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It would be much more useful for an encyclopedia to have brief articles on the more significant Poe works than to have complete texts. I think that about ALL the works of literature that have been put on wikipedia, so far, but especially once they start taking up multiple pages. Wikipedia may not be paper, but nor is it the sum of all information. --MichaelTinkler.
Didn't he die in Baltimore? Danny
I heard he was buried in Baltimore too. Isn't it that a annoyomous person places a rose on his grave and a bottle of whiskey every year on the anniversary of his death? I visited his burial sight last year and that was what I had heard. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:12, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Where is this "widely" where The Raven is considered the most famous American poem? I've been lots of places, but never there yet -- where I've been in the U.S., A Visit from St. Nick has it beat hands down, not to mention a couple of Longfellow's and Trees, among others. I'll give you that a lot of people know the word "Nevermore" from it, but not the poem itself, and not more than know "Dasher and Dancer and Prancer and" so on. -- isis 04:31 Nov 4, 2002 (UTC)
I'm not really up-to-date on the current thinking about how categories should work. I'm just curious--what's the thinking behind putting Edgar Allan Poe solely in the category "Edgar Allan Poe" and having all the categories link to the category rather than the article? Is this the way to go with other major authors with a lot of related articles in WP? P.Riis 18:10, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
OK, thanks, I get it. There was a pre-existing typo'd category. I'll just sit back and see what other people make of it. (That "Allen" typo gets in everywhere, doesn't it!) P.Riis 20:54, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I'm really not too crazy about the "Notable Works" section for a couple reasons--first of all, some of the choices seem kind of arbitrary, and secondly, the articles linked out from there aren't on the whole very useful. Many (most) of them are only a sentence or two, and it doesn't look like anyone's jumping to expand them into useful articles.
So how do you deal with a situation like this? I wonder if it might be better to take the very short ones and just make them redirects, then put whatever useful information is in these tiny articles right on the Poe page. The larger ones (say ones that are more than a couple of sentences) we could leave. It just seems that people are adding their favorite Poe story, making a link, then creating a not very useful stub.
For now, I'm just taking out the red links, so people don't feel obligated to create links for each story. P. Riis 00:32, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I used your page as a link to my article on Poe's Ligeia. Hope you don't mind. -- S0BeURself 04:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
What is this "Selected Poe-related films" section? It looks just like a list of his short stories.. Narcissus 06:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The notable section seems to be added and dropped and reverted on a regular basis. Personally, I think the "Notable Works" section goes against Wikipedia guidelines and intent as it's literally just a bibliography. This would best be handled by a category and some brave soul to add each work as nodes. I'm sure it will be reverted, but it was removed by 163.24.117.209 earlier today, and I reverted all BUT the notable works section. I think films, adaptions and places where Poe appears as a character is appropriate. But to list practically every story he ever wrote is a bit crazy. Just my two cents. -- Coplan 21:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
It's just a detail, but in the "Poe's death" section, it is said "Every year since 1949, a cloaked, unknown admirer has left a birthday rose and a bottle of whiskey on Poe's grave"; while in the "Legacy" section, it is said "It has been reported that an man draped in black with a silver-tipped cane, kneels at the grave for a toast of Martel cognac and leaves the half-full bottle and three red roses". Can anybody tell which is correct ? And shouldn't this be mentionned only once? Dom 14:52, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
An anonymous editor removed the Legacy section in its entirety on 4 March 2005. I have restored the section and renamed it for better description. There is much interesting information within it. If someone thinks it is inappropriate, let's discuss it here. -- Blainster 00:05, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is there any reason the link to The Raven points to able2know.com, and not the wikisource url for this document?
Mchlax 07:29, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Here are various locations where suggestions have been made to improve this article. The info on Poe's life needs to be expanded, as does info on how his work was perceived in his lifetime and after his death. Thanks in advance if you're going to help out.
