article is very thin increases the importance of good illustrations. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 20:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
all the images I added were labeled, and illustrated the text. An image of an extremely expensive school that was attended by the subject helps us understand him through his upbringing. What is the downside of including it? ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 21:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 20:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
If there was indeed a formatting problem, sort it out rather than delete content.
I see you claim "you added the images with these edits, I had them partially removed. You added them partially again, and I reverted that too. You went ahead and added them again, which resulted in me removing them once more." As far as I can see that is you admitting to WP:3R three reverts which is what you accused me of doing. The policy says -
"If an editor violates 3RR by mistake, they should reverse their own most recent reversion. Administrators may take this into account and decide not to block in such cases—for example, if the user is not a habitual edit warrior and is genuinely trying to rectify their own mistake."
Please undo your recent edits. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 19:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
This is a very un-important article, there isn't any consensus on images, there was just me wanting to add information, and you removing it citing irrelevant policies and claiming that images were "taking up space". It is quite common to include images of things, people, or places that have their own articles, and that duplication of information is Wikipedia's medium. Why is this person notable? Because he is married to York. His child's mother is not a relative, nor is his wife. He attended that school. Somebody reading the article can look at the school and get an idea of his education. Why object to that? It makes the article look better. Consensus is that the CoA is valid. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 20:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
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This site here states that his date of birth is November 1983. -- Blairall ( talk) 22:51, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Country Life does not say that the subject was born "Count Edoardo Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi". It merely refers to him as "Count Edoardo". Please do not restore this without a proper source. This article is about a living person who quite clearly calls himself Mr. Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
In 1921 it was the approved '"Official list of noble and titled families of the Kingdom of Italy": the list included all family members already in the regional registers, but it marked with an asterisk those who had obtained title by royal or ministerial decree. The Mapelli-Mozzi family are in the book and are marked with such an asterisk. In the 2000-2004 updated edition, on pages 44-45, Edoardo is listed as having been born in "Londra" (London) on November 19, 1983. He is given the title "Conte". 175.33.248.139 ( talk) 07:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
The fact that Edo's father currently refers to his son as indeed sharing the family "courtesy title" is enough to warrant a formal acknowledgement to this at the article's commencement.
See 2 citations below, including quotes from his father:
Thankyou 175.33.49.35 ( talk) 00:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
The WP convention on defunct titles is, that they should only be used if the majority of sources using it. We don't have to discuss if he is legally a count (he definitely isn't) or if certain social circles call him a count (they definitely do). So as far as I see the majority of sources use Mr. Mozzi not count Mozzi and we definitely should avoid to create any situation where people start calling him a count because that's what's on WP. -- Theoreticalmawi ( talk) 21:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
References
Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi continued, "Edoardo is the only male descendent taking the family into the next generation. He is a count – his wife will be a countess automatically and any of their children will be counts or nobile donna."
Mr Mapelli Mozzi, who is also a count...
Should we be adding images depicting the buildings and individuals the subject of this article has been associated with to the page's relatively short body? Keivan.f Talk 19:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I have attempted to discuss this with user:Keivan.f on his talk page. I have explained that there is not a limited amount of space, so space can't be consumed by images, but he doesn't seem to understand, or wish to engage with my desire to add pictures. I clearly explained to him last week why MOS:SANDWICH is not at all relevant, but he cites it again. I pointed him to
WP:IMGCONTENT "The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central."
but he replied that " we don't throw around images, specially in cases where an article for the so called place or individual exists."
Images of the subject's school, significant others, and the stadium he raised money for, as well as his noble family's coat of arms, increase readers' understanding of the subject and the article as a whole.
If we were to avoid images of things that have articles about them there would be very few images, and the encyclopedia would be very boring indeed. The fact that the article is very thin increases the importance of good illustrations. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 20:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
all the images I added were labeled, and illustrated the text. An image of an extremely expensive school that was attended by the subject helps us understand him through his upbringing. What is the downside of including it? ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 21:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 20:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
If there was indeed a formatting problem, sort it out rather than delete content.
I see you claim "you added the images with these edits, I had them partially removed. You added them partially again, and I reverted that too. You went ahead and added them again, which resulted in me removing them once more." As far as I can see that is you admitting to WP:3R three reverts which is what you accused me of doing. The policy says -
"If an editor violates 3RR by mistake, they should reverse their own most recent reversion. Administrators may take this into account and decide not to block in such cases—for example, if the user is not a habitual edit warrior and is genuinely trying to rectify their own mistake."
Please undo your recent edits. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 19:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
This is a very un-important article, there isn't any consensus on images, there was just me wanting to add information, and you removing it citing irrelevant policies and claiming that images were "taking up space". It is quite common to include images of things, people, or places that have their own articles, and that duplication of information is Wikipedia's medium. Why is this person notable? Because he is married to York. His child's mother is not a relative, nor is his wife. He attended that school. Somebody reading the article can look at the school and get an idea of his education. Why object to that? It makes the article look better. Consensus is that the CoA is valid. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ♥ Talk ♥ 20:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)