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I removed the Cleveland examples, because none of the places listed (Amherst, Bainbridge Township, Mantua, Medina, Painesville and Stow) are edge cities. Mantua is a rural village. Painesville and Medina are old county seats blended into Cleveland's sprawl without a particularly high density of offices. Bainbridge is a low-density exurb. I'm not as familiar with Amherst and Stow, but I really doubt they have enough office space to be considered edge cities. The only places in the Cleveland area I know of that could be considered edge cities are the Cloverleaf area of Independence and the Chagrin Blvd. corridor in Shaker Heights and Beachwood. -- Mwalcoff 02:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed several "edge cities" from the list because they do not fit the criteria. Many of the cities listed were historical population centers that had expierienced rapid recent growth. This list is still unwieldy and I suspect contains more inappropriate entries then correct. A rigorous approach is needed or the list should be removed to prevent every suburban commercial center in the country from being added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Miglewis ( talk • contribs) 20:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC).
Back when Edge City was penned in 1991, there was a list in the back of the book naming the edge cities surrounding various urban centers in the United States and Canada. Under New York there were about 20-25, including emerging edge cities. According to the list on the Wikipedia page, in the fifteen-sixteen years since the book was published the New York area has curiously spawned about 45-50 more. Might someone verify that? Svalbard in winter 04:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Some of the New York examples don't fit in to the term edge cities. Alot of the examples listed were more likely bedroom communities. In addition the Oakland neighborhood in Pittsburgh is an urban neighborhood so it does not fit into the term edge city.
The list of edge cities is kind of sprawling out of control, as I think the above comments seem to suggest. This might seem draconian at first, but I think the best solution is to try to get a published reference calling each item on the list an "edge city", probably from someone who is an unbiased observer with some credentials. If we can't find such a reference for an item, we remove it and the burden is on people who want to add it to find proof. I think this is a reasonable way to keep this article accurate and useful. Thoughts? -- W.marsh 20:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The term Edge-City was not coined in the 80s. It appeared in the "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" and was often made reference to by the merry pranksters (apparently). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.151.38.116 ( talk) 06:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
The U.S. Office of Management and Budget defines certain places as "principal cities", which area basically cities that serve as employment centers (see Section 5 of this document for the full definition). A list can be found here. I don't know if this is related to the concept of edge cities but it could be one way of trimming down the out of control list of cities. -- Polaron | Talk 17:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, as the article you cite clearly shows, principal cities are defined almost entirely by residential population. Edge cities, on the other hand, are defined by several criteria, none of which is residential population. Some principal cities are also edge cities, but they're far more likely to be traditional urban or suburban areas. VERY few principal cities outside of major downtown areas are going to be "characterized by more jobs than bedrooms", which is one of the criteria for an edge city. Think of principal cities as where people are more likely to live, and edge cities as where they're more likely to work and shop. In fact, many of the cities incorrectly listed as "edge cities" on the list (Tempe, Scottsdale, Carmel, Overland Park, and many others) are really just regular suburban principal cities, since they are highly residential. 71.115.14.122 05:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the current version is better but someone else might want to add the etymology that was deleted in a recent revision:
Jodi.a.schneider ( talk) 13:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
It looks like boomburb is just a neologism for an edge city. That article calls edge city "an older and more widely accepted term." It seems to revolve around the studies of one researcher, who happens to be the one who coined boomburb. I propose merging its information and references here (which will help with this article's tagged referencing issues) and listing any cities listed there on List of edge cities, if they're not there already. -- BDD ( talk) 17:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
To develop this article, perhaps we should add a subheading with a list of well known Edge Cities. Also, we should add a subheading where we explain how Edge Cities develop and why. Another thing we can add are the benefits and drawbacks that Edge Cities can experience.
Here's a basic bibliography that I compiled, feel free to make any suggestions or give any advice on what I can improve on -Edge City: Life on the New Frontier by Joel Garreau -Education in Edge City : cases for reflection and action by Reg Hinely, Alexandra G. Leavell, Karen Ford -Post-suburbia : government and politics in the edge cities by Jon C. Teaford -The Growth Machine Stops? Urban Politics and the Making and Remaking of an Edge City by Nichols A. Phelps -The pace of life and temporal resources in a neighborhood of an edge city by Daniel Paiva, Herculano Cachinho, Teresa Barata-Salgueiro - https://www.worldatlas.com/what-is-an-edge-city.html - http://atributosurbanos.es/en/terms/edge-city/ - https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/09/20/life-in-edge-city/a0dd4c88-ee49-4a17-bc7e-6cf19fa4db8d/?utm_term=.0f5029d87aea - https://www.thoughtco.com/edge-city-1435778 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nguyenandrew ( talk • contribs) 21:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Seems a poor example even thought it's a recent construction, is close an highway, but well it seems to be the main business District of the city. It's barely far from the centre, and it was not built right from bare fields. 2A01:E34:EC12:36C0:8C7C:1D24:470C:E316 ( talk) 08:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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I removed the Cleveland examples, because none of the places listed (Amherst, Bainbridge Township, Mantua, Medina, Painesville and Stow) are edge cities. Mantua is a rural village. Painesville and Medina are old county seats blended into Cleveland's sprawl without a particularly high density of offices. Bainbridge is a low-density exurb. I'm not as familiar with Amherst and Stow, but I really doubt they have enough office space to be considered edge cities. The only places in the Cleveland area I know of that could be considered edge cities are the Cloverleaf area of Independence and the Chagrin Blvd. corridor in Shaker Heights and Beachwood. -- Mwalcoff 02:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed several "edge cities" from the list because they do not fit the criteria. Many of the cities listed were historical population centers that had expierienced rapid recent growth. This list is still unwieldy and I suspect contains more inappropriate entries then correct. A rigorous approach is needed or the list should be removed to prevent every suburban commercial center in the country from being added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Miglewis ( talk • contribs) 20:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC).