Harro5 ( talk · contribs) 07:13, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
I wish I could offer to supply all of these wants, but the only thing I can really offer is the last one. Geogre 04:29, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
By the way...Poe considered the Raven to be his best work - heavily detailing it in the Philosophy of Composition. I'll find my source if you would like. I think I might have read it from a piece on Poe written by the well-known critic Harold Bloom. But I do agree that other works should be detailed because he has many famous ones. -- Nadsat 05:10, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
Would anybody object to/support the thought of adding a cryptography section to this page. I know Alexander's Weekly and crytogrpahy is mentioned in the article, but maybe it would be interesting to devote a full section to it. Perhaps that would also help with the layout of the page (so that a paragraph about crytography doesn't just appear randomly in the middle of it all) etc. I'd be happy to do it. Thoughts? -- Nadsat 05:04, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
Why does the article end abruptly with, "He like gay porn."? Even if it's true, can't it be worded more formally? And must it come out of nowhere without any supporting citation?
The statement "There is also no evidence to why he wrote a poem called "To the river". There is no recording in what the poem means or why he wrote it," in the "life of" section does not belong in its present location and I do not see any place for it in the entire article. It critiques a specific poem with no indication-- or evidence-- of the poem's overall significance. I'm removing it.
Are we sure Hans Pfaal is considered a novel?
Hans Pfall was intended to have been a novel, but the second half was never written. IIRC the first half was not published until after Poe's death. I'm not certain it can be considered a novel either -- its short length alone seems to disqualify it. I went ahead and changed the heading to "Longer Works" to concur with the Wikisource listing, and added "(novel)" after Pym to reflect the difference between the works. ~CS 28 June 2005 19:49 (UTC)
1.The article, surprisingly, makes no mention at all of Poe's two siblings (a brother and sister I believe) and what his relationship with them was.
There was a sister, Lucy Ann Poe. Mitch 04:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
2.A sentence or two should be added dealing with Poe's gambling and financial problems while he was at west point. After all, it was his financial situation which was one of the main causes of the friction with his adoptive father.
3.Much more should be said in the article about Poe's relationship with Virginia, and about how her illness and death influenced the themes in his fiction.
4.There should be a lengthy section dealing with the major themes, both textual and sub-textual, in Poe's fiction.
5.The article should also mention Poe's carrer as a public speaker.
6.And like other users have mentioned, there should be something about how his work was recieved by critics in his own time. Anon
The article's text currently reads, in a quote from W. H. Auden: "His portraits of abnormal or self-destructive states contributed much to Dostoyevsky, his ratiocinatin hero is the ancestor of Sherlock Holmes and his many successors, his tales of the future lead to H. G. Wells, his adventure stories to Jules Verne and Robert Louis Stevenson." Could someone please clarify what "ratiocinatin" is supposed to be? - 208.20.220.69 21:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Note also the citation mentions Auden's "recent" revitalisation of interest in Poe. Auden died in 1973.
Note on Auden quote. Sherlock Holmes was created to rival Poe's character Dupin. Dupin used his creative sense of discovery and Holmes happened to merely be a deductive fool, whose mysteries always happened to work out. This was the intention of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. nemesis1981
I notice that Harro5 reverted a recent anonymous edit pertaining to Poe's presense on the cover of the Beatle's album Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Harro attributes this to vandalism -- which I'm afraid is an error. Poe is there: top row, eighth from the right. I have taken the liberty of re-insterting the line, but I have corrected what I believe was probably of more concern to Harro5: The anonymous poster inserted this line into a paragraph about serious musical inturprurations of Poe's work. Instead, I have placed it at the bottom of the "Legacy and Lore" section, where more frivolous Pop-culture Poe references reside. This struck me as a vastly more apporpriate place. ~CS 19:34, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Since it was already pretty much divided according to genre, I gave each genre a subsection heading. Hopefully that will help some with the formatting issues. There's still the problem that the paragraphs are too short--someone with greater knowledge of these matters than my own could expand them. They're based on Poe Encyclopedia entries, which are quite short themselves. Wje 23:08, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I question the addition of Lou Reed's name to the Music subsection of the Legacy and Lore section. The Legacy and Lore section is supposed to be for artists that were directly influenced by Poe, and the influence of Poe can be seen in their works. Though Lou Reed did have one album based on Poe's works, I haven't noticed a profound Poe influence on the body of his works, like one might see with the other artists named. If I'm wrong, let me know. Wje 01:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
