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The son of John Baufort, 1st Earl of Somerset, with the same name John Beaufort is said to be the 1st Duke of Somerset (see there).
So why Edmund should be the 1st? The page "Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset" ist redirected to "Edmund Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset". Is that correct?
Since he is listed as the second first Duke of Somerset, I think the article should tell us when he was created Duke. J S Ayer ( talk) 14:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone removed this information from the article in 2017; I have restored it. Richard75 ( talk) 11:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC) See also Cacroft's Peerage, GenUK, ThePeerage.com, and [1]. Richard75 ( talk) 12:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
It says "[[Edmund Beaufort, 4th Duke of Somerset|Edmund Beaufort, styled 3th Duke of Somerset]]". Should "3th" be 3rd or 4th? Art LaPella ( talk) 03:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Aren't John of Gaunt and Katherine Swyndford his paternal great-grandparents as appose to grandparents? His paternal grandfather was the 1st John Beaufort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.147.136.147 ( talk) 16:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, ignore my uninformed piece of rubbish above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.147.136.147 ( talk) 16:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Do we know anything about Edmund's son Thomas? He is listed in this article b 1442 d 1517 and Weir's Genealogy is cited, but Weir's listing gives no birth date and says he died young before 1463. In the article under Edmund Beaufort, 4th Duke of Somerset, Pollard is quoted 'His [Edmund, 4th Duke] younger brother John had been killed during the battle, and as both died unmarried, "the house of Beaufort and all the honours to which they were entitled became extinct",' which also implies Thomas died before his brothers Edmund and John in 1471.
So do we correct Thomas' listing in this article to remove the birth date and give the death as before 1463 per Weir? Or does anyone know where the dates 1442-1517 came from and can correct the citation? History Lunatic ( talk) 08:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)History Lunatic
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The son of John Baufort, 1st Earl of Somerset, with the same name John Beaufort is said to be the 1st Duke of Somerset (see there).
So why Edmund should be the 1st? The page "Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset" ist redirected to "Edmund Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset". Is that correct?
Since he is listed as the second first Duke of Somerset, I think the article should tell us when he was created Duke. J S Ayer ( talk) 14:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone removed this information from the article in 2017; I have restored it. Richard75 ( talk) 11:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC) See also Cacroft's Peerage, GenUK, ThePeerage.com, and [1]. Richard75 ( talk) 12:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
It says "[[Edmund Beaufort, 4th Duke of Somerset|Edmund Beaufort, styled 3th Duke of Somerset]]". Should "3th" be 3rd or 4th? Art LaPella ( talk) 03:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Aren't John of Gaunt and Katherine Swyndford his paternal great-grandparents as appose to grandparents? His paternal grandfather was the 1st John Beaufort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.147.136.147 ( talk) 16:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, ignore my uninformed piece of rubbish above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.147.136.147 ( talk) 16:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Do we know anything about Edmund's son Thomas? He is listed in this article b 1442 d 1517 and Weir's Genealogy is cited, but Weir's listing gives no birth date and says he died young before 1463. In the article under Edmund Beaufort, 4th Duke of Somerset, Pollard is quoted 'His [Edmund, 4th Duke] younger brother John had been killed during the battle, and as both died unmarried, "the house of Beaufort and all the honours to which they were entitled became extinct",' which also implies Thomas died before his brothers Edmund and John in 1471.
So do we correct Thomas' listing in this article to remove the birth date and give the death as before 1463 per Weir? Or does anyone know where the dates 1442-1517 came from and can correct the citation? History Lunatic ( talk) 08:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)History Lunatic