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The voice, along with the way it is portrayed, is a total copy of the original Dune. Just wanted to point that out.-- Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 06:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Please use this talk page only for discussing improvements to the article. You can go to a fan forum on another site to discuss complaints about the show. Primogen 18:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the proper name for Eden's power, based on what we know at this point? We know that she can influence the actions of others, but she could also (apparently) put Sylar to sleep and (according to the graphic novlel) cause her mother's heart to stop beating. I've seen various editors use the terms mind control, power of suggestion, and power of persuasion. Is there one that is the most accurate descriptor? Primogen 21:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The description last modified by User:Primogen is good (current) description of her power, and needs no more major rewording or revisions at this time, IMO. BTW, she did actually issue a command to die in the graphic novel- it was NOT a suggestion, as I noted earlier. -- Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 05:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
On Sylar's page it's indicated that Eden turned the gun on herself to prevent him from acquiring her abilities. This is also the general consensus on the TWOP forum for this episode. I think this should be reflected in Eden's article but I don't want to get into an edit war with someone who interpreted the events differently. Ozmodiar.x 04:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Since Sylar would not benifit from Eden shooting herself, and Sylar was not the one shot since he is fine in the previews, we can safely assume that Eden shot herself to make sure Sylar wouldn't get her powers. -- Piemanmoo 07:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
The graphic novel states that Eden shot and killed herself. Hopefully that is enough to prevent an edit war. Trevor 17:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Sylar kills others by removing their brain, so Eden shooting herself would not harm what he intends right? Bio 21:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I added a couple of sentences comparing Eden's powers to those of the Bene Gesserit of Dune. Clearly based on the comments on this page I'm not the only one who sees the similarity. An anon editor deleted it, saying it was "unneccesary." As a rationale that is impermissibly POV. Next s/he deleted it saying it's a violation of Wikipedia policy. When asked to cite the policy, s/he did not.
The comparison between the two is very useful to those who are familiar with Dune, either through the novels, the David Lynch film or the Sci Fi Channel mini-series. While I have no cite I find it hard to believe that it's coincidental that Eden's powers are denoted on-screen by a vocal effect substantially identical to that used in the Lynch film. A user who knows Dune but not Heroes would instantly understand exactly what Eden's power was with that comparison. There is no reason why the comparison should not be included in the article. Otto4711 20:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Here is the offending text: The power is quite similar to "The Voice" employed by the Bene Gesserit of the Dune series of novels. The vocal effect that accompanied its use was very like that used in David Lynch's film version of the first novel.
Another problem with the comparison is that it's hard to compare written descriptions of sound events with those actual sound events in recorded medium. IIRC, the book describes the Voice not so much as an otherworldly distortion effect as oddly inflected, the use of stresses and tones to affect the unconscious mind of the listener. People advocating this comparison even make the comparison to the movie version, not the book itself. Therefore statistics on the popularity of the novel are moot. In movies, it's a common device to distort voices which have unusual effects, be they mind control/suggestion or other psionic or magical effects. Applejuicefool 17:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that Sylar's voice was backed up with an echo in the episode "Distraction" while he was in Claire's house. No one else on the show has demonstrated an echo besides Eden, so I believe we have reason to believe he may have absorbed her powers anyways. Any information on this anywhere? I seem to either have been the only one to notice this, or it's in my head (which is why I didn't add the possibility of him gaining her powers into the main page yet).
Pritchard 08:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe Eden should be removed from recurring characters for two reasons. One, she is dead- she has been for about half the season. Two, she wasn't that important, she helped Isaac escape and then let died when she tried to save Sylar. There are definately better characters that could go there; Linderman or Zach for instance. User:BioYu-Gi!