For some reason or another, someone wrote "i laugh at you" under the heading for Poe's death. I don't know if this has any significance or if it was just someone fooling around... Either way, someone should look into fixing it. If there is some significance, then the reason should be noted. -Anonymous User
Yes it just looks like vandalism. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Someone changed the referrence to plagiarism in Baudelaire's Fleur du Mal to "inspired him". If you read Fleur du Mal, you'll see that Baudelaire really does include Poe in a list of authors whom he claimed to have plagiarized in the book. Though plagiarism often has negative connotations, I think we should go by Baudelaire's own words here--if he calls it plagiarism, then that's what we should call it. I changed it back. Wje 18:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Just thought those who regularly edit this page might be interested to know that it has come up in this discussion at MetaFilter, specifically beginning with this post. -- ManekiNeko | Talk 00:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I couldn't find a reliable source for dating Poe's works. I found [2] which has dates for all short stories. Do you think this is reliable? Any other idea? Yann 12:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Second para of Edgar Allan Poe#Literary and artistic theory has a link Ideality, but that ideality article is about phrenology. Is that the correct target, or should it be Ideal (ethics), or just unlinked? I couldn't quite tell (though I did presume it wasn't referring to Ideality in TRIZ. :-) — Kevin Ryde 21:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Gravity is the weakest force? Is it not gravity that forms the "degenerate" matter in white dwarfs and crushes electrons into protons thereby creating neutron stars? Is it not gravity that waprs the very fabric of space and time, even to the point of creating the inescapable black holes, thereby conquering the forces that support the nucleus?
It strikes me that referring to gravity as the "weakest" force is misleading. It has the greatest reach and, ultimately, the greatest power.
70.116.68.198 22:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)Don Granberry.
Oh, I'm quite familiar with those claims and have been for a long time. It just strikes me as odd that we refer to the force that steers galaxies and creates black holes as the "weakest" force. The reach of gravity is essentially universal and touches everything, even such things as light, which the forces holding nucei together cannot touch. So, explain to me once again how it is that gravity is the "weakest" of the natural forces. All the other forces have a very limited range, yes?
70.116.68.198 15:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)Don.
But dollar bills are useful, so is gravity. ( ChildOfMorella 17:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC))
The original claim here was entirely spurious, and rightfully recognized as such. However, what about modern quantum theories of gravity, some of which posit a considerably stronger force of gravity which bleeds out into extra dimensions, making the effect weaker in our 3+1 dimensions. This is the idea behind Supergravity, although this article is not particually easy to understand. In any case, the point is that it's a bit too early to say that gravity has been proven to be weakest. We've proven that it's the weakest locally, we don't know for sure about it's true nature. Arturus 06:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to list an article on the frequent vandalism page? This is getting out of hand. Nareek 01:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I just restored a section that had been replaced with a one-liner that had been there for an hour. The attacks are coming so frequently that a would-be restorer reverted to another vandal's version. If this isn't an article that requires special vandalism attention, I'd hate to see one that does. Nareek 01:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
The Vandalism thing really IS getting out of hand, but I don't know how to fix it. - skippyt
People, "futurism" does not mean "looking into the future", or id does so only marginally. The person who placed Poe in the cat should have the common sense to look at whatever else is in there. Check out the article: Futurism (art). Dahn 08:37, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Isn't Maurits Hansen the progenitor of detective fiction, rather than Poe? Mordet paa Maskinbygger Roolfsen [The Murder of Machine-Builder Roolfsen] was published in 1839, whereas The Murders in the Rue Morgue didn't appear until 1841. 84.234.138.130
Since the Poe article is considerably longer than WP guidelines suggest, it seems like a good idea to spin off the more separable parts of the article into their own pages. I've created an article called Edgar Allan Poe and music, based on the music section here plus a couple of other references, augmented by a little bit of Internet digging. Not only does it give us the chance to slim down the main article, separating the Poe/music material seemed to make it easier to organize it, giving it, I think, somewhat more coherence as an article than it had as a section. Please take a look, and if it seems like it works as the beginnings of an article, let's replace the corresponding sections here with a "see also" reference. Nareek 12:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
He also once said how “ allegory is an inferior form of literature, because it is designed to evoke interest in both the narrative and abstract ideas for which the story stands for and distracts the reader from the singleness effect”.