Back when Edge City was penned in 1991, there was a list in the back of the book naming the edge cities surrounding various urban centers in the United States and Canada. Under New York there were about 20-25, including emerging edge cities. According to the list on the Wikipedia page, in the fifteen-sixteen years since the book was published the New York area has curiously spawned about 45-50 more. Might someone verify that? Svalbard in winter 04:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Some of the New York examples don't fit in to the term edge cities. Alot of the examples listed were more likely bedroom communities. In addition the Oakland neighborhood in Pittsburgh is an urban neighborhood so it does not fit into the term edge city.
The list of edge cities is kind of sprawling out of control, as I think the above comments seem to suggest. This might seem draconian at first, but I think the best solution is to try to get a published reference calling each item on the list an "edge city", probably from someone who is an unbiased observer with some credentials. If we can't find such a reference for an item, we remove it and the burden is on people who want to add it to find proof. I think this is a reasonable way to keep this article accurate and useful. Thoughts? -- W.marsh 20:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The term Edge-City was not coined in the 80s. It appeared in the "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" and was often made reference to by the merry pranksters (apparently). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.151.38.116 ( talk) 06:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
The U.S. Office of Management and Budget defines certain places as "principal cities", which area basically cities that serve as employment centers (see Section 5 of this document for the full definition). A list can be found here. I don't know if this is related to the concept of edge cities but it could be one way of trimming down the out of control list of cities. -- Polaron | Talk 17:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, as the article you cite clearly shows, principal cities are defined almost entirely by residential population. Edge cities, on the other hand, are defined by several criteria, none of which is residential population. Some principal cities are also edge cities, but they're far more likely to be traditional urban or suburban areas. VERY few principal cities outside of major downtown areas are going to be "characterized by more jobs than bedrooms", which is one of the criteria for an edge city. Think of principal cities as where people are more likely to live, and edge cities as where they're more likely to work and shop. In fact, many of the cities incorrectly listed as "edge cities" on the list (Tempe, Scottsdale, Carmel, Overland Park, and many others) are really just regular suburban principal cities, since they are highly residential. 71.115.14.122 05:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the current version is better but someone else might want to add the etymology that was deleted in a recent revision:
Jodi.a.schneider ( talk) 13:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
It looks like boomburb is just a neologism for an edge city. That article calls edge city "an older and more widely accepted term." It seems to revolve around the studies of one researcher, who happens to be the one who coined boomburb. I propose merging its information and references here (which will help with this article's tagged referencing issues) and listing any cities listed there on List of edge cities, if they're not there already. -- BDD ( talk) 17:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
To develop this article, perhaps we should add a subheading with a list of well known Edge Cities. Also, we should add a subheading where we explain how Edge Cities develop and why. Another thing we can add are the benefits and drawbacks that Edge Cities can experience.
Here's a basic bibliography that I compiled, feel free to make any suggestions or give any advice on what I can improve on -Edge City: Life on the New Frontier by Joel Garreau -Education in Edge City : cases for reflection and action by Reg Hinely, Alexandra G. Leavell, Karen Ford -Post-suburbia : government and politics in the edge cities by Jon C. Teaford -The Growth Machine Stops? Urban Politics and the Making and Remaking of an Edge City by Nichols A. Phelps -The pace of life and temporal resources in a neighborhood of an edge city by Daniel Paiva, Herculano Cachinho, Teresa Barata-Salgueiro - https://www.worldatlas.com/what-is-an-edge-city.html - http://atributosurbanos.es/en/terms/edge-city/ - https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/09/20/life-in-edge-city/a0dd4c88-ee49-4a17-bc7e-6cf19fa4db8d/?utm_term=.0f5029d87aea - https://www.thoughtco.com/edge-city-1435778 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nguyenandrew ( talk • contribs) 21:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Seems a poor example even thought it's a recent construction, is close an highway, but well it seems to be the main business District of the city. It's barely far from the centre, and it was not built right from bare fields. 2A01:E34:EC12:36C0:8C7C:1D24:470C:E316 ( talk) 08:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)