I think this page should be merged into the List of Heroes characters with special abilities page because Eden was NEVER that significant to the plot, and it doesn't look like she's going to become significant now that she's been dead for several months (according to the show's timeline). The no erz ( talk) 04:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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The voice, along with the way it is portrayed, is a total copy of the original Dune. Just wanted to point that out.-- Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 06:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Please use this talk page only for discussing improvements to the article. You can go to a fan forum on another site to discuss complaints about the show. Primogen 18:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the proper name for Eden's power, based on what we know at this point? We know that she can influence the actions of others, but she could also (apparently) put Sylar to sleep and (according to the graphic novlel) cause her mother's heart to stop beating. I've seen various editors use the terms mind control, power of suggestion, and power of persuasion. Is there one that is the most accurate descriptor? Primogen 21:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The description last modified by User:Primogen is good (current) description of her power, and needs no more major rewording or revisions at this time, IMO. BTW, she did actually issue a command to die in the graphic novel- it was NOT a suggestion, as I noted earlier. -- Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 05:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
On Sylar's page it's indicated that Eden turned the gun on herself to prevent him from acquiring her abilities. This is also the general consensus on the TWOP forum for this episode. I think this should be reflected in Eden's article but I don't want to get into an edit war with someone who interpreted the events differently. Ozmodiar.x 04:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Since Sylar would not benifit from Eden shooting herself, and Sylar was not the one shot since he is fine in the previews, we can safely assume that Eden shot herself to make sure Sylar wouldn't get her powers. -- Piemanmoo 07:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
The graphic novel states that Eden shot and killed herself. Hopefully that is enough to prevent an edit war. Trevor 17:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Sylar kills others by removing their brain, so Eden shooting herself would not harm what he intends right? Bio 21:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I added a couple of sentences comparing Eden's powers to those of the Bene Gesserit of Dune. Clearly based on the comments on this page I'm not the only one who sees the similarity. An anon editor deleted it, saying it was "unneccesary." As a rationale that is impermissibly POV. Next s/he deleted it saying it's a violation of Wikipedia policy. When asked to cite the policy, s/he did not.
The comparison between the two is very useful to those who are familiar with Dune, either through the novels, the David Lynch film or the Sci Fi Channel mini-series. While I have no cite I find it hard to believe that it's coincidental that Eden's powers are denoted on-screen by a vocal effect substantially identical to that used in the Lynch film. A user who knows Dune but not Heroes would instantly understand exactly what Eden's power was with that comparison. There is no reason why the comparison should not be included in the article. Otto4711 20:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Here is the offending text: The power is quite similar to "The Voice" employed by the Bene Gesserit of the Dune series of novels. The vocal effect that accompanied its use was very like that used in David Lynch's film version of the first novel.
Another problem with the comparison is that it's hard to compare written descriptions of sound events with those actual sound events in recorded medium. IIRC, the book describes the Voice not so much as an otherworldly distortion effect as oddly inflected, the use of stresses and tones to affect the unconscious mind of the listener. People advocating this comparison even make the comparison to the movie version, not the book itself. Therefore statistics on the popularity of the novel are moot. In movies, it's a common device to distort voices which have unusual effects, be they mind control/suggestion or other psionic or magical effects. Applejuicefool 17:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that Sylar's voice was backed up with an echo in the episode "Distraction" while he was in Claire's house. No one else on the show has demonstrated an echo besides Eden, so I believe we have reason to believe he may have absorbed her powers anyways. Any information on this anywhere? I seem to either have been the only one to notice this, or it's in my head (which is why I didn't add the possibility of him gaining her powers into the main page yet).
Pritchard 08:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe Eden should be removed from recurring characters for two reasons. One, she is dead- she has been for about half the season. Two, she wasn't that important, she helped Isaac escape and then let died when she tried to save Sylar. There are definately better characters that could go there; Linderman or Zach for instance. User:BioYu-Gi!
I think this page should be merged into the List of Heroes characters with special abilities page because Eden was NEVER that significant to the plot, and it doesn't look like she's going to become significant now that she's been dead for several months (according to the show's timeline). The no erz ( talk) 04:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)