He actually said that? Double "for"s and all? I Googled for a cite and found nothing but a couple dozen duplicates of this article. -- Mr. Billion 03:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
In defence of allegory, (however, or for whatever object, employed,) there is scarcely one respectable word to be said. Its best appeals are made to the fancy — that is to say, to our sense of adaptation, not of matters proper, but of matters irnproper for the purpose, of the real with the unreal; having never more of intelligible connection than has something with nothing, never half so much of effective affinity as has the substance for the shadow. The deepest emotion aroused within us by the happiest allegory, as allegory, is a very, very imperfectly satisfied sense of the writer's ingenuity in overcoming a difficulty we should have preferred his not having attempted to overcome. The fallacy of the idea that allegory, in any of its moods, can be made to enforce a truth — that metaphor, for example, may illustrate as well as embellish an argument — could be promptly demonstrated: the converse of the supposed fact might be shown, indeed, with very little trouble — but these are topics foreign to my present purpose. One thing is clear, that if allegory ever establishes a fact, it is by dint of over-turning a fiction. Where the suggested meaning runs through the obvious one in a rely profound undercurrent, so as never to interfere with the upper one without our own volition, so as never to show itself unless called to the surface, there only, for the proper uses of fictitious narrative, is it available at all. Under the best circumstances, it must always interfere with that unity of effect which, to the artist, is worth all the allegory in the world. Its vital injury, however, is rendered to the most vitally important point in fiction--that of earnestness or verisimilitude. That "The Pilgrim's Progress" is a ludicrously over-rated book, owing its seeming popularity to one or two of those accidents in critical literature which by the critical are sufficiently well understood, is a matter upon which no two thinking people disagree; but the pleasure derivable from it, in any sense, will be found in the direct ratio of the reader's capacity to smother its true purpose, in the direct ratio of his ability to keep the allegory out of sight, or of his inability to comprehend it. Of allegory properly handled, judiciously subdued, seen only as a shadow or by suggestive glimpses, and making its nearest approach to truth in a not obtrusive and therefore not unpleasant appositeness, the "Undine" of De La Motte Fouque is the best, and undoubtedly a very remarkable specimen. [3]
Thanks! -- Mr. Billion 17:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
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It would be much more useful for an encyclopedia to have brief articles on the more significant Poe works than to have complete texts. I think that about ALL the works of literature that have been put on wikipedia, so far, but especially once they start taking up multiple pages. Wikipedia may not be paper, but nor is it the sum of all information. --MichaelTinkler.
Didn't he die in Baltimore? Danny
I heard he was buried in Baltimore too. Isn't it that a annoyomous person places a rose on his grave and a bottle of whiskey every year on the anniversary of his death? I visited his burial sight last year and that was what I had heard. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:12, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Where is this "widely" where The Raven is considered the most famous American poem? I've been lots of places, but never there yet -- where I've been in the U.S., A Visit from St. Nick has it beat hands down, not to mention a couple of Longfellow's and Trees, among others. I'll give you that a lot of people know the word "Nevermore" from it, but not the poem itself, and not more than know "Dasher and Dancer and Prancer and" so on. -- isis 04:31 Nov 4, 2002 (UTC)
I'm not really up-to-date on the current thinking about how categories should work. I'm just curious--what's the thinking behind putting Edgar Allan Poe solely in the category "Edgar Allan Poe" and having all the categories link to the category rather than the article? Is this the way to go with other major authors with a lot of related articles in WP? P.Riis 18:10, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
OK, thanks, I get it. There was a pre-existing typo'd category. I'll just sit back and see what other people make of it. (That "Allen" typo gets in everywhere, doesn't it!) P.Riis 20:54, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I'm really not too crazy about the "Notable Works" section for a couple reasons--first of all, some of the choices seem kind of arbitrary, and secondly, the articles linked out from there aren't on the whole very useful. Many (most) of them are only a sentence or two, and it doesn't look like anyone's jumping to expand them into useful articles.
So how do you deal with a situation like this? I wonder if it might be better to take the very short ones and just make them redirects, then put whatever useful information is in these tiny articles right on the Poe page. The larger ones (say ones that are more than a couple of sentences) we could leave. It just seems that people are adding their favorite Poe story, making a link, then creating a not very useful stub.
For now, I'm just taking out the red links, so people don't feel obligated to create links for each story. P. Riis 00:32, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I used your page as a link to my article on Poe's Ligeia. Hope you don't mind. -- S0BeURself 04:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
What is this "Selected Poe-related films" section? It looks just like a list of his short stories.. Narcissus 06:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The notable section seems to be added and dropped and reverted on a regular basis. Personally, I think the "Notable Works" section goes against Wikipedia guidelines and intent as it's literally just a bibliography. This would best be handled by a category and some brave soul to add each work as nodes. I'm sure it will be reverted, but it was removed by 163.24.117.209 earlier today, and I reverted all BUT the notable works section. I think films, adaptions and places where Poe appears as a character is appropriate. But to list practically every story he ever wrote is a bit crazy. Just my two cents. -- Coplan 21:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
It's just a detail, but in the "Poe's death" section, it is said "Every year since 1949, a cloaked, unknown admirer has left a birthday rose and a bottle of whiskey on Poe's grave"; while in the "Legacy" section, it is said "It has been reported that an man draped in black with a silver-tipped cane, kneels at the grave for a toast of Martel cognac and leaves the half-full bottle and three red roses". Can anybody tell which is correct ? And shouldn't this be mentionned only once? Dom 14:52, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
An anonymous editor removed the Legacy section in its entirety on 4 March 2005. I have restored the section and renamed it for better description. There is much interesting information within it. If someone thinks it is inappropriate, let's discuss it here. -- Blainster 00:05, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is there any reason the link to The Raven points to able2know.com, and not the wikisource url for this document?
Mchlax 07:29, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Here are various locations where suggestions have been made to improve this article. The info on Poe's life needs to be expanded, as does info on how his work was perceived in his lifetime and after his death. Thanks in advance if you're going to help out.
Harro5 ( talk · contribs) 07:13, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
I wish I could offer to supply all of these wants, but the only thing I can really offer is the last one. Geogre 04:29, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
By the way...Poe considered the Raven to be his best work - heavily detailing it in the Philosophy of Composition. I'll find my source if you would like. I think I might have read it from a piece on Poe written by the well-known critic Harold Bloom. But I do agree that other works should be detailed because he has many famous ones. -- Nadsat 05:10, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
Would anybody object to/support the thought of adding a cryptography section to this page. I know Alexander's Weekly and crytogrpahy is mentioned in the article, but maybe it would be interesting to devote a full section to it. Perhaps that would also help with the layout of the page (so that a paragraph about crytography doesn't just appear randomly in the middle of it all) etc. I'd be happy to do it. Thoughts? -- Nadsat 05:04, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
Why does the article end abruptly with, "He like gay porn."? Even if it's true, can't it be worded more formally? And must it come out of nowhere without any supporting citation?
The statement "There is also no evidence to why he wrote a poem called "To the river". There is no recording in what the poem means or why he wrote it," in the "life of" section does not belong in its present location and I do not see any place for it in the entire article. It critiques a specific poem with no indication-- or evidence-- of the poem's overall significance. I'm removing it.
Are we sure Hans Pfaal is considered a novel?
Hans Pfall was intended to have been a novel, but the second half was never written. IIRC the first half was not published until after Poe's death. I'm not certain it can be considered a novel either -- its short length alone seems to disqualify it. I went ahead and changed the heading to "Longer Works" to concur with the Wikisource listing, and added "(novel)" after Pym to reflect the difference between the works. ~CS 28 June 2005 19:49 (UTC)
1.The article, surprisingly, makes no mention at all of Poe's two siblings (a brother and sister I believe) and what his relationship with them was.
There was a sister, Lucy Ann Poe. Mitch 04:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
2.A sentence or two should be added dealing with Poe's gambling and financial problems while he was at west point. After all, it was his financial situation which was one of the main causes of the friction with his adoptive father.
3.Much more should be said in the article about Poe's relationship with Virginia, and about how her illness and death influenced the themes in his fiction.
4.There should be a lengthy section dealing with the major themes, both textual and sub-textual, in Poe's fiction.
5.The article should also mention Poe's carrer as a public speaker.
6.And like other users have mentioned, there should be something about how his work was recieved by critics in his own time. Anon
The article's text currently reads, in a quote from W. H. Auden: "His portraits of abnormal or self-destructive states contributed much to Dostoyevsky, his ratiocinatin hero is the ancestor of Sherlock Holmes and his many successors, his tales of the future lead to H. G. Wells, his adventure stories to Jules Verne and Robert Louis Stevenson." Could someone please clarify what "ratiocinatin" is supposed to be? - 208.20.220.69 21:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Note also the citation mentions Auden's "recent" revitalisation of interest in Poe. Auden died in 1973.
Note on Auden quote. Sherlock Holmes was created to rival Poe's character Dupin. Dupin used his creative sense of discovery and Holmes happened to merely be a deductive fool, whose mysteries always happened to work out. This was the intention of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. nemesis1981
I notice that Harro5 reverted a recent anonymous edit pertaining to Poe's presense on the cover of the Beatle's album Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Harro attributes this to vandalism -- which I'm afraid is an error. Poe is there: top row, eighth from the right. I have taken the liberty of re-insterting the line, but I have corrected what I believe was probably of more concern to Harro5: The anonymous poster inserted this line into a paragraph about serious musical inturprurations of Poe's work. Instead, I have placed it at the bottom of the "Legacy and Lore" section, where more frivolous Pop-culture Poe references reside. This struck me as a vastly more apporpriate place. ~CS 19:34, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Since it was already pretty much divided according to genre, I gave each genre a subsection heading. Hopefully that will help some with the formatting issues. There's still the problem that the paragraphs are too short--someone with greater knowledge of these matters than my own could expand them. They're based on Poe Encyclopedia entries, which are quite short themselves. Wje 23:08, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I question the addition of Lou Reed's name to the Music subsection of the Legacy and Lore section. The Legacy and Lore section is supposed to be for artists that were directly influenced by Poe, and the influence of Poe can be seen in their works. Though Lou Reed did have one album based on Poe's works, I haven't noticed a profound Poe influence on the body of his works, like one might see with the other artists named. If I'm wrong, let me know. Wje 01:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
For some reason or another, someone wrote "i laugh at you" under the heading for Poe's death. I don't know if this has any significance or if it was just someone fooling around... Either way, someone should look into fixing it. If there is some significance, then the reason should be noted. -Anonymous User
Yes it just looks like vandalism. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 15:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Someone changed the referrence to plagiarism in Baudelaire's Fleur du Mal to "inspired him". If you read Fleur du Mal, you'll see that Baudelaire really does include Poe in a list of authors whom he claimed to have plagiarized in the book. Though plagiarism often has negative connotations, I think we should go by Baudelaire's own words here--if he calls it plagiarism, then that's what we should call it. I changed it back. Wje 18:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Just thought those who regularly edit this page might be interested to know that it has come up in this discussion at MetaFilter, specifically beginning with this post. -- ManekiNeko | Talk 00:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I couldn't find a reliable source for dating Poe's works. I found [2] which has dates for all short stories. Do you think this is reliable? Any other idea? Yann 12:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Second para of Edgar Allan Poe#Literary and artistic theory has a link Ideality, but that ideality article is about phrenology. Is that the correct target, or should it be Ideal (ethics), or just unlinked? I couldn't quite tell (though I did presume it wasn't referring to Ideality in TRIZ. :-) — Kevin Ryde 21:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Gravity is the weakest force? Is it not gravity that forms the "degenerate" matter in white dwarfs and crushes electrons into protons thereby creating neutron stars? Is it not gravity that waprs the very fabric of space and time, even to the point of creating the inescapable black holes, thereby conquering the forces that support the nucleus?
It strikes me that referring to gravity as the "weakest" force is misleading. It has the greatest reach and, ultimately, the greatest power.
70.116.68.198 22:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)Don Granberry.
Oh, I'm quite familiar with those claims and have been for a long time. It just strikes me as odd that we refer to the force that steers galaxies and creates black holes as the "weakest" force. The reach of gravity is essentially universal and touches everything, even such things as light, which the forces holding nucei together cannot touch. So, explain to me once again how it is that gravity is the "weakest" of the natural forces. All the other forces have a very limited range, yes?
70.116.68.198 15:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)Don.
But dollar bills are useful, so is gravity. ( ChildOfMorella 17:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC))
The original claim here was entirely spurious, and rightfully recognized as such. However, what about modern quantum theories of gravity, some of which posit a considerably stronger force of gravity which bleeds out into extra dimensions, making the effect weaker in our 3+1 dimensions. This is the idea behind Supergravity, although this article is not particually easy to understand. In any case, the point is that it's a bit too early to say that gravity has been proven to be weakest. We've proven that it's the weakest locally, we don't know for sure about it's true nature. Arturus 06:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to list an article on the frequent vandalism page? This is getting out of hand. Nareek 01:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I just restored a section that had been replaced with a one-liner that had been there for an hour. The attacks are coming so frequently that a would-be restorer reverted to another vandal's version. If this isn't an article that requires special vandalism attention, I'd hate to see one that does. Nareek 01:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
The Vandalism thing really IS getting out of hand, but I don't know how to fix it. - skippyt
People, "futurism" does not mean "looking into the future", or id does so only marginally. The person who placed Poe in the cat should have the common sense to look at whatever else is in there. Check out the article: Futurism (art). Dahn 08:37, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Isn't Maurits Hansen the progenitor of detective fiction, rather than Poe? Mordet paa Maskinbygger Roolfsen [The Murder of Machine-Builder Roolfsen] was published in 1839, whereas The Murders in the Rue Morgue didn't appear until 1841. 84.234.138.130
Since the Poe article is considerably longer than WP guidelines suggest, it seems like a good idea to spin off the more separable parts of the article into their own pages. I've created an article called Edgar Allan Poe and music, based on the music section here plus a couple of other references, augmented by a little bit of Internet digging. Not only does it give us the chance to slim down the main article, separating the Poe/music material seemed to make it easier to organize it, giving it, I think, somewhat more coherence as an article than it had as a section. Please take a look, and if it seems like it works as the beginnings of an article, let's replace the corresponding sections here with a "see also" reference. Nareek 12:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
He also once said how “ allegory is an inferior form of literature, because it is designed to evoke interest in both the narrative and abstract ideas for which the story stands for and distracts the reader from the singleness effect”.
He actually said that? Double "for"s and all? I Googled for a cite and found nothing but a couple dozen duplicates of this article. -- Mr. Billion 03:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
In defence of allegory, (however, or for whatever object, employed,) there is scarcely one respectable word to be said. Its best appeals are made to the fancy — that is to say, to our sense of adaptation, not of matters proper, but of matters irnproper for the purpose, of the real with the unreal; having never more of intelligible connection than has something with nothing, never half so much of effective affinity as has the substance for the shadow. The deepest emotion aroused within us by the happiest allegory, as allegory, is a very, very imperfectly satisfied sense of the writer's ingenuity in overcoming a difficulty we should have preferred his not having attempted to overcome. The fallacy of the idea that allegory, in any of its moods, can be made to enforce a truth — that metaphor, for example, may illustrate as well as embellish an argument — could be promptly demonstrated: the converse of the supposed fact might be shown, indeed, with very little trouble — but these are topics foreign to my present purpose. One thing is clear, that if allegory ever establishes a fact, it is by dint of over-turning a fiction. Where the suggested meaning runs through the obvious one in a rely profound undercurrent, so as never to interfere with the upper one without our own volition, so as never to show itself unless called to the surface, there only, for the proper uses of fictitious narrative, is it available at all. Under the best circumstances, it must always interfere with that unity of effect which, to the artist, is worth all the allegory in the world. Its vital injury, however, is rendered to the most vitally important point in fiction--that of earnestness or verisimilitude. That "The Pilgrim's Progress" is a ludicrously over-rated book, owing its seeming popularity to one or two of those accidents in critical literature which by the critical are sufficiently well understood, is a matter upon which no two thinking people disagree; but the pleasure derivable from it, in any sense, will be found in the direct ratio of the reader's capacity to smother its true purpose, in the direct ratio of his ability to keep the allegory out of sight, or of his inability to comprehend it. Of allegory properly handled, judiciously subdued, seen only as a shadow or by suggestive glimpses, and making its nearest approach to truth in a not obtrusive and therefore not unpleasant appositeness, the "Undine" of De La Motte Fouque is the best, and undoubtedly a very remarkable specimen. [3]
Thanks! -- Mr. Billion 17:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)